Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television

ShowBuzzDaily closing for good

Per their website, ShowBuzzDaily is no longer providing TV ratings with their last report being June 29. TV by the Numbers went and now ShowBuzzDaily; so the question begs what source do we use for our TV ratings? Though if you read their article, it does speak of the larger issue of the importance (or lack of) of linear TV viewership, and I think it's a good idea if we (Wikipedia) should have a larger discussion of whether we should even continue to add live viewership ratings to episode tables and completely eliminate reporting on 18-49 demo numbers. Here's a blurb from the article they posted: ..."the bottom has dropped out of linear viewership, and the ratings have had increasingly less utility. (Last Thursday’s cable ratings in the 18-49 demo included 25 shows clustered between 0.09-0.12, basically molecules of difference.) The balance of home viewing, for better or worse, has swung toward streaming, and the proprietors of those companies have chosen to be opaque with their information, providing data that’s incomplete and unverified when it’s available at all." Thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 11:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Hmm. Considering so many shows are on streaming services now, is it even worth adding live viewership ratings? Historyday01 (talk) 14:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's any merit anymore to viewership being added. However, here's where the problem comes it: there still is a benefit to series pre-201X (2010? 2012?) when live and DVR ratings were still large, to have that information listed. So we shouldn't, say, remove the columns from the episode table. But what we should do, is determine maybe TV season as "caps" for when featuring rating data should or shouldn't be featured. So definitely I think starting with the 2023–24 United States network television schedule, no new or returning series should feature ratings data. Then it's a matter of what that "middle" range is for when it could maybe be featured still or could outright removed (is that 2016-17? 2018-19? Definitely somewhere in that range I feel. Or maybe the year TVByTheNumbers went down?). And finally, stating anything pre that middle range of questionability likely should feature ratings. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:32, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

If linear ratings are identified as such then I don’t have an issue with including them going forward. The problem is that these ratings are often just identified as “viewers” with no indication to the reader that they represent only same-day linear viewership. Fix that, and I still think something is better than nothing. Heartfox (talk) 16:08, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Could TV Series Finale serve as a replacement source? They seem to do a good job of covering at least network ratings. RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Programming Insider is still here. — YoungForever^(talk) 02:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm probably guilty myself of claiming from personal opinion that linear ratings are a poor measure of success or wide audience (and even historically there's huge sampling issues). However: do we actually have reliable sources that say that linear ratings are no longer used in the industry? If it's still the case that execs (however out of touch) are recommissioning shows based on these ratings then I wouldn't like to abandon them altogether.

I agree with Favre1fan93 that, even if we conclude ratings are no longer a good metric, they were in the past and so it will be important to preserve the historical record. — Bilorv (talk) 11:06, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Primos (TV series)

You are invited to join a discussion at Talk:Primos (TV series)#Controversy section about how much emphasis to put onto the "controversy" surrounding the series' following release of its opening sequence on social media and YouTube. This WikiProject received this message because Primos is an animated series, airing on a streaming television service, Disney+ and on Disney Channel. Comments would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 02:40, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Number of episodes

Regarding the template {{Infobox television}}, I started a discussion at Template talk:Infobox television § Number of episodes about changing the criteria for that parameter. Editors are invited to comment. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Characters

This WikiProject has quite the problem with fictional character articles that are entirely plot, with no notability. A good comparison here would be with WP:VG, which has mostly dealt with the problem by now. Does anyone here have an opinion on what to do about it? QuicoleJR (talk) 17:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I know there have been some discussions at WP:FILM about this topic which probably apply here as well. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm having trouble finding them. If you don't mind, could you give me a couple links? QuicoleJR (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

I think this is the main discussion I was thinking of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Archive 81#Useless superhero character articles. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Dispute over studios credited in Nimona (film)

A discussion is ongoing at Talk:Nimona (film)#Studio dispute over the studios credited for this animated film. Some want to credit only Annapurna Pictures (who produced it after it was revived), while others wish to credit Blue Sky Studios, 20th Century Studios, and Vertigo Entertainment, with the latter three producing it before it was cancelled, along with Annapurna. Comments from members of this WikiProject would be appreciated. Historyday01 (talk) 14:10, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Todd Herzog nominated for deletion

The article about Todd Herzog, the Survivor: China, has been nominated for deletion. Please send your inputs there at the nomination page. Thanks. George Ho (talk) 02:25, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Draft for article on teen drama

Hi everyone, I've created a draft for an article about the teen drama genre. There are no sources at the moment but those will be added later. I have a bit of a dilemma in regards to the origins of the genre; a quick look at Google Books has some authors claiming Beverly Hills, 90210 to have pioneered the genre while other authors posit Degrassi Junior High instead, usually while arguing against the US-centric nature of discussion about the genre. There's no clear consensus. How do I go about this? Do I add the fact there are multiple perspectives on this matter, or does that statement need to be sourced in itself? ToQ100gou (talk) 12:46, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

New WikiProject idea

I am interested in starting WikiProject Singing talent shows. This would encompass all competitions broadcast on television where the focus is singing. This project would help to bring uniformity to all pages that will fall under its care, as well as curate the history of such contests. Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ktkvtsh: most WikiProjects fail to attract a community around them. The main points of a WikiProject are to encourage information sharing and collaborative editing. Have you found other editors who are interested in collaborating on your project? — Bilorv (talk) 11:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

List of Toon In with Me episodes

The page List of Toon In with Me episodes is not rendering completely. The size of the page is too large after template expansion. My suggestion is to split the page into separate pages for each year of the show. DCEdwards¹⁹⁶⁶ 03:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)