Talk:2024 missile strikes in Yemen

Houthis only targetting Israeli connected ships and denying targeting anyone else.

I think this element should be mentioned, as well as what their demands are, in order to stop the targetting. Other ships unrelated have been able to traverse the area unaffected. The Houthis also put out a statement accusing the UAE of trying to create false flags trying to pay other groups in Yemen to attack ships unrelated to Yemen, to serve as a casus belli. Midgetman433 (talk) 01:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

"Houthis only targetting Israeli connected ships and denying targeting anyone else. Other ships unrelated have been able to traverse the area unaffected" This is contradicted by several sources, including. the U.S. 5th Fleet which said at least a dozen of these ships were not linked to Israel.[1] On top of this, other sources have confirmed this to be the case. [2][3][4] [5]Sciophobiaranger (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

yeah like I said, the Houthis are denying they hit other ships, the U.S. isn't necessarily a nuetral party and their words should not be taken as gospel as complete fact, b/c they have a vested interest in trying to establish a casus belli against the Houthis. Houthis claimed UAE was trying to get other groups in yemen to attack non Israeli ships.

Here is the Houthi statement on the matter.

https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/18222 Midgetman433 (talk) 03:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Houthi statements are not the ultimate source of truth. Plus, was any of the ships they hit even registered in Israel? Plex (talk) 08:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Registration doesnt necessarily imply ownership, in this other article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Red_Sea_crisis?wprov=sfti1# all the attacked ships are detailed and i think a few are property of wealthy israelis or related to israel Dreth1 (talk) 08:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

the Houthi perspective should be included in the article for completion purposes, it is informative Dreth1 (talk) 08:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Yemen is not "Houthi-held"

better to say Houthi-controlled area of Yemen

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2024_Yemeni_airstrikes&diff=prev&oldid=1195070841

soibangla (talk) 05:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Houthi held is correct Abo Yemen✉ 06:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

This assertion is based on what argumentation/sources? Plex (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

every source in this article Abo Yemen✉ 08:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

"The Houthi is a militia group backed by Iran"

is supported by CNN and NYT:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/11/politics/us-strikes-houthis-yemen/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/11/us/politics/us-houthi-missile-strikes.html

regardless of denials by Houthis and Iran, Abo Yemen

soibangla (talk) 06:36, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

also BBC, ABC, AP...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67614911

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-retaliates-iranian-backed-houthi-militants-yemen/story?id=106300275

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-and-british-militaries-launch-massive-retaliatory-strike-against-iranian-backed-houthis-in-yemen

we must go with what reliable sources say, Abo Yemen. please restore the sentence. soibangla (talk) 06:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Someone fixed it already Abo Yemen✉ 07:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The mainstream Western media is being deliberately misleading to promote American propaganda. The Houthis are not a rag-tag band of renegades. They are the government of North Yemen, and have been for several years. They are not "backed" by Iran, they are allied with Iran. 217.180.228.138 (talk) 16:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

U.S. Air Forces Central statement

@Soibangla, it's not written in the best way, but I don't believe the numbers in the Air Forces Central announcement are meant include the UK/coalition bombs.

At the direction of U.S. Central Command, U.S. Air Forces Central, CENTCOM’s Joint & Combined Air Component Command, executed deliberate strikes on over 60 targets at 16 Iranian-backed Houthi militant locations...

Removing the explanatory clauses leaves us with the following:

U.S. Air Forces Central executed deliberate strikes on over 60 targets at 16 Iranian-backed Houthi militant locations...

Unless the UK planes are taking orders from CENTCOM, I don't believe the 60+, 16, and 100+ figures would comprise their strikes. Regards, SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 07:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

CNN:

US and coalition forces “executed deliberate strikes on over 60 targets at 16 Iranian-backed Houthi militant locations, including command and control nodes, munitions depots, launching systems, production facilities, and air defense radar systems,” according to a statement from US Air Forces Central Commander Lt. Gen. Alex Grynkewich. More than 100 precision-guided munitions “of various types” were used, he said.[6]

maybe the US Air Forces Central source should be removed because it's a primary source soibangla (talk) 07:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

new title

the strikes were fighter bombs and missiles soibangla (talk) 10:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ecrusized I recommend you restore the original title soibangla (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Airstrike, is defined by missiles launched from aircraft. The strike included cruise missiles launched from submarines, and destroyers. For a similar example, you can see April 2018 missile strikes against Syria. Ecrusized (talk) 11:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

but they were precision-guided bombs from fighters, plus Tomahawks from sea soibangla (talk) 11:22, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The attack is widely described as a missile strike, instead of an airstrike. Reuters, NBC, WaPo. Ecrusized (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I do not see those sources say exclusively "missile strike" soibangla (talk) 11:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Strike, is probably not alluding to a labor strike here... Ecrusized (talk) 11:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

we say "airstrike" first, later shortened to strike

whether from aircraft bombs or missiles from sea, both of which apply here soibangla (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

U.S. Strikes Houthi Targets in Yemen From Air, Surface and Subsurface USNI Ecrusized (talk) 11:40, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't see how that supports your argument. soibangla (talk) 11:46, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Airstrike is an offensive operation carried out by aircraft. Air strikes are delivered from aircraft such as blimps, balloons, fighter aircraft, attack aircraft, bombers, attack helicopters, and drones. With that I rest my case. Ecrusized (talk) 11:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

this was an airstrike by aircraft

and Tomahawks soibangla (talk) 11:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Avoiding Escalation

Given the increasing number of hostile actions taking place around the world right now, might not the article include a section on the clear and present danger of escalation? For has not the US Govt expressed concern about events getting out of control? 95.147.153.114 (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Page move request

2024 missile strikes against Yemen → 2024 missile strikes against the Houthi Movement The current title implies that these strikes are against the internationally recognised government of Yemen, the state described in the main article for Yemen, when this is not the case. This is like the US raiding a cartel compound in Mexico and the article being called 'US Raids against Mexico'. It is far more accurate and less misleading for readers to specify this is against the Houthi Movement rather than the country of Yemen most will think of. It also gives legitimacy to an unrecognised terrorist group. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

An alternative title could be '2024 missile strikes in Yemen', though this is a little vague PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

@PrecariousWorlds Yemen is mostly in control of Houthis, so attack against them would be "attack against Yemen", isn't it? Ayesha46 (talk) 12:58, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not mostly in control, it's a very contested situation and it would be inaccurate to for one group to represent everyone. Even so, it still is not internationally recognised as the Yemeni government. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:25, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

It is not Abo Yemen✉ 13:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

But is not this use of words very much out of 1984? With such 'logic', Israel is able to claim that - far from punishing the people of Gaza - it was only attacking Hamas. Then again, despite the stated target of the attack, the weapons did land within Yemem. In any normal understanding of terms, was not this an attack on the land of Yemen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.147.153.114 (talk) 12:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ignoring blatant POV, Wikipedia works on a policy of using the COMMONNAME in media sources for articles. In this case, both the countries involved in Prosperity Guardian and the resulting coverage of it has overwhelmingly stated that this is not an attack against the Yemeni government but a faction within Yemen. Refer back to my previous example. The strikes didn't in fact land in the controlled territory of Yemen referred to elsewhere on Wikipedia. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:31, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

In light of above discussion, I've moved to 2024 missile strikes in Yemen. I'll open up a formal RM to get wider participation below; my preferred title would be something like "2024 U.S.–U.K. joint missile strikes against Ansar Allah", but it's quite wordy. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:38, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 12 January 2024

2024 missile strikes in Yemen → ? – There seems to be a good bit of discussion about the page title, and there have been a good number of bold moves as new information comes in. I think having a formal RM here to generate new titles would be helpful in keeping this organized, so I'm opening an open-ended one here. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

My preferred title, for reasons of precision, would be 2024 U.S.–U.K. joint missile strikes against Ansar Allah. I agree that it's wordy (though surely these are not the only missile strikes that have occurred in Yemen this year), and Ansar Allah is not the most frequently used name in English, but it seems a bit more natural to use the name of the group on the receiving end of the strikes rather than the vague "Houthi movement", which includes a lot of civil society groups under its umbrella. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 14:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose 2024 U.S.–U.K. joint missile strikes against Ansar Allah. Far too long. Based on similar incidents in the past, I would say either stick with the current title, or call it 2024 bombing of Yemen. Some examples in the past:

• 1986 United States bombing of Libya
• 1998 bombing of Iraq
• NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
• April 2018 missile strikes against Syria

Ecrusized (talk) 15:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Since per article it involves US and UK, renaming to something like 2024 United States–United Kingdom missile strikes in Yemen would be unpalatably long. An alternative could be merging to Operation Prosperity Guardian. Brandmeister^talk 15:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  That's fair. I'm a bit unsatisfied with "missile strikes" as it currently is, since there were also airstrikes with precision-guided bombs (not missiles) that occurred, though I can't quite figure out a way to precisely phrase it. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 15:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  Some of the articles regarding Yemen should certainly be merged. There are now four articles, all roughly covering the same topic:

  • Houthi involvement in the Israel–Hamas war
  • Operation Prosperity Guardian
  • United States–Houthi conflict (2023–present)
  • 2024 missile strikes in Yemen

  Ecrusized (talk) 15:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I also noticed that. The United States–Houthi conflict and the missile strikes at least could be merged. Brandmeister^talk 16:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)