Talk:Naoto Shirogane: Difference between revisions
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Now, my argument is that, since Naoto is not an LGBT character herself in the story (although I'd argue that one can only definitively say that if there's a Word of God comment from Hashino, even if the text of P4 makes it fairly clear), but her notability is primarily due to the interpretation of her as LGBT and criticism for the use of LGBT themes in her character, she would be of relevance to people interested in the subject of LGBT and video games. - [[User:Cukie Gherkin|Cukie Gherkin]] ([[User talk:Cukie Gherkin|talk]]) 19:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
Now, my argument is that, since Naoto is not an LGBT character herself in the story (although I'd argue that one can only definitively say that if there's a Word of God comment from Hashino, even if the text of P4 makes it fairly clear), but her notability is primarily due to the interpretation of her as LGBT and criticism for the use of LGBT themes in her character, she would be of relevance to people interested in the subject of LGBT and video games. - [[User:Cukie Gherkin|Cukie Gherkin]] ([[User talk:Cukie Gherkin|talk]]) 19:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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I feel there is way too much weight given to the notion of Naoto being trans, at least consensus wise. While it is true some have thought of her as such at first, you'll find most support her story arc of being a gender non-conforming woman. Additionally, the sources given in the article to support her being trans have been addressed by many as inaccurate and bad-faith readings of the character. |
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The addition to the 'LGBT' section is a particularly dumb change. It seems like a few editors want her to be deemed an 'LGBT character' but this was the closest way they could get to that. In that case, would Chie and Yosuke or Yukiko be under that category given how a few have seen their portrayals? |
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We can address the transgender criticism but I feel it shouldn't overshadow the article which should instead lean more neutral overall or at least to the main consensus. The idea of her being seen as 'overwhelmingly trans' just because of a few internet blogs and journalist opinion pieces is a bit much. [[Special:Contributions/2603:7080:A5F0:8C50:C554:4FD5:5872:7BFA|2603:7080:A5F0:8C50:C554:4FD5:5872:7BFA]] ([[User talk:2603:7080:A5F0:8C50:C554:4FD5:5872:7BFA|talk]]) 19:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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LGBT and video games category
An IP user has disputed the inclusion of this category, arguing two points (they may correct me if I am wrong):
- The fact that Naoto is not herself LGBT in canon should be disqualifying; and
- The fact that she is the only character in this specific category stands out as wrong.
Now, my argument is that, since Naoto is not an LGBT character herself in the story (although I'd argue that one can only definitively say that if there's a Word of God comment from Hashino, even if the text of P4 makes it fairly clear), but her notability is primarily due to the interpretation of her as LGBT and criticism for the use of LGBT themes in her character, she would be of relevance to people interested in the subject of LGBT and video games. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Naoto criticism section
I feel there is way too much weight given to the notion of Naoto being trans, at least consensus wise. While it is true some have thought of her as such at first, you'll find most support her story arc of being a gender non-conforming woman. Additionally, the sources given in the article to support her being trans have been addressed by many as inaccurate and bad-faith readings of the character.
The addition to the 'LGBT' section is a particularly dumb change. It seems like a few editors want her to be deemed an 'LGBT character' but this was the closest way they could get to that. In that case, would Chie and Yosuke or Yukiko be under that category given how a few have seen their portrayals?
We can address the transgender criticism but I feel it shouldn't overshadow the article which should instead lean more neutral overall or at least to the main consensus. The idea of her being seen as 'overwhelmingly trans' just because of a few internet blogs and journalist opinion pieces is a bit much. 2603:7080:A5F0:8C50:C554:4FD5:5872:7BFA (talk) 19:16, 18 July 2023 (UTC)