Talk:Vince McMahon

Billionaire?

I thought McMahon dropped off the billionaires list back in 2001? He's not on the forbes list of billionaires.

According to Wrestleview.com he's not a billionaire. This is backed up by SEC.Edgar-online.com which says he owns about 56m shares. At their current value (about $16) he's worth approx $900m. I'm therefore once again removing the "billionaire" claim unless someone can cite me a reliable source saying otherwise. --DeLarge 08:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Here's a more current article based on Forbes 2006 billionaire listing: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a3mkJLePzIag&refer=us McMahon's billionaire status might have been a exaggeration. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Vitalstatistics

Is Vince only 220lb??(Halbared 15:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC))

poor wording in the article

"the two worked to take the pro wrestling business to places that no one ever deemed imaginable."

What the heck is this? In order for something to be deeemed something else, by definition, that something must have been imaginable. A different word should be picked and I don't give half a crap what.

New Era

This new era is featuring alot of shoots and breaking of kayfabe, especially the court room scene on December 5th RAW where Chris Masters was referred to as his real surname Mordetsky in terms of lying under oath. Hi.

I don't really think this was breaking kayfabe as in these situations (even though it wasn't real) you have to use your real name. K-man-1 11:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Family

I'm nearly 100% sure vince has another daughter, cant think of her name, who is just not well known because she is not involved in wrestling in any way. -C. Razor

You may be thinking of Marissa McMahon, Shane's wife and Vince's daughter-in-law. I've never seen anything that says Vince has another biological daughter. --Chrysaor 18:27, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Early career

The article implies that McMahon basically bought the WWF from under his father's nose in a hostile takeover. Is this accurate? If so, it should be made explicit, or re-worded if was spome kind of inheritance dodge.

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yes, this is the case.

Well, hold on. That's not exactly true. It was a takeover, but it wasn't exactly hostile. After Vince proved to his father that he had promoting talent, he allowed his son to buy the company. --Chrysaor 21:37, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

---you are incorrect. there was no blessing for the younger vince. the other promoters even plotted to kill vince at one point! WillC

A hostile takeover of Capitol Wrestling implies that Vince McMahon, Sr., not other promoters, was opposed to the takeover. Promoters that plotted to kill Vince were NWA promoters that Vince either bought out or had enroached on their territory, not Vince McMahon, Sr., and this was after Vince took over the company from his father. [pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=7677&p=1 This biography of Vince], written by Pro Wrestling Insider, explains the difference. It mentions that Vince Sr. was initially opposed to his son entering the wrestling business, but there is no mention of him objecting when his son bought his company, or that it was a hostile takeover. --Chrysaor 18:21, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

There was no hostile takeover, for it to be hostile 10 men would have had to turn against McMahon sr. including Monsoon. That's not the way it happened at all. What Vince's father did NOT approve of was his son's HOSTILE TAKEOVER of OTHER territories. As far as the other promoter plotting to kill him, please cite a reference to this.

No, it was not a hostile takeover. I have a book recounting Vinces career and it says that Vince Sr. finally decided to sell the company and offering Vince Jr. a chance to buy it. Part of the buy deal was that Vince Jr. needed to pay Vince Sr. some sort of fee and if he missed any of the payments Vince Sr. could nullify the sale.User:Killswitch Engage

Vince in Maryland and Delaware

I heard his family used to have a vacation home on Delmarva. Is it true?

I've heard of that as well, but I do not find it really relevant unless something significant happened there.

The Controversy Section

I have seen the actual video footage of McMahon using the "N" word on Cena at last year's Survivor Series, although finding that video clip on the internet is very difficult to achieve. If anyone (or the one who provided this Controversy section to the article) has the actual video clip of that particular backstage promo, feel free to contribute it as well. There is an online blog somewhere on the web that has a video clip of the promo posted, but currently, it is down. If at any moment, the author of that blog is able to fix the video link, I feel it is appropriate to provide that link here:

Yo buddy all you to do is get the Survivor Series DVD, go to extras and find the scene.--Killswitch Engage 23:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Here's the link to the videoclip. It works! The video is clear and the evidence is irrefutable -- http://playahata.com/hatablog/?p=1101

Archival McTannith 04:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the "N word" segment from the controversy section as it didn't cause any real controversy (internet whinings don't count as controversy, ok?) Matt

But he did say it. It's an irrefutable fact. Check the link above, which I provided. It has the videoclip of him using the "N" word. By the way, how can it not be counted as a controversy? And your comment about "whinings" is subjective. It isn't a very NPOV description of anything. For the most part, it seems you are defending McMahon's actions by using the term "whining" to demonize those who rightfully point out the fact that he did say "My Nigga" to John Cena. You can't deny history. Archival McTannith 04:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

You can't upload video clips to Wikipedia. Also, saying something that could be controversial doesn't necessarily cause controversy. -- THL 04:20, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

But it did cause controversy. It may have not caused a big controversy, but it certainly caused a controversy nonetheless. Archival McTannith 03:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Where is there any proof that it caused controversy?

Three links to wrestling boards does not a controversy make. Otherwise everything that ever happened would be controversial because some fanboys were there to argue about it. I removed this so-called controversy.Stardog101 20:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Vince allegedly assaulted a woman in the mid-90s

I remember watching on 20/20 around 1995, some woman who claimed Vince got her in his limo and forced her to put her hands on his penis. This definately needs to be added to the article! Buzda 05:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide a link or some sort of proof that this happened, or even that such a claim was made? Certainly, this sexual harassment allegation you say happened needs to be substantiated before it can be added. [[Briguy52748 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)]]

really, that sounds like it definately nedds a mention

Cleanup

This article is very long and contains a lot of crap (especially with the weekly play-by-play of the HBK and HHH feuds) that I don't have time right now to fix. I encourage everyone to look and removing non-relevant material. --TheTruthiness 20:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I think some of this stuff should forked into an article or a section should be created called Mr. McMahon, focusing on the kayfabe stuff rather than real life. The on camera stuff just gets mixed in with the real life bio. --Jtalledo (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed most of the kayfabe stuff and summarized his on-camera exploits. The focus in this article should be on his real-life accomplishments, as opposed to events related to the fictional character. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I removed the cleanup tag, it's below the "may be too long" size limit and looks a lot cleaner. I think the Mr. McMahon article might be a good idea, but no other wrestler has it seperate do I don't know if we need it. --TheTruthiness 01:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Toupee

There should be a section about the toupee controversy that vince had in the 90s Dinobrava 06:58, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

He really had a toupee? Then why does his hair look the same now? Im baffled... K-man-1 11:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Current name

As he is a heel right now, isn't "Mr. McMahon" his current on-screen name, and therefore to be bolded? I'll make the change, and check back later to see if there are any problems. Tromboneguy0186 07:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds right. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Vince McMahon's religion

I don't think the references to McMahon being a Roman Catholic are accurate despite his obviously ethnic name which cannot be used as the sole criterion.

True, his father (Vince, Sr.) probably was Catholic, but as his own wikipedia bio text indicates he did not meet his father until he was 12 and lives with a series of abusive stepfathers in North Carolina. There is no indication that Vincent Kennedy McMahon was ever raised Catholic, and thus his children (Shane and Stephanie) are not Catholic unless their mother is Catholic, and there is no such indication.

Re Internet references to religion:

a) My.ImpactWrestling.com :: The ultimate online pro wrestling communityAS I SEE IT 10/31: Jim Ross, Vince McMahon, and a moronic skit ... While raised Roman Catholic, I'm just a person who has worked with people of many ... my.impactwrestling.com/Blog.aspx?BLOGID=6660 - 63k - Cached - Similar pages

Note: the person who was "raised Roman Catholic" is not McMahon but the person who is writing the commentary (some guy named Bob Magee).

b) Biography for Stephanie McMahonDaughter of World Wrestling Entertainment owner Vince McMahon. ... 2003 in Sleepy Hollow, New York at St. Teresa of Avila Catholic Church. ... www.imdb.com/name/nm0573080/bio - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

True - she did marry in a Catholic church, but the groom (husband) was (is) Catholic (Mr. Levesque).

Thus most likely the references to religion will need to be deleted unless additional proof is forthcoming.

WaltzingMatilda 05:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

the family IS catholic linda is on the Board of Trustees of Sacred Heart University if your not catholic you ca not be on the board Lil crazy thing 19:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That just prooves that Linda is Catholic, not Vince. TJ Spyke 06:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

What in the world is this in the controversy

"he told a WWE stunt technician to sabotage the harness of which Owen Hart was to descend from, which led to his death, rumoured to be due to Owen's erratic behaviour backstage. In other words, Owen's death was a punishment." This absolutely looks fake because even if this was real would Vince Mcmahon actually say this on tv? I am taking that part off that is rediculous Bill102 16:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It is Ridiculous to accuse someone of murder without any evidence whatsoever. This was either an act of vandalism or someone with a grudge. There is no reason to keep this. --Edgelord 23:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Please show good faith on wikipedia. TareTone 08:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Name of opening theme song?

Does anyone have the name of Vince McMahon's opening theme song, and/or has a link where i can download it?

Hey Dee-Dee-Dee! The name of his song is No Chance (In Hell)! And you can download it here, but if you don't download it in seven days it will be deleted so hurry up and you should sign your name dude if you ask questions like that. 2wordsforya 14:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

HORRIBLE grammar

This article needs a serious rewrite because the grammar makes it almost unreadable.

Be bold and fix the problem, that's what the Wiki format is all about. The Hybrid 22:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I cleaned up an especially hideous sentence in the trial section.Stardog101 20:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Is he dead?

I was searching wikipedia and found him on the 27 spetember recently dead list. But I checked his profile and it never mentioned he died. I have searched the internet and cant find a page about his death, so... is he dead?--BigFake 22:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

No...I was told it was a neck injury and a USA promo for WWE Monday Night RAW said that the McMahons were out indefinitely. The edit was probably vandalism. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 22:22, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

this just appeared on his page... "Sorrowfully, Vince MacMahon died on the morning of 24/10/06 due to a, presumed, heart attack." any truths?

Vandalism. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 17:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

For some reason it says that he is dead on 24th March 2007

WWE.com says he is, so...

Vince Kennedy McMahon is presumed dead June 11, 2007 after his limo exploded following McMahon Appriciation Day on Monday Night RAW...

Why?

Why the fuck is Bret Hart/The Montreal Screwjob not mentioned in this article?64.12.117.8 06:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? It's mentioned in the "Mr. McMahon" section with a link to the article about it. --Ultimo Camdawg 22:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, whoops, the comment is a month old. --Ultimo Camdawg 07:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

vandalism

do the personal life section again please

Eric Bischoff comment

The article states briefly that Eric Bischoff in his book said that without him there would be no Mr. McMahon. Can anyone add more to this comment such as why Bischoff says this? --Ultimo Camdawg 05:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe it goes back to the Montreal Screwjob. Prior to Survivor Series 1997, where the Screwjob took place, Bret Hart had signed with WCW. McMahon was afraid Hart would show up on the next episode of WCW Monday Nitro with the WWF Championship. Two years earlier, Bischoff had Alundra Blaze, aka Madusa, dump the WWF Women's Title in a trash can on Nitro. McMahon was afraid Bischoff would have Bret Hart do the same thing, and that led to the Screwjob.

Afterwards, McMahon used the genuine heat he receieved from this to create the Mr. McMahon character. NewPasha 20:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I know that the Montreal Screwjob was where McMahon got the heat to make his character, but is Eric Bischoff claiming that if he wasn't interested in getting Bret Hart that there would be no Mr. McMahon character? I want to know what Bischoff said instead of an observation of the events. --Ultimo Camdawg 23:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if he actually said that in his book or not, but on TV he said that word for word. No explanation given. -- THLR^CCD 01:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Political Affiliation?

I'm wondering whether he's a registered Republican or what, since WWE shows have had a decidedly pro-war attitude (primarily concerning Iraq).--Fingerknöchelkopf 07:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

How does it show that? Countless Americans, republican and democrat alike, support the troops themselves no matter what their view on the actual war is. The support the WWE shows to the troops and veterans doesn't prove anything, so without any other proof we have no way of knowing. Cheers, -- THL 09:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but there's a difference between supporting the troops and saying that it was a good idea to send them to their current place of residence. It's mostly Republicans who are big Bush supporters who want them to stay in Iraq indefinitely and who parrot the assertion made by the administration and by Fox News about how the media never reports the good stuff that's happening in Iraq. Back when I still watched WWE before I got fed up with these kinds of politics being shoved in my face (and other things), I remember Jim Ross encouraging troops to "go and kick their asses" during a PPV and regurgitating the usual stuff about how they're doing this so we can be free (like Saddam really had weapons and was a threat to our freedom--you know, nobody has the manpower to actually conquer the U.S., they can only kill some of its people, so even if he had WMD he wouldn't have been a threat to "freedom", but I digress). Then, of course, there was the whole thing where Chris Nowinsky came out and protested the war because that made him a HEEL and it got Scott Steiner to kick his ass to the delight of the crowd. Of course later on, Nowinsky went on to have a feud with Steiner wherein he teamed up with those French guys and used all the tried and true heel tactics. Then there's this recap of 2005's Tribute to the Troops, where McMahon comes out and does a shoot monologue where he criticizes the "negative media types" (visit the link and see for yourself).

Oh yeah, the reason the media doesn't report schools being built and so on is because of the same rule that applies to all news: "if it bleeds, it leads." Nobody expected there to be much bleeding at all; people expected it to be basically a repeat of 1991's Gulf War, and if it goes worse than that, it's newsworthy.--Fingerknöchelkopf 20:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Man, I'm sorry about the tone of the above message, it's just that this kind of thing has a way of setting me off. Particularly when you take the whole Steiner/Nowinsky thing as Vince (who I presume had something to do with it since he's one of the guys who books the matches and has creative control over all the other stuff as well) saying that anybody who had a problem with the Iraq war deserved to get their ass kicked, which is how I took it. I was channel-surfing on Monday night and caught some of RAW, and decided to watch for a couple minutes, only to be bombarded with pro-war stuff. Then I googled "Tribute to the Troops" and found the recap above, which made me angrier. I could debate this forever but then I'd be shoving my politics in the faces of people who aren't interested just like Vince does, so I won't. Just saying that it might be worth finding out and putting in the entry someplace.--Fingerknöchelkopf 07:37, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I see. Anyway, Vince may support the war itself, but from the Cryme Tyme skit two weeks ago I would say that he doesn't seem to support Bush. Even if he did, that doesn't necessarily mean that he is a republican. In my opinion, I don't think there is any way to say what his political affiliation is without it being OR at the moment. Cheers, -- THL 11:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Kiss my ass club

That gimmick did not deserve a whole section to itself, and as such has been deleated.

• You cannot unilaterally delete a section for the reason stated. I believe that the kiss my ass club is notable enough to merit inclusion in this article and have reinstated it. Further comments and opinions are solicited to determine an outcome. Soltak | Talk 00:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
  • It's been deleted again along with the firings section. Ken S. 12:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You can't just go deleting whole sections because you feel like it. You have to discuss these things here on the article's talk page first. Blanking whole sections without first getting consensus like that is vandalism. I believe they are a huge part of his character and thus should be in the article. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 12:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

McMahon vs. Trump

Why did Mr.McMahon keep saying he has more money then Donald Trump i mean who cares they'er both loaded. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 700 mb (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

It's all about the storyline, and the pride that his character has on being successful; he doesn't like being second in anything. Anakinjmt 02:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

How come theres no mention of McMahon going bald? 71.249.82.78 00:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I think we should also update his picture to one of present day (bald). 208.104.254.236 22:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

steroids missing

Any mention of the steroids case is gone, went back through a couple pages of history and couldnt find it, despite it being in googles cache and many other sites reference it. What happened? was it just vandalism that was forgotten? -M^ask 02:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

I went back through the history, found it, and re-inserted it, thanks for noticing! Bmg916^Speak_Sign 13:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

ecw

On wwe.com he is in the ecw superstar section so he is an official ecw superstar not raw or smackdown.

Agreed, he used to be on the Raw Superstars page, however the artice says he appears on onll three brands, which is accurate, no edit needed.Sephiroth storm 02:38, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm still shocked that he's ECW champion. Clen_17 9:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Trump/McMahon Feud

Since Trump isnt appearing on WWE television anymore shouldn't the part about his current feud with Bobby Lashley be put into a new section?

Rc Her 22:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Vince McMahon, Dr.h.c.

As reported on WWE.com, Vince McMahon has recieved an honorary doctorate degree by Sacred Heart University. According to the wikipedia article on this, he can use the title of "Doctor" but the most common usage is "Dr.h.c." after the recipients name. I've added it onto Vince McMahon's title as it's supported by the information provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbx118 (talk • contribs)

I removed the reference in the opening to McMahon being a doctor because it's just an honorary degree. I think such a reference doesn't serve the purpose of best conveying information. Readers may get the incorrect impression that he completed a doctoral program. Many celebrities have received honorary doctorates and I don't see them referred to as doctor in their intro paragraphs or as a general practice. A mention of the honorary doctorate, clearly pointing out that it is honorary in the text, might be appropriate elsewhere in the article. --JamesAM 01:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Doctor of Hardcore

AS of Vince McMagon's degree from Sacred Heart University, Jim Ross has given him the title "Doctor of Hardcore". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.148.232.34 (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Merge

If there are no objections, I'd like to merge the McMahon DVD section of this article to McMahon (documentary). As most of the information is redundant, it is useless to have two separate articles that discuss it. Plus, the other article goes into more detail, and it'll prevent Vince's article from becoming too lengthy. I'll probably do it in a couple of days to give anyone time to oppose if they want. Nikki311 02:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

East Carolina University Vince's School

It is East Carolina University not East Carolina State University. Although ECU is a North Carolina Funded University the word state is not in the name of the University.

picture

does anybody else think we should add a more recent picture of vince user:sub619 20:32, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Vince's New "Insane" Gimmick

I think it's more retarded than insane. It's like he's a mentally handicapped mindf*ck now.

Matt Hardy/Vince rivalry coming

i know it shouldnt be put in his artical, but Vince and Matt [to me] might look like there about to have a rivalry. I think this because Vince screwed Matt twice by making him dfend his tag team title when he was in no condition to fight, then made him fight Deuce n Domino in a handicapp match, then Matt had a small section on wwe.com about how he feals about the 'new' Vince.Mt 1994 14:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

The death of Vincent Kennedy McMahon

I just wanted to say... can he at least be presumed dead? lol --Maestro25 03:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

What a nightmare. That stupid explosion is going to cause so much vandalism to this article. Nikki311 03:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It was fake you moron

Yeah, they BOTH got that, idiot. 65.189.210.173 03:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's OR if you say he's not dead. --Maestro25 03:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Vince McMahon: Dead?

Taken from WWE.com;

"Wilkes-Barre, Pa. – A night originally designated Mr. McMahon Appreciation Night turned deadly when the WWE Chairman’s limousine burst into a fiery explosion just moments after Mr. McMahon stepped into it. Permanently uprooting the world of sports-entertainment, the Chairman has been presumed dead in Wilkes-Barre, Pa.

Check back with WWE.com as more details become available on this shocking news." is is storyline

I think this is kayfabe. That's what I think.--989 RVD 03:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I shouldn't dignify this with a comment, but I'm going to anyway. They aren't going to kill the man on live television. That doesn't happen, except by accident. He is still alive. Nikki311 03:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Very sad. Even though I hated him...

He did not die. This is an angle to keep wwe fans with the show. Kind of like the Katie Vick storyline. [wossi] 03:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You know, limos happen to spontaneously explode all the time...

Those marks...they'll though that Katie Vick was a real human being and went on to denounce Kane as a murderer, and now this....... God. Xbox6 03:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

HE'S NOT DEAD, WRESTLING IS FUCKIN FAKE HE ESCAPED FROM THE LIMO FROM THE OTHER SIDE, MORON 65.2.242.144 03:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Though I hated Vince, I still had a bit of respect for him in my own way. However, due to the number of enemies he has made in the past, it may not be a accidental demise. Either that or Vince is faking his death for a decent "McMahon Appreciation Night"(RAW is usually the memorial service of the WWE). We'll known for sure on Monday. Fractyl 03:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree that its likely kayfabe, Look at how many time Undertaker has "Died". Tomarrow on ECW or Friday on Smackdown we'll likely hear "Vince has somehow surived." My thoughts are if it was real why in the world did the camera man just stand there? and b if you watch closly the camera switched right before the explosion meaning it could have easily been another limo. So I say we wait till its 100% confirmed before we aid anything or put something like "But this may be kayfabe" after anything mintioning the event. Superx 03:28, 12 June 2007 (UTC) P.S. Even though I really dislike Vince I hope he's ok but I still hope WWE gets a new boss

• • • It was clear the "explosion" was inserted after the "live" shots of the Limo door being closed. The camera panned out to a wide shot as McMahon was getting into the car, and the pan didn't quite match the inserted footage of the explosion right after the door closed. Besides, if this had really happened as broadcast, it would be on all the news networks, don'tcha think? MerrimacVI 03:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

You idiots are so clueless

Vince did not die. He escaped from the limo from the other side. Remember No Mercy 2005 when Orton "killed" Taker by locking him in a casket? He came back @ Survivor Series. Orton "killed" him again the day Eddie died, and he came back AGAIN. Remember when Rock threw Austin in the lake? HE CAME BACK. So get rid of that shit about Vince dying. It's all Fake And Kayfabe. Idiots. 65.2.242.144 03:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. This is totally fucking fake, the explosion was clearly recorded, and there's no way that, if this was real, they would have kept rolling. JR and King would have said something, and the broadcast would have stopped completely. Not to mention, the camera would have been dropped. No decent man would watch while his boss burned to a crisp.

Thank you, IP address guy. Just like I was saying: it was kayfabe.--989 RVD 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Undertaker has SUPER POWERS, that's why he survived. Jeez --Maestro25 03:35, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

WWE Corporate is laughing their asses off over this revert war over a 'major storyline'. Socby19 03:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

Who knows... It Could've gone wrong. No one knows right now. Worldunderblood 03:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It'll be up on YouTube in a few hours. Close analysis will show that it is two different limos. As far as the Undertaker coming back, that's his character. McMahon is more humanistic, and hasn't yet died in a storyline (not that I'm aware of). Socby19 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)Socby19

We know wrestling is fake but this storyline is truly fake as well rickengothic 03:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lets Be Nice

Let people beleive what they want... We know this is kayfabe but let people beleive whatever they want... Until then we need to keep this article locked out.

I say we put him as presumed dead. It may be "fake" but we can't prove it. Until WWE puts out a press release or something. Then we'll label it as a hoax in the future. --Maestro25 03:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Shows how clueless a person like you can be. There is no NEED to Prove the death, because it's fucking clear that it was fake. See the section right above this section.King of America 03:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Protected

I have protected this page. There is too much nonsense going on on this article about his "death." Vince McMahon did not die tonight. It's storyline. This article is a combination of Vince the wrestler and Vince the head of WWE. Because of this, we cannot go around claiming him dead just because the storyline says so. Metros 03:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It really doesn't matter if this is kayfabe or not, full protection should not have been enabled. This is a current event (in WWE storyline or in real news).

Well that's why I protected this. So people can discuss what to do from here. What should be stated in this article about the event? We cannot add a death date to his infobox or state a date of death, this is a severe breach of WP:BLP guidelines. Metros 03:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

It's clearly kayfabe as nearly everything else that happens in wrestling. The nature of the wwe article confirms it. WWE would genuinely be concerned about it if it were real and would give details about the body being taken to the hospital and what not. Borrada 03:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not talking about declaring someone dead, but there was a section dedicated to the "Limo Incident" or "Death?" I believe, since it is a current event, it should still be there and/or edited as new information arises.

Perhaps a "Death" section could be implemented in the Mr. McMahon section with quotes in the title.

It could be used to explain what happened and that it is an angle and nothing more. 74.73.249.5 03:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I say we don't give this utter bullshit any recognition at all. This has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever witnessed on live television, right next to Lil' Kim's boob popping out at the MTV VMA's about five years ago. But whatever.

What to put for the article

Clearly this is a big part of the Mr. McMahon character what happened tonight on RAW. For now, I think a little backstory as to what led to it followed by a brief explination of the explosion will be satisfactory for now until more WWE shows have aired to give more exposition for this angle. For all we know, he could show up on ECW tomorrow night without a scratch on him.Kyle C Haight 03:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

What we should do is just state that on the June 11, 2007 episode of WWE RAW, Vince Mcmahon stepped into his limo during the end of the broadcast. Upon stepping into said limo, it burst into flames. WWE.com has presumed him dead. Killswitch Engage 03:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Just calm down everyone.

Just everyone think about what we're talking about. There's no need to get into fight. We should just wait till tommarow then we won't have to fight over this because then we'll know what happened. Superx 03:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

READ THIS BULL

From WWE.com: The sight of the charred debris led to speculation that there was no conceivable way anyone could have escaped from the limo alive. Early assessments from local firefighters and police officers sent a similar feeling regarding the probability of the Chairman’s survival. Sources say given the nature of the apparent car bombing, federal authorities may be called in for a more thorough investigation that would supersede local Pennsylvania authorities.

GOD, AN ANGLE HAS NEVER PISSED ME OFF MORE IN MY LIFE! WikiWikiBoi 03:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

My favorite part of the article was where they had already quoted the firefighter within 20 minutes of the event. Metros 04:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Those PA firefighters work fast! --Maestro25 04:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I swear to God, if Vince (or his character) does not survive this, I will jump off a bridge and scream F+++ WWE on the way down. WikiWikiBoi 04:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Good god... You know, I bet this is WWE's way at getting back at Wikipedia for being IWC central. They're practically begging trolls to come and vandalize--

I know this is bull, but you just GOTTA love those pics that they have of the explosion! They are so precise and they were just SECONDS from the actual explosion! Those are the best photographers I have EVER seen!Cjcamilla 04:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Articles on this event

http://www.digg.com/celebrity/Mr_McMahon_limo_explodes http://www.thescoreboards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35707 64.201.8.250 04:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)