Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography

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Manhattan has an RFC

Manhattan has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. 01:39, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Help:Elevation

Help:Elevation is a guide to using wikitext to display elevation. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 23:22, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for input

I recently approved an WP:AFC for Draft:Tenley_M._Conway, you can see some of my rationale here. Within 50 minutes, UtherSRG felt it appropriate to revert this without explanation beyond claiming that she did not meet faculty notability criteria. While I will always respect the opinions of other editors, there is no evidence that UtherSRG has extensive experience in academia. While I am not a geography faculty, I am emeritus at a top R1 university and have been on enough tenure committee's etc and written enough letters to know a strong academic. Her full CV is here. Maybe there are some academics in this project who would like to comment here, or on the Draft page. Feel free to say that you do not consider her notable.
Full disclosure of COI -- none. I have never met her, I just feel that rejecting adhoc my acceptance of her page is inappropriate. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2023 (UTC) Retracted Ldm1954 (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

FAR for Rwanda

User:buidhe has nominated Rwanda for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for input on Asia-Pacific

Hi.. I have opened discussion on inclusion of Azerbaijan and Turkey (transcontinental country) in Asia-Pacific article on Talk:Asia–Pacific#Azerbaijan and Turkey. Looking for comment from members of this WikiProject. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Western Sahara has an RFC

Western Sahara has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. CMD (talk) 12:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Article creation

Hello fellow editors, greetings! I see a need of forming a new article for Geomatics engineering whose scope is increasing and article is yet to be made on wiki. Even Survey engineering can be redirected here. Being a subject of paramount importance and related to this wikiproject I would like to bring it to your kind notice. I would love to assist in the mean process as and when needed but being a civil engineering student I might not be able to accomplish this on my own having been unknown of various terms used. Franked2004 (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Move discussion at Guayana Esequiba

An editor has requested that Guayana Esequiba be moved to Guyana–Venezuela territorial dispute, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. --WMrapids (talk) 20:51, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Featured article review for Richard Hakluyt

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Move discussion for 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis

An editor has requested that 2023 Guayana Esequiba crisis be moved to 2023 Guyana–Venezuela crisis, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion.--WMrapids (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Organizing categories for subfields of geography

The category for the Four traditions of geography has been deleted, which has caused some issues that need to be discussed to reorganize the categories for geography. The initial consensus to delete had relatively little discussion, and after I preposed for deletion review, the deletion was endorse with the encouragement to discuss organization structure in this group. This is a complex discussion on the ontology of geography, and the book "The Philosophy of Geo-Ontologies" by Timothy Tambassi is one of the best sources to understand this. The four traditions are not the only method, for dividing geography; various methods have various levels of support in the literature, and the reorganization largely involves three former categories now that the four traditions are deleted.

tl;dr at the bottom.

1. Before deletions, the category for the four traditions of geography was a container that held Category:Spatial analysis, Category:Human-Environment interaction, Category:Regional geography, and Category:Earth science. The Four traditions of geography are likely the most consistent and strongest supported method of dividing the discipline proposed in the past century, originating in the 1960s, a search on Google Scholar shows the original peer-reviewed publication has over 600 citations, with other well-cited papers on the topic existing. This topic is taught to geography undergrads, and the paper is required reading for many geography graduate programs in my anecdotal experience with two of them. Outside the practical usefulness, being one of the four traditions is a defining characteristic of each subcategory that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic (The Human-Environment interaction category now is just in the general Category:Geography as it's only parent category was the four traditions.)

2. Category:Branches of geography was parallel to the "four traditions of geography" within the category Category:Subfields of geography. It is a container with holds Category:Human geography, Category:Physical geography, Category:Technical geography. Branches of geography are less consistent within the literature then the four traditions, with different sources having different organizations for what they call a "branch" (this is important to note, as specific term choice for the branches is less well supported then the four traditions). The three branches here are based on a few sources, but mostly the UNESCO Encyclopedia of Life Support Systems. This is also in line with Tambassi's spatial geo-ontologies (SGO), physical (or natural) geo-ontologies (PGO), human geo-ontologies (HGO) model, which adapted Patterson's "Spatial tradition." Branches are a term that exist in the literature to organize the discipline (you can read about them on the main geography page), so we can't just dump all fields into them or it's original research on ontology.

3. The category "Subfields of geography" was created to maintain consistency with other disciplines on Wikipedia within the category Category:Subfields by academic discipline. This category does not have strong supporting outside literature, so the idea was to have the various approaches to organizing the discipline serve as categories within it.

Now that the four traditions has been deleted, "Subfields of geography" and the "Branches" seem redundant, but just dumping everything into either one is not ideal, and choosing one over the other would need to be carefully considered. Furthermore, there are many approaches such as the Five themes of geography, and it may be good to leave room for non-western models as well. The simplest compromise I can prepose for discussion here is to create Category:Traditions of geography to replace the deleted four traditions category. Within the literature, there are preposed "fifth traditions," Exploration and Discovery", or Environmental studies. Eliminating the "four" from the title increases flexibility and offers room to include these and other proposed amended traditions. One of the arguments for deleting the four traditions category was the lack of growth potential, which this addresses.

tl;dr: The preposed organization would be "Subfields by academic discipline">"Subfields of geography" to maintain internal consistency with other disciplines on Wikipedia, and then within "Subfields of geography" would be the two container categories "Branches of geography" and "Traditions of geography." This should satisfy the two largest historic models for organizing geography and keep the geography subdivisions in one category within the "Subfields by academic discipline" category.

Please discuss my preposed solution, or offer alternatives, with consideration to outside literature and Wikipedia policy/recommendations. Tagging several users from the previous discussions: @Hobit, @S Marshall, @Qwerfjkl, @Robert McClenon, @ gidonb, @fgnievinski. Pardon my verbose explanations, I just want to make sure everything is addressed, and feel free to ignore this if you aren't interested in continuing discussion here. Hopefully we can get interaction on this discussion.

- GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 22:00, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Merge discussion for "Geomatics" and "Geomatics engineering" needs participation

There is an ongoing merge discussion going on to merge "Geomatics engineering" into the page for "geomatics." Currently there is very weak consensus, and the action is proving slightly controversial, so I'd like to get additional knowledgeable people to comment on it.

Link to the merge discussion here. GeogSage ^{(⚔Chat?⚔)} 08:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Any plans on making a page about The Parallel Nile River Project?

I noticed that there is not yet a page on the The Parallel Nile River Project is anyone planning to make one? Space772 (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)