Talk:Death and funeral of Constantine II of Greece

Thanks

@Matthijs1808: Hey, thanks for your contributions to this article! Hopefully we can expand it together as we get more information on the funerals, its guests and more worldwide reactions. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 08:50, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, thank you for fixing my less handy Wikipedia work whenever i might make it look a bit messy, im keeping an eye on twitter also to see if more Royal families comment, we also have no official statement from the Greek royal family or announcement of his death. Matthijs1808 (talk) 08:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

No problem! Thanks for anything that you do for me. Yes, me too... Hopefully we will hear something from them soon. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 08:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

So i tried to find a picture of the hospital to add to the article sadly Wiki commons has none and i have no good idea how to add one. Matthijs1808 (talk) 09:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

It would be handy if we had one. Sadly I'm not in Greece, so I can't take a photo myself, haha! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

same issue here haha Matthijs1808 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm also watching out for British royal statements due to, not only the blood connection, but also the fact that Constantine is William's Godfather and William is one of Constantine's children's Godfather. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:12, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Same for me, as a Dutchmen im watching the Dutch Royal Family, since he is also the Godfather of Prince Constantijn of the Netherlands who is the youngest brother of the current King and 4th in the line of succesion.

He hence also knew the still living former Queen Beatrix. Matthijs1808 (talk) 09:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Ah, right. Royal family trees; the gift that keeps on giving! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Its always interesting, btw you think we shoudl mention beside his role as (former) king and head of his house his Golden medal at the 1960 Olympic games? Matthijs1808 (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I was thinking about that, as well as his Danish titles, however I am worried it will be removed as it doesn't have anything to do with his death or funeral, but rather with him. So up to you really. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 09:33, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

had the same worry actually Matthijs1808 (talk) 09:35, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

I have added the guest list to be filled in as it is announced, for now his family wich we can estimate to be there. for Queen Sofia i was unsure where to add her. Matthijs1808 (talk) 10:38, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Funeral Guests

I expect members of the british and danish royal family to attend. 84.167.80.80 (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

So do i but without it official we cant add it. Matthijs1808 (talk) 15:38, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Richiepipis there a confirming source on the attendance of the King and Queen of Sweden yet? Matthijs1808 (talk) 17:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Matthijs1808 it is on their official calendar, as this webpage will change I was waiting for a news article about their attendance to cite. Richiepip (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Richiepip alright I had not found it but might have been looking wrong, maybe add it as a source Matthijs1808 (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

There should be no flags, for the members of the former Greek royal family. The Kingdom of Greece ceased to exist in 1973. GoodDay (talk) 10:50, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

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Flagicons in Non-reigning royals section

Recently, there was an RFC on Talk:List of dignitaries at the state funeral of Elizabeth II#RFC: Flag icons on Members of non-reigning royal houses that decided against using flagicons for members of non-reigning royal families, with one of the arguments being that since they are not ruling, they are not representing a country. Does that logic apply to this page as well? 2601:249:9301:D570:CD6C:834:267F:2D59 (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

It does apply here & there's no need to have another RFC on this. The kingdoms of France, Romania, Serbia etc, haven't existed for decades & more. GoodDay (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

The previously contested edit was in the funeral guests section. The RFC was essentially asking if they should be included there.2601:249:9301:D570:CD6C:834:267F:2D59 (talk) 01:47, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding me. The RFC you mentioned applies to this page. The former royals should not have flags. GoodDay (talk) 02:34, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I was saying that you only removed the flags from the reaction section, not the funeral guest section, which is where the dispute started. 2601:249:9301:D570:CD6C:834:267F:2D59 (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I removed them all now. GoodDay (talk) 03:22, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm not here to argue anything, but shouldn't at least the Kingdom of Greece flag remain? The whole article is about the final king of that state... - Therealscorp1an (talk) 03:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I'd say no, as the Kingdom of Greece no longer exists. The Greek government isn't even going to give Constantine II a state funeral, even though he's a former Greek head of state. GoodDay (talk) 06:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@GoodDay yet the reason there is a article about him and so many heads of state attend is the fact he was King of the Kingdom of Greece. the fact that the Greek government shows the amount of disrespect they do doesn't take away he led a nation and the flag of that nation should not be banned.

ofcourse my personal view is that taking the flags away for non reigning houses is petty in itself and they should have them or at least the flag of the Kingdom they used to rule, like Greece where the flag is different form the one used today. Matthijs1808 (talk) 17:26, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't matter 'why' the Greek people chose to abolish the monarchy, confirming the move made by the military government. What matters is 'they' chose to remain a republic. The Kingdom of Greece ended in 1973. GoodDay (talk) 19:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand why it is such a big deal if the flags (of which their royal families REPRESENT) remain in the article. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 21:08, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

So it is about making sure republicanism is represented? This is a Royal funeral of a head of state of a nog longer existing nation. This nation had a different flag from it successor and thus there should be no problem in using it and even if it had been the same as with other monarchs attending but non-reigning they are former rulers of a nation and thus there is nothing wrong. Its seems to me like a anti monarchism messure more then a sensible one.

A former President in the US can be voted out of office after a term but they also get the flag since they where head of state. Matthijs1808 (talk) 07:21, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

In the case of the US, the polity they led is still extant, which is different from the case of abolished monarchies. Losing an election is different from the form of government being completely overhauled.2601:249:9301:D570:E902:46B:D28:AC6A (talk) 15:20, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Funeral section

At the moment, the funeral section is in future tense, but once the funeral has occurred today, it will all need to be converted to past tense. I plan on doing this and splitting it into different subheadings, like in the Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II article. These subheadings will be Planning, Lying-in-state, Funeral and Burial. I request that no one converts the funeral section before I do. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:13, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Images

Anyone have some images or photos that we can put in the article to decorate it? It's a bit bland at the moment. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm calling @Matthijs1808, GoodDay, Richiepip, and Keivan.f:, who have all contributed quite a bit to this article, to ask if any of you have/can help with uploading photos for this article. More particularly, I think it would be great if we could get a photo of the processional, a photo of the priests at the front of the church and a photo of all the foreign monarchs sitting in row together during the ceremony. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 10:36, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I've no photos. GoodDay (talk) 15:02, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Flag repetition

Do we really need to have repetitive flags? One flag will do for the Spanish royal family, the Greek government members, etc. GoodDay (talk) 00:49, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

I would say so as it helps people identify where they are from, especially if it just says "Princess X". - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:55, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

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Prince William

Regarding the mention in the dignitaries section, mentions of controversy seem to be outside the scope of the section. 2601:249:9301:D570:B87F:DD59:2BF2:9E76 (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2023 (UTC)