Talk:Chris Jericho

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Stats

Jericho is more like 5 ft 10 in rathee than 6 ft 0 in.(Halbared 16:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

CWA as in Canadian Wrestling Alliance, or Continental Wrestling Alliance? And as for the WWA link, you might want to link to the full federation name...

A lot of that was ambiguous because I simply didn't know. I've done some more digging and I think I've fixed it all. It has room for a lot more detail but I don't want to just do pro-wrestling (it doesn't reflect well!) -- rparle 04:11, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Changed Moongoose to Mongoose. Simple spelling mistake. --Fergdude33 16:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, if you have the Jericho VHS the WWF released, he is called MOONgoose, as in the object orbiting Earth and the bird.

Should be moved

This article should be moved to Christopher Irvine. I would hardly expect to find Patrick Stewart under Jean-Luc Picard Duke toaster 19:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC).

Nope. There's a naming controversy regarding professional wrestlers, but the analogy is flawed. Unlike in other media, professional wrestlers regularly use their stage names outside of wrestling events, as is the case with Chris Jericho. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

There's a world of difference between Star Trek and wrestling. Anyone with a brain can tell you that it's flat out disrespectful to refer to wrestlers by their real names if they go by a ring name. So, no, it should stay right here. 65.189.210.173 19:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, you only really talk about a wrestler's real name if there has been some sort of controversy over naming (such as Jason Reso as Christian or Christian Cage), or if they have been multiple names over their career (such as Adam Copeland (Edge) before he came to the WWE). Jericho has been some incarnation of Jericho since almost the time that he started wrestling. Furthermore, they don't interview him on TV as Chris Irvine.Shrekums 00:46, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

While I generally agree that wrestlers' articles should be at their real names, there's not nearly the difference between, say, Mark Calaway and The Undertaker (that move was just silly) that there is between Chris Irvine and Chris Jericho. Even someone like Konnan has been regularly using that name outside wrestling (i.e. recent TV news show interviews). 69.7.37.69 09:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Born Again?

I don't think Jericho is a born again Christian. He was always a Christian as his Dad mention in an interview once that Chris was always very serious about his religion.

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I've seen other Christian wrestlers refer to Jericho as a Christian and a born-again Christian, but I can't remember if I've seen Jericho himself call himself a born-again Christian. It's a gray area at best. Bcarlson33 02:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Born again Christian is the same as Christian.--66.146.59.114 21:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

not really. yes, they do practice the same faith, but being a born again Christian is saying that the person didn't always practice Christianity. I think the question of his religion was if he was raised Christian or if he found Jesus as an adult. I really don't know either way, the only things I've read that he wrote (about his religion) was in the Q&A section of www.chrisjericho.com it said -

(Q)"I heard from someone you're a practising Christian. Is that true?

(A)I do the best that I can.

CJ" " and (Q)"I wanted to ask you if you believe in guardian angels?

-Charlene

(A)I believe in Jesus and he's my guardian angel, so yes I do.

CJ"

this really only proves that he is a Christian now, whether he is born again, I dont know Katie 23:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that is incorrect. Stating that one is a "born-again" Christian does not imply that they were not always a Christian. For example, current US President George Walker Bush states that he is a born-again Christian, yet he has been a Christian for the vast majority of his life. Born-again implies some.... epiphany of faith, so to speak. -Darryl Hamlin 05:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Born again simply means they have had a baptism. You can be a Christian all your life and when you are baptised you are "born again". Simple as that. The idea being that when you go under the water your old self dies and you are born again. You don't have to have an epiphany.

Right, it does not mean that a person was a Christian, stopped, and became a Christian again.

While Catholics believe so, for other denominations, it doesn't even require baptism. Being born again is a simple confirmation of one's Christianity. It is believed that every person is born as a sinner; to be saved, one must be born again - becoming a "new creation" by acknowledging faith in God and expressing a resolve to live a Christian life (thus departing from the former life of sin). In John 3, Jesus outlines this idea: "Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born again."

Back to the original question - the interview confirms that Jericho is a Christian. (As explained, the term "born again Christian" is redundant). - Slow Graffiti 08:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Jericho's 18 minute reign

Look, I'm not trying to get some sort od debate started, but since the WWE doesn't recognize Jericho as the champion after his win over Triple H, then it shouldn't be listed. I know that it doesn't make a whole lotta sense, particularly considering that Andre The Giant only held the title for about a minute before "selling" it to Ted DiBiase back in 1988, but that's how the WWE has decided to do it. So, since it's not WWE canon, adding Jericho's 18 minute reign into the section of championship accomplishments wouldn't be accurate. Odin's Beard 00:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Cut from Article

If true, this edit should not overwrite the Early Career section.

Jericho's Undisputed Title Reign (Controversy)

Hello all.

I've added a quote from the book "The Death of the World Wrestling Federation", which - it should be noted - claims to have taken various sources & accounts directly from backstage sources.

McMahon was said to have passed a pretty negative remark regarding his reign as Undisputed champion, which I have added to the main article (and backed it up with a source). However, to take the harsh edge off the comment (and to open up the fact that many fans sympathise with Y2J's situation), I've also added that many fans feel it was due to his poor booking.

Since reading it back, I took it from the main article to the 'Trivia' page (where it probably feels out of place actually), but have since moved it back, this time placing it within brackets.

I haven't added a source for that in particular, but I know various forums have threads dedicated to it. Should I reference it?

Jericho / WCW Champion

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't The Rock the last WCW World Champion? He held it on the night of Survivor Series 2001 if I'm correct (when it was still the WCW World Championship)

It was only the next night on RAW (following WCW's 'defeat') that Vince renamed it the 'World' Championship

(I don't know if people are confused by the fact that he held the belt itself during his Undisputed run? It wasn't the WCW Championship during this era, and even if one *were* to count that belt as the WCW belt, then Triple H was in fact the last guy to hold the 'dual belt' structure prior to Ric Flair's unveiling of the new 'Undisputed' belt)

Chris Jericho was the last man to hold the WCW Championship before it was unified with the WWF Championship because he defeated The Rock first so until the end of the Stone Cold vs. Jericho match Jericho was considered the WCW Champion so at the end of the match he was known as the Undisputed Champion. And they used the 2 physical belts until they gave Triple H the new title belt but Jericho is considered the last WCW Champion.

Vengeance 2001 never once uses the term WCW Championship and, unless I'm very much mistaken, there is no reference to WCW at all, except perhaps in regards to Ric Flair. If I still have the DVD, I'll take a screengrab of the Rock's nameplate, which I KNOW says simply "World Champion." Nosleep1234 15:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

It was the WCW title, renamed the World Championship after WCW/ECW lost at Survivor Series, the losing entity would cease to exist. Regardless of them not using WCW in reference to the title at Vengeance, it's the same title with a different name, there isn't any debate here. TonyFreakinAlmeida 22:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep. I'm satisfied with how this article, WWE Vengeance#2001, WCW World Heavyweight Championship, and List of WCW World Heavyweight Champions all read. I still don't think Jericho should be considered the last WCW champion, but that's a losing battle. Nosleep1234 15:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Where the hell is he from?

I've heard alot of people call jericho canadian and alot of people call him american, now im not sure which is correct. In his wrestlemania 19 bout against shawn michaels,jim ross credited him as being born in new your, yet lillian garcia announced him as being from winepega canada, and in the beggining of this article it says he is a canadian former wrestler, and yet it goes onto say he was born in new york, surely if he was born in new york that would make him american,so could anyone please clear this up for me??

Chris Jericho was born in New York because his father, Ted Irvine, was playing for the New York Rangers at the time, and since it was during the NHL season, the family was living on Long Island during the season. Since Jericho was born in the United States, he automatically acquired American citizenship upon birth. Furthermore, since Jericho's parents were both Canadian, Jericho also acquired Canadian citizenship upon birth,as well. Therefore, he is a dual citizen of both the United States and Canada. So, the answer to your question is that he is both Canadian and American. However, although Jericho was born in the United States, he actually grew up in Canada. He spent his childhood and early adult life in Canada. He was raised in Winnipeg and later moved to Calgary to train to become a professional wrestler. While in WCW, he decided to move to Florida because of the difficulty of the travel schedule. Nevertheless, while Jericho is a dual citizen, he considers himself Canadian more than anything else. Moreover, when WWE started billing him from New York, Jericho openly spoke about being upset with the company decision, and stated that he will always be from Winnipeg, as well as, be proud to be Canadian.

Senorcanadiense 05:10, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

So then shouldnt he be credited as a canadian american rather than an american, i mean even though he doesnt like it, its still true.

No, because the term Canadian-American would suggest that Jericho is a Canadian that moved and is now living in the US. He was only born in the US, the majority of his life was spent in Canada and he considers himself to be Canadian. vDub 02:54, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

He should be referred to as an American, because it's the country of his birth, the city he was born in if you play enough of the SvR games with him in it you often hear Lillian Garcia say he's from Manhasset (sp.?), NY which sounds a lot like Manhattan until you do a C-A-W and go under New York -> Cities -> Manhasset. So he's technically American even if most of his life was spent in Canada. Adg2k7 20:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Protection

The article has been protected and will remain so until such time that people cease adding unsourced speculation with regards to Jericho's potential employment status in sports entertainment. Wikipedia is not a rumor site. Iff Jericho is hired by either WWE or TNA (or whomever), and only when the hiring organization makes an official statement to the effect or Jericho shows up on TV, then, and only then, will any information about his wrestling status be added to the article. For several months, many people have seen fit to add rumors and gossip about this matter, and this will not stand.

Additionally, many more folks have seen fit to use this talk page to speculate about his status, which is not the appropriate forum. All the junk has been removed from this page. Any attempt to try to discuss anything other than improving the article will be removed. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum for spreading rumors we have all been hearing. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

And now I've had to semi-protect this talk page because some anons were insistent on using this talk page as a forum for discussing things other than the improvement of the article. Talk pages are for discussing improvements to articles, not for discussing and analyzing viral marketing campaigns that may or may not be irrelevant to the subject of the article. Period. Both protection expire the evening of October 7. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 09:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I understand your concern that this will become nothing more than a gossip board. However, if there is significant talk in the wrestling community about the save_us.222 being the return of Jericho to WWE, shouldn't there be, at the very least, a tiny blurb on the main page indicating something like, "On September 24, 2007, a video entitled save_us.222 was shown on WWE Monday Night Raw. While nothing has been confirmed, as this was a teaser video, many fans speculate that there are a high number of 'clues' within the video that point to the possible return of Jericho to the WWE."? I understand you protecting it, but seeing as how it is a big deal in the wrestling community, acknowledging that there are rumors floating about is not promoting the rumors.Shrekums 02:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I second this, as Jericho has this on his myspace page now, along with the newer clips from this past week's RAW Guns2006 12:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Chris Jericho doesnt have a Myspace, he mentioned on a radio interview that when his radio show was cancelled he stopped using the URL, Someone bought it and used the picture that used to be on his myspace. So anything on his "SO CALLED MYSPACE" is all bogus.

Wikipedia does not publish unverified speculation, which is all this is. End of story. When Jericho returns, and save_us.222 is proven to be connected, (which is likely to be the case in my opinion, but by no means certain) then it would be appropriate to mention. The pages remain protected until such time that WWE or Jericho make an announcement or Jerricho appears on WWE television. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

In the mean time, will you please fix the article? Right now there are two ugly problems with it. 1 being a red-linked image in the personal information section (which I was right in the middle of doing when you protected it, but was stopped was protection was enabled) and there is a error in the references section: 'Cite error 8; No text given.' is what appears. — Moe ε 00:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Jericho does not have a MySpace page. That was a hoax.Shrekums 03:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

You guys may want to consider extending the protection since nothing has come out of the videos/Jericho on the No Mercy show. --Raderick 06:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping to avoid that, but the second protection expired, people began inserting unverified rumors and speculation about Save_us.blahblahblah. Considering someone else actually suggested re-protecting, I have done so. The article is now full-protected again until Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:45:00 GMT (that's just after the end of Cyber Sunday).

As before, the protection will be removed earlier iff WWE or Jericho officially make an announcement. And once again, I cannot make this clearer, this talk page will be locked too if people continue trying to turn this into a message board. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

why is it wrong to post about save_us_222. I mean there is enough proof from that video to say WWE is bringing him back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.35.219 (talk) 15:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I think it should be okay to talk about the huge fan-belief that the 222 vids could be a sign to a return - I don't beleive that it's wise to say it IS just yet, though, as there has been no comfirmation. Telling that he is the most likely reason shouldn't mis-lead anyone. 69.246.188.138 00:50, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Once again, until either the WWE or Chris Jericho makes it known that Jericho is behind the videos, or if he returns at all, it should not be mentioned in the article. Otherwise it's just speculation. --Raderick 23:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Any thought about extending the protection again...?--Raderick 04:23, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it can be avoided. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it is now protected again. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 21:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

How about we give "Save_Us 222" it's own page? It IS a WWE-produced spot, it's been acknowledged on telivision, it's had multiple versions, why not document the promo if not the return of Jericho? --Dr. R.K.Z 18:49, 29th October 2007

No. Such an article has already been deleted, and Wikipedia has standards of inclusion that a minor series of short promotional advertisements as part of a poorly executed attempt at a viral marketing campaign cannot meet. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok this is beyond speculation now, the latest "save us" video showed the caption "Break_The_Walls" its obvious now. Jericho is returning next week on Raw. Jay794 12:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Did it say "Chris Jericho is returning next week on RAW"? Has WWE or Jericho made an announcement? As noted repeatedly above, until that happens, or until Jericho appears, it stays out. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 12:29, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Magazine

Folks, yes, I've seen the magazine on several websites, and as I have stated repeatedly, I have believed from day one that he was the target of the save_us videos, BUT... WWE has not made an official announcement. Jericho has not made an official announcement. Until such time that either makes an announcement, lay off with the questions about when we will mention it, because we won't. Period. This WILL NOT CHANGE. Abuse of this will lead to this talk page being protected. Thanks... --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

His Book?

Should his book that he has written A Lion's Tale : Around the World in Spandex be in Other media? --Wally787 07:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it should. Indeed, there is likely a fair amount of biographical information in the book that could be added to the article. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, it should be mentioned that Jericho granted an interview to Pro Wrestling Insider magazine with regards to his new book, his band, and his future in pro wrestling.Adg2k7 20:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

He's granted literally dozens of interviews to TV and radio stations. Not notable by itself. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 20:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Leapfrog body guillotine to an opponent draped over the second rope, preceded by theatrics

Why isn't this on his moves list? He used it in practically every match dating back to at least 2002. TheHeartbreakKid15 00:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Save_Us.222

He's behind it, so I think it should be mentioned. If you don't believe me, I have proof.