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Fascist sympathies

Given Utkin's SS tattoos, a section explaining his fascist sympathies should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14C:8380:DD90:D4C8:452C:607A:9BFD (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Given this article is potentially embarassing to the Russian government, and the amount of edits, I have requested protection. 80.200.124.19 (talk) 11:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who cares if it makes Russia look stupid? They have no say or standing in anything whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:1B80:2530:D004:DDFF:C110:2907 (talk) 16:51, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve checked and this photo isn’t confirmed to be him. The most there is linking it to him is by using a known passport photo and taking AI to see facial similarities which skimmed a probability hit. The passport photo is confirmed and available however. I would also refrain from calling him a neo-Nazi or at least add the word suspected or highlight possible tendencies. Biased article otherwise. Zagreus99 (talk) 19:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's just another MI6 or CIA-authored article at Wikpedia. What would be the point of attempting to edit it for accuracy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:2F8:1F:355:8C85:FFCC:3EE8:3582 (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove "Utkin hasn't been since 2016."

This sentence is incomplete Sander makes no sense. Nitroba (talk) 13:06, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nitroba: I've reworded the sentence to say "made any public appearances" to correspond to the Foreign Policy source. Please let me know if there are still issues. ~~ lol1VNIO⁠👻 (I made a mistake? talk to me) 14:30, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth

Ignoring everything else about the guy, but this page claims he was born in Kirovohrad Oblast of the Ukrainian SSR, meanwhile the Russian, Ukrainian and German pages claim he's born in Asbest, RF (then RSFSR). These are the only pages I checked, but it honestly seems really out of place for him to be born in Central Ukraine, considering Kirovohrad is majority Ukrainian. WhisperFear98 (talk) 19:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked other languages, French, Polish all mention Asbest as well (Dutch says Smoline), clearly there should be a source for this, maybe it's even a misinformation campaign to pretend he's Ukrainian? Vhvbe (talk) 09:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto. I'm also trying to find a verifiable source which claims he was born in Ukrainian. The Voice of American (voanews.com) source cited on that sentence has no mention of his birthplace. eyeCommented (talk) 09:03, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death

[1]https://t.me/mig41/28549 Errora 404 (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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death : 23 August 2023 197.238.138.42 (talk) 17:36, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The following sentence seems to lack a "not":

Utkin did made any public appearances from 2016 until his death.

and probably should be changed to:

Utkin did not make any public appearances from 2016 until his death.

Jenom (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Death?

The Tver crash is yet to be verified. Nobody actually knows if the persons including Yevgeny Prigozhin on that flight are dead as of now. The header does not list a death date, but there is a clarifier saying he died. Rather like the Yevgeny Prigozhin page, the clarified should state that he is presumed dead. MetricPin (talk) 18:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unconfirmed death reports

Utkin is rumored to have been amongst the people killed in the Tver plane crash alongside Prigozhin and others. Shouldn't something about these rumors be added into the article? Racos345 (talk) 18:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 The Tver crash is yet to be verified. Nobody actually knows if the persons including Yevgeny Prigozhin on that flight are dead as of now. The header does not list a death date, but there is a clarifier saying he died. Rather like the Yevgeny Prigozhin page, the clarified should state that he is ''presumed'' dead. [[User:MetricPin|MetricPin]] ([[User talk:MetricPin|talk]]) 18:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
+== Unconfirmed death reports  ==
+Utkin is rumored to have been amongst the people killed in the Tver plane crash alongside Prigozhin and others. Shouldn't something about these rumors be added into the article? [[User:Racos345|Racos345]] ([[User talk:Racos345|talk]]) 18:16, 23 August 2023 (UTC)