Talk:Tank Abbott

I've cleaned up this article. I'll leave the neutrality/cleanup tags on for a few days and if no one has any issues I'll remove them.Trench 19:58, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

• Content has been edited and neutrality tag is removed. Shawnc 11:18, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Record

UFC was reporting his record as something like 16-3. Why are they reporting something so drastically different than what's listed on the page?75.45.225.124 04:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

It's the name he fights and wrestles under, and is the most common google search result. He is not known by his middle initial. McPhail 17:51, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

I have moved this article from David "Tank" Abbott to David Abbott (Mixed martial artist) before because "Tank" was his nickname so that I thought it should not be contained in the name of the title. I have a question.Do you think it is suitable that the title can contain middle name of people like David "L" Abbott. In my oppinion, I suggest to move this article again from David L. Abbott to David Abbott (mixed martial artist) because that edition looks more natural. Yappakoredesho 21:04, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Discision

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Ryan Norton ^{T | @ | C} 11:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

If anyone still wants to move the page please post here. Shawnc 09:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I am in favor of moving to David Abbott (mixed martial artist). Reason 1: Google indicates that "David L. Abbott" or ""David L Abbott" is not commonly used to refer to this individual. Search ("David Abbott" Tank) returns 611 hits[1]. Search ("David L Abbott" Tank) returns 20 hits[2]. Reason 2:I am familiar with "David Abbott" but not "David L Abbott", nor have I heard of this reference.Shawnc 09:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Or maybe David Abbott (fighter), since the guy seems to have fought in more street brawls than professional matches. Does he even consider himself to be a "martial artist"? Shawnc 07:40, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

"Tank Abbott" has 48,800 hits. McPhail 02:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Since nick names are allowed (Wikipedia:Naming_conventions), I am in favor of Tank Abbott. Shawnc 08:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Tank is David Abbott's nick name, isnt it? I think Tank should not be in the title of article. The name of this article should be

• David Abbott (mixed martial artist)
• David Abbott (professional wrestler)
• David Abbott (fighter)

one of above three titles. --Yappakoredesho 20:53, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Nicknames are acceptable, according to this guideline:"The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name, even if this sounds awkward for those seeing the name the first time." (Didn't you create Musashi (kickboxer)? That's a nickname too).

Google test:

"David Abbott" +MMA (628 hits)

"Tank Abbott" +MMA -"David Tank Abbott" -"David Abbott" (15,100 hits).

Which name would other readers prefer? Shawnc 14:49, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Fight vs. Kimbo Slice

Someone needs to provide a link for the official announcement of this fight because other than the promoters saying "yeah this fight needs to happen" there's really no evidence. Especially since whoever added that part in made it sound so matter of fact. - Billy Button

November 10 on Showtime in the EliteXC Organization. I'll provide a link after I find it again. - KarWrek

Bench Press

The press was NOT improperly done. It was not done in a sanctioned powerlifting competition, it was done in the gym. If you have ever seen powerlifters work out, they often "bounce" when benching. Try it if you think it's much easier. The point is that they're working explosiveness. DB Dec 2, 2005

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 07:48, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

David L. Abbott → Tank Abbott – "David L. Abbott" returns 302 Google hits, "Tank Abbott" returns 81,700. McPhail 19:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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Oppose - I support making all wrestler articles titled as their real names with various gimmick names re-directing there. My thoughts on this can be read on Talk:Oscar Gutierrez --Naha|^(talk) 20:27, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) states that the page should at "the name that is most generally recognisable" and "

the name that is unambiguous with the name of other articles". Tank Abbott fulfils both of these criteria. Furthermore, Abbott does not have "various gimmick names", he has one, Tank. I don't think you've made a strong enough case to justify keeping the article at a name that has 302 Google hits compared to one with 81,700. The section under "Nick names, pen names, stage names, cognomens" states, "The most used name to refer to a person is generally the one that Wikipedia will choose as page name, even if this sounds awkward for those seeing the name the first time". Again, Tank Abbott fulfils this criteria. McPhail 15:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

What you have quoted regarding "naming conventions" is a guideline, not a policy, a guideline that I very much disagree with. You don't have to acccept my reasoning, but I've already stated it and don't feel I need to do so again. --Naha|^(talk) 17:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move (June 2007)

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The result of the proposal was move to Tank Abbott, per the discussion below. I have taken the previous discussions, which did not result in page moves, into account in this close. Dekimasuよ! 01:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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David L. Abbott → Tank Abbott — Third request - 671 hits for "David L. Abbott", 165,000 for "Tank Abbott". The latter is clearly a more sensible page title that will enable direct linking. McPhail 17:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC) —McPhail 17:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Survey

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• Support per WP:COMMONNAME.--ShelfSkewed Talk 20:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. hateless 21:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support He is far better known as Tank Abbott. TJ Spyke 22:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• Comment if you search "David L. Abbott" without the quotation marks, it returns 1,390,000, while Tank Abbott returns only 967,000. "Tank Abbott wrestler street fighter" returns 50,200 while "David L. Abbott wrestler street fighter" returns 65,700. (Wikimachine 02:22, 4 June 2007 (UTC))

• Without quotes those searches would skew that way simply because David is a much more common word than tank. David: 504 million hits. tank: 114 million. Try it with quotes around the name but not the other words. "Tank Abbott" + wrestler + street + fighter: 879 hits. "David L. Abbott" + wrestler + street + fighter: 27 hits--and 19 of those are for the Wikipedia article & mirrors. --ShelfSkewed Talk 03:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

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Fighting Style

Pitfighting is NOT a fighting style. Its a another term to described MMA aka Vale Tudo aka Freestyle fighting which is a SPORT which contains a variety of FIGHTING STYLES.

His style could accurately be described as 'Brawling' since he generally expresses no characteristics of the 'traditional' martial arts when fighting.