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Template:Infobox college sports team season: stadium capacity, field surface, multiple home stadiums

The infoboxes (Template:Infobox college sports team season) of many team season articles contain stadium capacity figures for the team's home stadium; see "(capacity: 106,572)" at 2023 Penn State Nittany Lions football team. A small number of articles also contain info in that field about the stadium playing surface material, e.g. grass, FieldTurf, etc; see 1950 Notre Dame Fighting Irish football team. Should we include this information in these infoboxes? If so, this info should be given its own dedicated fields. How about teams that had more than one home stadium, e.g. 1950 Alabama Crimson Tide football team? In addition to the stadium field, should we have stadium2 and stadium3, etc to be service this? Jweiss11 (talk) 19:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Would be good to get some feedback here from other editors. Pinging some of the regular who often work on team season article: Cbl62, Patriarca12, TheCatalyst31, UCO2009bluejay. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 18:21, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

I think we are entering WP:CRUFT territory. Yes the stadium should be listed, that is unequivical. I have added capacity to team seasons in the past. However, after working on many different professional articles, they do not include this information. If a reader is so inclined they should follow the link to the actual stadium. So No to turf/grass, and capacity. In regards to multiple home stadiums, I support inclusion for multiple home fields, provided we need a hard and fast rule about what counts as a "home stadium" Tulane in 2021 playing a game in Norman, should not count, OU/Texas in the Cotton Bowl should not count. Legion Field for historical Bama, War Memorial in Little Rock should count for Arkansas because they regularly hosted games for those programs. We need to find where that boundary is located.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 01:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Does anyone object to nuking all listings of stadium capacity and field surface in these infoboxes? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:37, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

No objection by me. Cbl62 (talk) 04:43, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Bot sweep?

@Primefac:: seems that we have a consensus to remove capacity and surface listings from the stadium field of Template:Infobox college sports team season. Do you think we could run a bot to sweep through all the instances of this infobox and make those removals? Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 04:15, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Sure, I'll set up some tracking categories to see about the size/scope of the changes. Primefac (talk) 12:55, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

I took care of ~4k pages that had "cap" in the |stadium= field. There will likely be outliers such as one listed above that used c., but without knowing all of the potential alternate options I am going to stick with these results for now. If you know of another common use case I am happy to adjust the tracking category. Primefac (talk) 12:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Primefac, thanks for running that bot. Yes, it would be helpful to remove the ones using the "c." I believe there are a few that just have the capacity figure in parentheses with no leading "c." or "capacity". There are also many that have capacity with a capital C, e.g. 1987 Michigan Wolverines football team. Jweiss11 (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

There were only 200, so I got those, but anything else is likely going to need manual cleanup as they'll be few and far between. Primefac (talk) 06:26, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

There were only 200 with the "c."? Can we have the bot get the ones with "Capacity" with a capital C? There are thousands of those, I believe. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Dammit, I forgot that the string find is case sensitive. I'll re-populate the tracking categories. Primefac (talk) 07:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay now we should be sorted. Primefac (talk) 08:38, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks for your help on this! Jweiss11 (talk) 19:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Primefac, the bot seems to have missed 1950 Ohio State Buckeyes football team and bunch of the other Ohio State years. Any idea why? Jweiss11 (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I suspect it's a caching issue, in that those pages did not end up in the category to be fixed. Primefac (talk) 08:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Delaware State season articles at AFD

You may be interested in the following deletion discussions on seasons of the Delaware State Hornets:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1924 Delaware State Hornets football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1925 Delaware State Hornets football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1926 Delaware State Hornets football team

BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I voted for a merge to Delaware State Hornets football, 1924–1929 for all. Henry Kendall Orange and Black football, 1895–1899 and Temple Owls football, 1894–1899 are good models for what this should look like. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

NCAA 2023 Record Books

Does anyone know where to find the 2023 edition of the NCAA record book? The 2022 one (through the end of the 2021 season) is linked most places, but I can't seem to find the 2023 edition. Most of the others have the same URL with the year changed, but no luck for 2023. 2022 record book glman (talk) 21:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

We have it cited at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS. The 2023 pdf doesn't have the year in the URL.

<ref name="NCAA2023">{{cite book |url=http://fs.ncaa.org.s3.amazonaws.com/Docs/stats/football_records/FBS.pdf |title=2023 NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records |publisher=[[National Collegiate Athletic Association]] |date=2023 |access-date=August 26, 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230826124459/http://fs.ncaa.org.s3.amazonaws.com/Docs/stats/football_records/FBS.pdf |archive-date=August 26, 2023 |url-status=unfit}}</ref>

PK-WIKI (talk) 22:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank so much! glman (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Are these navboxes really necessary?

Are the FCS playoff participant navboxes really necessary? Examples are found in Category:NCAA Division I FCS playoffs navigational boxes. Shouldn't a listing in a category such as Category:NCAA Division I FCS playoff participants by year be sufficient like it is for NCAA basketball tournament participants?- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Could be overkill. Maybe group TfD them? Jweiss11 (talk) 02:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@UCO2009bluejay: I created a number of the most recent ones, but only did so because the 1978 through early 2000s ones had already been made. Even as the author to a number of those, I'd be okay supporting a mass deletion if it went to vote. The category itself should suffice. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:06, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Sponsor naming in Infobox NCAA football yearly game

In Template:Infobox NCAA football yearly game, field title_sponsor is used to display "official" game names that include sponsorship as a prefix, such as "2023 R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl" (see 2023 New Orleans Bowl). Currently, there is no way (or, no good way that I can see) to display an official game name that has suffix text, such the 2023 Starco Brands LA Bowl Hosted by Gronk (see 2023 LA Bowl). The template does not currently have a way to handle the "Hosted by Gronk", which needs to be placed after the simple bowl name.

I suggest adding a field "title_sponsor_suffix" to the template, which would place any provided text after the simple bowl name (in most cases, the new field will be omitted or left blank). For example, in the example above, setting title_sponsor_suffix equal to "Hosted by Gronk" would render the full title as "2023 Starco Brands LA Bowl Hosted by Gronk" at the top of the infobox.

Feedback welcome. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Update, I added "title_sponsor_suffix" to the template, as it was trivial to do so. Example usages can now be found at 2023 LA Bowl and 2023 Military Bowl. Dmoore5556 (talk) 02:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

All time records, NCAA vs. Teams

Should we prefer NCAA official records or the teams' recognized record in infoboxes? For example, Erskine College recognizes their pre-1950 seasons, while the NCAA only recognizes their seasons since their 2019 return. Old Dominion played from 1930-40, but NCAA records only reflect their post-return records. My assumption is that infoboxes should reflect the offical NCAA stats, while team records can be reflected in the body of the article. Thoughts? glman (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

What document(s) are being referenced for official NCAA stats? Dmoore5556 (talk) 18:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

glman, you're talking about the 86–221–11 all-time record in the infobox at Erskine Flying Fleet football and the like for Old Dominion Monarchs football? I see you added a reference at the Old Dominion article to the NCAA records: http://fs.ncaa.org.s3.amazonaws.com/Docs/stats/football_records/FBS.pdf, page 106. I think the all-time record for Erskine and Old Dominion should included those earlier eras. It's been on my to-do list for a while to go around the program articles and make sure the all-time records listed are up-to-date and dated with a note. Perhaps we can make that a group effort? Jweiss11 (talk) 18:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The NCAA included the disclaimer "Includes records as senior college only." (page 105). I'm not familiar enough with the history of the programs in question to know if that's why their older seasons are not included, but it's a possible explanation. I'd suggest including an explanatory footnote with any infobox record that deviates from the NCAA document, explaining the deviation. Dmoore5556 (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

The struggle is finding reputable sources that reflect the earlier eras, but I don't disagree. Generally, I think we should go with the official NCAA record, rather than Winsipedia or teams. I agree with @Dmoore5556, in unique cases like Old Dominion and Erskine, where reliable sources of earlier records can be found, they should be reflected in the infobox with a note describing the discrepancy. glman (talk) 20:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Even the NCAA records can be wrong at times - LA Tech's record is off by one win because NCAA incorrectly lists their 1951 season as 5-4 online, when their paper scans show it was 4-5. Despite this, I think we should rely on these records first, with reputable sources backing up additional wins and losses. glman (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

QB stats: starts and W–L

I was updating stats for a QB (Dante Moore) and it seems like the number of starts and W–L record are not readily available. Is there a direct source for these for college players? —Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, it seems like WP:OR and not a "routine calculation" if one need to go thru the game logs and verify which games were starts, then keep a running tally of their W–L record. I'd simply delete it here, except other college QBs have it as well, as do NFL QBs in their college section, e.g. Joe Burrow § College statistics. I suspect its copying from the NFL, except sources do directly track that stat for that league.—Bagumba (talk) 07:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

W–L records for college QBs do get mentioned in reliable sources as well. Jweiss11 (talk) 07:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a foreign concept for college. It's that the stat does not seem to be readily available for every QB and for each of their playing years. —Bagumba (talk) 13:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Template:American football roster/Player - More positions? Lettermen?

I'm filling in a roster from 1973 and it's not quite old enough to use Template:Old-time American football roster, but it doesn't quite map to the modern Player template either. (Nor am I sure that I can use the old-time template in a college setting anyways.) Would it make sense to add more position options?

I have flanks, split ends, and ends on the roster I'm looking at. I can map these to WR and TE or whatever but I feel like I'm flattening the nuance of the era to serve a template, which doesn't feel great.

It might be nice to have the abbreviations teased out somewhere for the currently acceptable values. I looked through the linked article and still don't know what BB and CD are.

I suppose I'm also not sure if an End should be put under offense or defense, unless I can find some context outside of the roster list itself.

Also, is there a standardized concept of lettermen? I see I can add as notes, not sure if this is desired or commonly done though. Brendinooo (talk) 20:11, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

I proposed an edit to the template just now. Question about lettermen still stands though Brendinooo (talk) 13:16, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• I am not familiar with the "old-time template", but such a template should not force us to put a player in an offensive or defensive slot. Prior to the 1960s it was common, and prior to 1946 almost universal, for players to play on both offense and defense. Cbl62 (talk) 13:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  This is the template I'm talking about: Template:Old-time American football roster Brendinooo (talk) 14:23, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

All-America Team page format

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:2009 College Football All-America Team § Format changes. —Bagumba (talk) 17:20, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Not found in the list of College All-Star Football Games

I do remember some 30 years ago, for perhaps two years in a row, a very special College All-Star football game that pitted Big 10 All-Stars against Pac 10 All-Stars. It was played in the post season, possibly even in January. Does anyone recall those games? It would be nice, once some documentation is found, to add to the list of the College All-Star Games. Thanks in advance. 98.210.222.10 (talk) 23:41, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

I found this question interesting as I'd never heard of such a game, but a few searches turned up this passage in the Kingdome article:

In the late 1970s, the Kingdome hosted both instances of a Pacific-10 Conference all-star game called the Challenge Bowl; the bowl, sponsored by the Olympia Brewing Company, pitted an all-star team of Pac-10 players against a similar team from another conference. The Pac-10 went undefeated with a 27–20 victory (as the Pac-8) over the Big Ten on January 15, 1978, and a 36–23 victory over the Big Eight on January 13, 1979.

Newspapers.com does find various articles about the "Challenge Bowl" in January 1978 and January 1979. The Pac-8 starting QB for the January 1978 game was Warren Moon. These games were more like 45 years ago than 30 years ago, but I don't see anything similar in the 1990s timeframe. I'm not sure a Challenge Bowl article is warranted, but these game should be worth adding to the (yet to be created) 1977–78 NCAA football bowl games and 1978–79 NCAA football bowl games articles. Dmoore5556 (talk) 06:47, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick followup: I've added Challenge Bowl to All-star game#College all-star games, which is the list I believe the original posted referred to above. Dmoore5556 (talk) 06:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Season articles nominated for deletion

Five season articles have been nominated or deletion. Please see the following discussions:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1896 Indiana State Sycamores football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1900 CCNY Lavender football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1907 Mississippi College Collegians football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1924 Humboldt State Lumberjacks football team
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1925 Humboldt State Lumberjacks football team

Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 23:47, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

2023 NCAA Division I FBS football season

The infobox in 2023 NCAA Division I FBS football season is missing its link to the 2024 season, which should appear at the bottom right of the infobox. I can't figure out why... any help would be appreciated. The links at the bottom of the infobox are automatically created by Template:Infobox NCAA Division I FBS season, but I can't figure out what the issue is. I'd guess it has something to do with the template's use of magic word CURRENTYEAR, perhaps related to it changing from 2023 to 2024, but I'm not sure. Dmoore5556 (talk) 19:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

On further review of the template, the noted behavior looks intentional — for the current year's article, it suppresses displaying a link to the next season. I assumed this was done to avoid displaying a red link for many months on a frequently viewed article. Dmoore5556 (talk) 20:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The link to the 2024 season is now showing. Jweiss11 (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes—happy new year (wherever CURRENTYEAR has changed)! And the forward link is now suppressed on 2024 NCAA Division I FBS football season :-) Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

2023 Kansas Jayhawks football team: article structure

Rockchalk717 and I are engaged in a big of an edit war at 2023 Kansas Jayhawks football team. He's insistent upon keeping the lead to one paragraph and beginning he body with a lead-part-two section of sorts called "Season summary", which is typically not how we structure team season articles. Some third opinions would be helpful there. Thanks, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

To give my side of this, adding all the information from the season summary section to the lede makes the lede excessively long. The entire purpose of the lede is to summarize the key points of the article, which for a college football team is the year, the coach, the conference, final record, if they played in a bowl game and what the result was, and if they won a conference or national championships. A season summary section takes things like records broken, beating a opponent for the first time in a long time (like Kansas did with Oklahoma) ending streaks, winning a bowl game for the first time in a long time, etc and makes a section dedicated to just that. There is no specific policy on lede length, just recommendations and one of those is not making it too long (MOS:LEADLENGTH).--Rockchalk717 22:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, but when full-developed, an article should generally have a lead of more than one short paragraph. Take a look at the leads of some season articles that have reached GA status: e.g. 1997 Michigan Wolverines football team, 2007 Texas Longhorns football team, 1906 Vanderbilt Commodores football team; see Category:GA-Class college football articles for more. They include things like key wins during the season, and stats, accolades, and records for the team and individual players. None of these articles have a "Season summary" section in the body either. The body prose of the 2023 Kansas article is not yet fully-developed, but with all the tables, the articles is already quite long. This is not a question of policy so much as a editorial discretion. What he have now at 2023 Kansas Jayhawks football team is poorly conceived. The first paragraph of the "Season summary" section, the content about preseason polls and watch lists, belongs in the "Preseason" section further down. The second paragraph, the content about key team accomplishments during the season, belongs in the lead. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd tend to agree with Jweiss here - I think the lead should include the content currently in "Season summary" and I certainly don't think including that text makes the lead "excessively long" (or "too long" in any sense). PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:43, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Suspect edits

There is an IP account that has been making some bold edits to a number of college football articles the past few days, such as removing Army from NCAA Division I FBS independent schools, perhaps because the calendar just flipped to 2024 (I reverted that deletion as WP:TOOSOON) and concatenating table entries of all nature, various of which I've found to be detrimental. While the editor is hopefully acting in good faith, messages I've left on talk pages have not been responded to. Some additional eyes on the edits that have been made, may be helpful: edits here and edits here. Dmoore5556 (talk) 05:36, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Village Pump discussion, concerning the NFL Draft

There's a discussion taking place at Village Pump (policy), concerning the NFL Draft. UCO2009bluejay (talk) 05:53, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivian Hultman

You may be interested in the deletion discussion for Vivian Hultman, a 30-game NFL player and captain at Michigan State. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:C. J. Johnson (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:C. J. Johnson (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Antonio Morrison (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Antonio Morrison (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Alex Ward (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Alex Ward (American football)#Requested move 4 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

C6H0 at GAN

Just a notice for anyone that is interested that I have nominated 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game for GA after doing a thorough rewrite and expansion - any comments, edits, or a review would be much appreciated. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 06:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Jack Brewer (American football)#Requested move 5 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jack Brewer (American football)#Requested move 5 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:27, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy new year!

Happy new year, fellas! I just landed in Houston for the big game on Monday. Hold down the wikifort while I’m gone. Go Blue! Jweiss11 (talk) 16:49, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Wish I was there but the logistics of young kids are keeping me home :( Please take some good photos for 2023–24 College Football Playoff and 2024 College Football Playoff National Championship, including, hopefully, a cloud of Purple & Gold confetti at the trophy ceremony! PK-WIKI (talk) 01:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Congratulations, Jweiss. Enjoy it thoroughly! I was there for the 1997 natonal championship game, but the birth of my third child three days ago makes it impossible for me to attend this year. On a side note, I was tempted to search for baby girl names that would allow her to be "J.J." in honor of Michigan's QB, but was persuaded that was a bridge too far. Cbl62 (talk) 01:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Cbl, congrats to and your wife on the birth of your daughter! I saw the 97 team play early that season against Notre Dame at the Big House. It was an honor see this team finish its three-year arc in championship fashion last night. Historic moment for Michigan. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

College Football Championship at In the News

Note that I have nominated the College Football National Championship to appear at In the News. The article could use some cleanup to match ITN quality standards and you may also be interested in the discussion on it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I have my doubts as to the possibility of its success (given my previous experiences with CFB at ITN) but I will work on quality and expanding the article when I can later today. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 14:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand why there is so much opposition to college football when they post little-known events such as darts and yachting. ...sigh... BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Eh, oh well, I've learned that ITN is not worth arguing over. We'll get it on the main page regardless, see Template:Did you know nominations/2024 College Football Playoff National Championship. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, there was Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/January 2020 § (Posted) 2020 College Football Playoff National Championship —Bagumba (talk) 11:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Realignment adjustments

Some editors are already moving football information specifically of note Template:Southeastern Conference football navbox to post-realignment moves. Since the 2023 season is over should we make those adjustments or wait until the moves are "officially" made (ergo July 1)?- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 14:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

My instinct would be to wait since those moves are technically incorrect until they take place in July. Obviously 2024 team season articles can reflect new conference affiliations but other than that I would say it's best to hold off. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 15:19, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Pro Football Archives

Does anyone know what's up with profootballarchives.com? I haven't been able to load it in recent days. Cbl62 (talk) 00:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• @Cbl62: It's gone, unfortunately. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Football_League#Oh_no... where it was discussed at the NFL talk page. A massive shame because a lot of it wasn't archived... BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

WT:NFL#Oh no.... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 00:52, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

What a shame. I long found it to be the most reliable database for basic biographical data on professional football topics. Cbl62 (talk) 02:03, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Eyes needed on 1945 Oklahoma A&M Cowboys football team

There is quite the back and forth going on, on that page regarding the status of the AFCA's national championship, Army, and some editorializing.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

• Indeed. A group of (likely related) IP addresses continues to remove clarifying informaation on this team's claim to a national championship. Most recently, they have repeatedly removed important qualifying language that the "AFCA stated that the 1945 Army Cadets football team, voted AP national champion, could also be recognized as co-champion for 1945 'if the school decides to submit paperwork to the AFCA for evaluation by the committee.'" The deletion of this important qualifying langage creates the false impression that the AFCA made a finding that Ok.St was the one and only team that could/should be recognized as NC. @Jeff in CA: for his input as well. Cbl62 (talk) 17:15, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

My point is also that the whole article needs a copyedit because some of the additions from both sides use language that seems not the most appropriate to illustrate some points. Also is the AFCA Trophy picture a free image or copywright? It is cited from the Stillwater Newspaper. Could a page protection be in order?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 04:50, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

The IP edit-warring has continued on the 1945 Oklahoma A&M article. Should we protect the article? Jweiss11 (talk) 01:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

The IP editor here may be the same person as Miguel Sigala. Jweiss11 (talk) 01:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking through the history, that seems likely. And this issue of deleting the qualifying information dates back to 2019 or 2020. Cbl62 (talk) 13:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

There were multiple warnings at User talk:Miguel Sigala in 2020 and 2021 about removing this content. It was at that point that the same removals continued but from that point forward via IP users. Cbl62 (talk) 13:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I think a sockpuppet investigation would be warranted. I would usually try to avoid calling things vandalism that aren't but Miguel Sigala has repeatedly vandalized OU pages and has a clear OSU bias.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Sub-cats of Category:American college football bowl seasons have been nominated for discussion

The sub-categories of Category:American college football bowl seasons have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

• There's three other categories for deletion that may be of interest:
  • Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_12#Category:Chicago_Dental_Infirmary_football
  • Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_12#Category:Chicago_Dental_Infirmary_football_seasons
  • Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_12#Category:1901–02_NCAA_football_bowl_games
• BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:14, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:SEC Championship Game#Requested move 16 January 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:SEC Championship Game#Requested move 16 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Parameter question

So I have question about the college coach infobox. The "contract" parameter, what exactly should be provided here? It looks like most people put average annual salary. But should it be that, what they will actually make in the current/upcoming season (if available), or the full contract information like "$20 million for 5 years"? The last one I only mention because of the parameter description on the other infobox page. I'll use Arizona's new coach as an example, his average annual salary is $3.5 million, he's scheduled to make $2.2 million this year, and his contract is 5 years for 17.5 million. Which one should be listed?--Rockchalk717 22:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

For the Arizona example give, I would think "$2.2 million (2024)" in the infobox, with some detail in the article (e.g. "he was given a contact for X dollars for Y years"), as clear and informative. Dmoore5556 (talk) 05:26, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Pending AfDs

Recent college football AfDs about rivalries or HBCU classics that need input so that consensus can be reached (one way or another):

• Joe Turner Classic (HBCU game involving Savannah State)
• CSRA Football Classic (HBCU game played in Augusta) -- closed as Soft delete
• Franciscan Bowl (NAIA rivalry)

Cbl62 (talk) 17:49, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Categories for deletion

A number of college football categories have been nominated for deletion. Please see the following discussions:

• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:Carleton_Knights_football_seasons
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:South_Bend_Athletic_Association_football_seasons
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:Maritime_Privateers_football_coaches
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:Maritime_Privateers_football
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:Wabash_Athletic_Association_football_seasons
• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Category:Noblesville_Athletic_Club_football_seasons
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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• BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:52, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Two AFDs that may be of interest

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1881 Georgetown football team and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1892 Western Maryland Green Terror football team. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:07, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

AFD on Georgetown football, pre–1890

You may be interested in the AFD on Georgetown football, pre–1890 (a merger article compiling the history of Georgetown football 1874-1889). BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:2001 Northwestern Eagles football team

There are still lots of candidates for article creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football/The Perfect Season#Seasons without articles. Because the perfect season is rare, such teams generally garner SIGCOV. In other cases, sourcing is a challenge. Draft:2001 Northwestern Eagles football team falls into the latter camp. If you know of good sources for Minnesota college football (Northwestern is in Saint Paul), your help would be appreciated. Cbl62 (talk) 16:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Unanimous national champs champion

User:GBFlyer1 has made a bunch of edits to articles about national champions distinguishing unanimous national champs (e.g. 2022 Georgia Bulldogs football team), from non-unanimous consensus champs (e.g. 2017 Alabama Crimson Tide football team) in the infobox. Not sure this is a good idea. 1909 Yale Bulldogs football team is listed as "unanimous" even though there are other 1909 champs listed at College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS#Yearly national championship selections from major selectors. Thoughts? Jweiss11 (talk) 20:55, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

1909 Yale is listed as the only Champion from any recognized selector.

This list compiles every national champion from every season ever. Unanimous is appropriate for a lot of them: College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS 174.27.77.115 (talk) 20:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)