Talk:Joseph Estrada

What are his achievments?

What are the achievements of Press. Joseph Estrada

That's a good question. Besides bedlam, chaos, corruption, a loss of faith in the government institutions, the resurgence of illegal gambling... --210.5.125.46 (2004-08-18 09:51:47)

He made movies. He was an accomplished actor. He was able to get an unprecedented majority of the Filipino people to vote him in as President of The Philippines. He was and still is a celebrity, to name but a few of his 'achievements.' Many people loved him, and still do to this very day.

Interestingly, there is a story, whether true or not, of a movie theatre packed with fans to see one of his newly released films, in Mindanao. The story goes, that when Erap was confronted with his enemies and when things were looking dire for their mega-star of the silver screen, some in the audience pulled out their guns and started shooting at the screen in hopes of taking out his adversaries!

It's the Philippines. And objectively speaking, he is merely a reflection of what the people wanted or even demanded, at that time ... The 'people' put him in. The 'people' took him out. Conversely perhaps, the jueteng scandal was what did him in, and not so much as a "resurgence" since it was always there, but one who brought attention to it. Nevertheless the more notable 'achievement' was in providing the Filipino a means by which to see the corruption that is rampant in government, and not just in Erap ("pare" spelled backwards), but in and of their leaders, as well as proving the existence of a certain 'power' that many perhaps are unaware of and of which they possess. --Drdequit (2005-04-08 17:58:01)

The Mindanao story you mentioned there is true, but it was not an Erap movie that the people were watching. It was a Fernando Poe film. I remember having read about this during the 2004 Philippine elections, where Fernando Poe run for President. I just can't remember what or where it is. --emanlerona 16:09, 24 November 2006

I don't know. But, I don't know why people keep on saying Erap should not be guilty. There excuse is "walang ebidensya". Excuse me???? Of course there is so many!!! Just ask Chavit Singson --121.97.248.236 06:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

EDSA III

Would someone familiar with the situation look at article EDSA III and see if it should be referenced from here? That article is linked from EDSA II, but since EDSA III mentions Estrada particularly perhaps it should have a link. Just wondering... Shenme 21:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Oh good, there's an article about that now. I made a link to it. Coffee 01:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

What's in a name?

I feel some mention should be made of his son Jinggoy who was also accused (convicted?) of embezzlement. More improtantly, I'd like to see a mention of the false names Erap used to hide money, including Jose Velarde and Kevin Garcia - Kevingarcia 19:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Estrada, article not found!

I have a problem in opening the article "Joseph Estrada" because Wikipedia is saying that the mentioned article doesn't exist. Does anyone have the same problem? - A-yao 07:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I can see the article now. What really happened in the past few days? - A-yao 05:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Move to "Joseph Ejercito Estrada"

How about this be moved to "Joseph Ejercito Estrada" instead of it being moved to "Joseph Estrada?" Pangulo.ph says that his historically-accurate name is indeed Joseph Ejercito Estrada and I agree..

And Mandy Moore's historically-accurate name is indeed Amanda Leigh Moore yet we use Mandy Moore. WP:NC says we use the most popular name. --Howard the Duck 16:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Please tell me

Hi my name is mandy Newelli need to ask you a few things and would like for you to let me know a bi more about the Estrada family as Mr Estranda Wife emailed me to ask me if i can help her to transfer some funds that she needs to hide away she told me that her family are trying to take it and i think she is lieing she asked me if i could hold on to 18,000,000 for some money that she has in a account in the UK (England) she said if i help her hold on to it she will give me 10% of the 18,000,000 i dont know if this is money they have stole from the goverment in the philippiens but this is what she asked me to do the money is held at this time in the Whitehorse corporation in the UK and the man that is dealing with it is Mr Chris Martins i have email address to him and the wife of Mr Estrada if you need them please let me know Chris Martins ask me to forward the sum of 4,630 pounds to transfer the 18,000,000 into my account he said this is what i have to pay to do this for Mrs Luisa Estrada and as soon as i pay that money he would then release the 18,000,000 into my account i have not payed any money to them as i did not belive that this was right i thought that there is something not right in this so i did some looking up on them the Estrsda family and so i thught that this is some thing you need to know about can you please let me know if i can be of more help to you in this matter and can you let me know if what they are doing is wrong —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mandy68 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC).

Mandy68 01:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)== Please tell me ==

[Deleted duplicate poast from same person] -- Yksin 20:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hope you didn't go for it. This "please transfer money for me" thing is a scam intended to part you from your money. See Advance fee fraud for further info. -- Yksin 20:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I received the same scam supposedly from a Evita Gina Morlan who claims to be his mistress arrested with him in April of 2001. Again this is a variation of the Nigerian banking scam. RiverviewClock

Complete on info, skimpy on references. Yksin 20:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Legacy section

The "Legacy" section contains many unsourced claims regarding Estrada's leadership failings. In contrast to the sections addressing corruption allegations, which appear to be neutral, the author of this section exhibits fairly transparent bias and makes use of weasel words, especially in sentences such as, "Though many Filipinos do not realize it, he may be the worst ever president of the Philippines in terms of management style and economic reforms or improvements."

wat are the programs and achievements of pres. estrada —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.173.14 (talk) 09:02, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Incredibly biased and unfair wikipedia article

I am not Filipino and I have not followed Philippines politics except from a distance. I have no opinion on whether former President Estrada is corrupt or not. I first found out about him today through reading a Fox News Report.

When I read this wikipedia article, I was very surprised by the bias of the content. I'll give an example. President Estrada accuses a newspaper of bias (stated in the article). There is no mention of details so of course, his accusation sounds false. If you read through the article, it lists all of Estrada's deficiencies (ran with gangs, displeased his parents, drinks with shady characters) but doesn't say anything positive about him that I could find. There is no mention of how he rose from poverty (just a mention that he was not as poor as people think) and there is no mention of any achievements as an actor or as a president and from what I understand, he took a very strong anti-corruption position and the same court he created was the one that convicted him.

I have normally been very impressed by the quality of wikipedia articles and this is the reason for me writing this comment. I really hope that someone who is "objective" can rewrite this article so I can see the "pros" and "cons" of former president Estrada and make a decision myself. I am very glad that this article has been identified as biased. I look forward to its rewrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.103.214.64 (talk) 12:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I am a Filipino, and I agree with you completely. This particular line most represents the inappropriate content to put in an encyclopedia article for me: "Joseph Estrada rose from obscurity to having been top Filipino film star, then hit the mark, by claiming the Presidency until destiny sent him to jail". The whole article is filled with melodramatic comments and soap-opera inspired writings. I won't make changes myself, since I'm not one who keeps track on my country's politics, but I will make changes wherever possible. --124.104.35.29 16:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

In fairness to Erap, I think the article should have a balanced entry on his achievements and on his misgivings. The section(s) focusing on his trial has too much detail but there is no section describing his achievements in politics. In fact, there was even no mention of his term as Vice-President. This article should be fixed to remove the bias expressed in style and content.--Mendz 12:03, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Vice President

Before he was President, he was the Vice-President. There should be mention of this in the article.--Mendz 11:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)