Talk:Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

First MCU film with F bomb uncensored

See what you can add from here: https://screenrant.com/guardians-galaxy-mcu-movie-trend-cursing-james-gunn/ Kailash29792 (talk) 06:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Kailash29792 I do not think this is notable. Let us see what others say about this before adding it for consensus. Centcom08 (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Nonetheless I have added it with a different source as the word is not censored there. This is notable as Gunn talks about it here. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Post-world premiere reactions

So a lot of reactions after GOTG3's premiere on the 22nd have landed on the internet. I know we don't usually put out reactions to a movie until at least 3 days before the film's release, but maybe we should consider making a "Post-World Premiere Reception" section where all of the reactions after the premiere should be added? I think that'd be kinda cool, but before I add it or someone else potentially does, I gotta make sure that it's something we're able to add. :) 72.213.40.101 (talk) 17:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

WP:FILMRELEASE

Starting this discussion to avoid an edit war. An editor misunderstood WP:FILMRELEASE, stating that the film's earliest release in the hyperlink are the countries that would have an early public release ahead of May 5 release in the United States. The editor missed the statement whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, which the article has (April 22, 2023, at Disneyland Paris). So, the May 3 should not be in the article anymore because the next release date in the article is the one from the country that produced the film (May 5, 2023, in the United States). Centcom08 (talk) 10:07, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Centcom08: Today was released in the UK. So you wrong. Mike210381 (talk) 10:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mike210381 May 3 is not the earliest release date of the film, as per the guideline. But since it was released in an English-speaking country then we can add the United Kingdom info in the main body, not in the template. Centcom08 (talk) 10:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Template:Infobox_film#Release_dates says, "Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film". Does this mean that when the "public release" date and "the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film" are different, the earliest "public release" date should not be added to the infobox? The "public release" date of the film is 3 May, because it is on 3 May that it is released in many countries including the UK, South Korea, and Japan (I added the information with footnotes, but it was removed by this edit).

Furthermore, I am not sure why the explanation in Template:Infobox_film#Release_dates should be applied to the "Release" section. Indeed the infobox is too small and we should avoid making a long list. However, is the fact that a big budget film receive a public release in many areas earlier than "the country or countries that produced the film" notable and worth mentioning in the "Release" section? --saebou (talk) 10:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@さえぼー The guideline clearly says film's earliest release date whether that earliest release date happened at a world premiere, at a film festival, or just a public release date. When is the earliest release date of the film? It's April 22, 2023. Is that date the public release date of the film? No, it is the world premiere, which took place at Disneyland Paris. That is what the statement Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release means.

This is my final reply for the concern about the film's release date in the infobox because I feel that there is a language barrier happening. I am not confident in explaining the statement's sentence structure and/or the conjunction or. I hope members of WP:MCU will take a look on this to either help with explaining the guideline or correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you. Centcom08 (talk) 10:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The infobox and lede should only include the film's earliest release (such as premiere) and the release in the country in which it was produced. Other releases for festivals, additional premieres, and international releases can be noted in the Release section, per Black Widow (2021 film) and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, which include other notable premieres and/or UK international date. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

So, it means that the public release date cannot be added to the infobox in this case, but can be added to the "Release section". I will restore the information about the release dates, which was removed, to the section. --saebou (talk) 02:58, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@さえぼー: But may I ask what's the rationale of determining which Asian countries are to be included? Because Taiwan and Hong Kong had also released the film on May 3, is it noteworthy to include these places too?-Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 03:40, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think these regions should be mentioned in the "Release" section, but I could not find proper references other than IMDb (I only added the areas about which the recent media coverage of the release dates are available online). If you find good references, please add the information. --saebou (talk) 03:49, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:FILMRELEASE states the release info should be reserved for the earliest release in the home country and the premiere, and that the exhaustive IMDb-esque listing of multiple release dates in countries is not necessary, let alone not notable as it is not a film made in those international countries. From what I have seen for those articles, a typical UK date before the US one is included, whereas the others are not unless they are notably not released, see Multiverse of Madness, Shang-Chi, Eternals, etc. Every major region it is released in will be covered in Box office once those figures are available. This is how film articles are handled, and we're not going to try and change precedent without any basis or rationale for including these other countries' release. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

If an article about an American film can include "a typical UK date before the US" but cannot include release dates in non-English speaking regions although it receives the earlist public release in these regions, I would say that it is contrary to NPOV, as discussed in Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Anglo-American_focus.

So, aside from teh NPOV issue, do you think it is fine to write "It was released in some countries including the UK on May 3, 2023, two days before the official release in North America." with references in the "Release" section? --saebou (talk) 04:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I never said it "cannot include release dates in non-English speaking regions", I merely said what has been common across other MCU film articles. With all due respect to NPOV, not every international release is necessary to convey the release information of this American film, as again, listing multiple regions with the same release date is not the goal here, it's to convey what is the earliest release. If one can provide a reliable third-party source detailing the film released in several international regions on May 3, then something along those lines can be introduced in the article, such as The film was released in several countries including the United Kingdom on May 3, 2023, and in the United States on May 5, or we just do without noting any specific regional location for the May 3rd date. I would not use the "official release" wording as all release dates here are official. Trailblazer101 (talk) 08:19, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, so if we can agree on this point, I will add "The film was released in several countries including the United Kingdom on May 3, 2023, and in the United States on May 5". --saebou (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I added the abovementioned sentence. --saebou (talk) 14:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Budget

Is https://www.cbr.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-box-office-tracking/ a good source for the $250 million budget? 87.9.130.196 (talk) 10:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Also https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/james-gunn-created-600-versions-213624614.html and https://screenrant.com/how-much-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-cost-to-make/ are they reliable? --87.9.130.196 (talk) 10:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't see why Yahoo wouldn't be a reliable source.Wikieditor9117 (talk) 15:24, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Yahoo aggregates both its own content and third-party sources. This article in particular is from Hypebeast, not Yahoo. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:57, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The Numbers has the budget at $250M. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)#tab=summaryWikieditor9117 (talk) 18:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Plot

A number of people have started giving the plot. This is clearly against the rule that plot should be shown once the movie releases in the home country. Someone please take action and also increase protections and edit allowance only for long time editors. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Moreover, regarding above comments. There were world priemeres for other movies but the plot was not revealed until the official realese in the home country JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 13:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I have not seen or been aware of any guideline that restricts a film's plot from being included before its production country release. The US typically gets films released a couple days after international regions do. Some from the US, like myself, are in unique situations (through my movie theater employment) of being able to see some films a couple days before the US release (which for this begins Thursdays in the afternoon, as with almost any major blockbuster). I, myself, will be seeing it very late tonight. Since the film has started releasing in theaters across the world, I see no reason why the plot can't be included now. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED for WP:SPOILERS. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

There is no rule that plot should be shown once the movie releases in the home country. In accordance with WP:SPOILER, the plot section can be added at any time once a film has been released. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Include The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special in the lead paragraph?

GOTG V3 is set some time after The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special. Should it be included in the opening paragraph or not? Edwordo13 (talk) 13:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Fair question. But then you should also mention Avengers : Endgame somewhere in the lead section, I think. The current version that has them both mentioned in notes a and b in the Plot section seems OK but adding them there may not be a bad idea. — MY, OH, MY! 14:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm probably gonna wait for more feedback to see what everyone else thinks. Edwordo13 (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Reviews in the LS

Also in the Lead, if reviews are mentioned at all, you cannot say they are generally positive. That would not be a fair picture.— MY, OH, MY! 14:51, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

@LancedSoul: I see you reverted the rather good version by @Kenam William:. See the Critical Response section: it's not just "generally positive"" ... we are supposed to reflect that in the intro, if mentioning the reviews at all. The version before your revert seemed quite balanced and it did not need a source there; sources are in the article below. I won"t delete nor revert nor add anything, but I think your version, although meant in absolute good faith, is less accurate. I am not directing you to guidelines etc. either, as you certainly don"t need me to do so, but please consider improving the current general assessment of critical response by a more nuanced phrasing that will prove less deceiving in the end. Best, — MY, OH, MY! 21:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Per Variety, the budget for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is $200 million, not $250 million as The Numbers reports

Per Variety, the budget for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is $200 million, not $250 million as The Numbers reports: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/box-office-guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-opening-weekend-projection-1235600984/.

Can we add this into the film's wiki page? Please? 2603:301B:1B01:8140:68A5:9921:A44A:549C (talk) 17:46, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

The article says $200 million-plus, not 200--87.9.130.196 (talk) 18:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

"Emotional weight"

Please link to sources that praise the film's "emotional weight", in those terms.

Better yet, define "emotional weight". This nonsensical term has spread all over the encyclopedia for no reason. Toa Nidhiki05 00:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Music

Considering that all the other Guardians of the Galaxy movies have a dedicated page for their soundtracks and scores, I feel like this could be done to avoid clutter on the main movie page, as it takes up some a noticeable amount of the page. Just having the text prior to the tracklists is enough, I'd say. So yeah. Maybe make another page and move that there. Sky.chicken05 (talk) 00:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

PETA and Guardians 3 dipiction of animal cruelty

https://www.peta.org/blog/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3/ Titled "‘Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3’ Has a Powerful Message About Animal Testing"

This article acknowledges the subject of animal cruelty, testing and experimentation in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 and I thought it's notable to include that PETA has has put out a piece. I note the praise given to the movie for its "compassionate" showcasing of animal cruelty and the apparent accuracy of its depiction of animal experimentation in comparison to how real animals are treated. FLStyle (talk) 13:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)