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Cheese and Brassens

The fromage box is from the French Wikipedia. I "substed" it so I could change it to link to the English cheese page instead of the French cheese portal. Yes, the French have a whole portal about cheese! The substing created an alarming amount of code, which you're welcome to copy, but I'm sure there's a much simpler way to recreate it. I hope that helps.

P.S. I see your French is better than mine--if you feel like it, check out the translation of George Brassens (the one linked to in the translation box, not the current article). I've been slowly working on it. I'm mostly trying to get it wikified, but I'm sure the syntax is weird in a few places. My best friend used to live in Sète, or I never would have heard of him... Katr67 01:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Brassens article, I'd like to help, but I'm not sure how soon I can. For now I'll print out the working English translation and go read it over a cup of coffee. Thanks for the cheese tip! -Eric ^(talk) 14:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you have a fairly recent copy of Word? It would be easiest for me to post my changes in a Word doc set to track changes. I'm watching this page. -Eric ^(talk) 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I did some revision of the working draft. I'm going to assume you have Word and am posting it here link deleted by Katr67 (can you please delete this link after you get the doc?--thanks). I put translation notes at the top of the Word doc. The track changes function in Word lets you accept/reject changes as you read (right-click for options). Let me know if you're not familiar with this tool or don't have Word. -Eric ^(talk) 20:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I love track changes. Sign up as one of the proofreaders of that article if you want. BTW, I believe Wikipedia style is to always go with British style when it comes to punctuation with quotations, and I would tend to use British English anyway on a French translation because they use British English there. At least my friend who's a translator does, but she deals with more Brits than Americans. Katr67 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Sorry if I was out of line creating the new section! I'll take down the doc unless you want me to leave it up. -Eric ^(talk) 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can take it down. No worries about the section, I was about to create one when I experienced the edit conflict with you and accidentally left both versions up. All better now. Katr67 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean now--I thought you had accidentally deleted some stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer to maintain the threads on my talk page myself. Thanks. Katr67 20:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize that I was in the edit conflict, but I get it now. I'll be gone to work all week (and should not be on WP then!) but let me know if you have a question about the translation and I'll work it into a coffee break... -Eric ^(talk) 20:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Just a couple more pages to go on 2nd half of Brassens. -Eric ^(talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi- I finished revising Brassens, but can't poke through the firewall at work to upload it. I'll do that Friday night. -Eric ^(talk) 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Here it is--hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions. -Eric ^(talk) 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Can you let me know when you've got the doc? I'll watch here--thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 13:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Sorry, you can take it down now. Skimming, I can see you cleared up some really weird things--"police killing women"? As far as double spaces, they don't make a difference to the wiki software, so though I'm a single space gal myself, I try to resist fixing too many of them. Thanks again! I should be working on a real world volunteer editing gig right now, so it may be a little while until I am able to incorporate your changes. I'll let you know if I have any questions. I may see if my friend is available to help with some of the lyrics as well. Katr67 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and let me know if you need more help with the lyrics--I have a professor friendwho is a Brassens fan as I recall, and I'll bet he'd be happy to help. -Eric ^(talk) 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr- Did everyone like the proofread of the Brassens article? Should we update it to 100%? Please let me know what's up, okay? Thanks. -Eric ^(talk) 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel)

Since I believe you did some work on the novel and being from Eugene I'm sure you read it, is it really based on the prison in Pendleton as it says at the beginning of the plot summary? Kesey worked at an asylum in CA, and I recall the novel set somewhere in the valley. So do you think this might be some Eastern Oregon urban legend, or is there truth to the matter? Thanks. Aboutmovies 23:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm. I've always heard it was based on the Oregon State Hospital. (And yes, people think Kesey actually worked there, but no, it was my mom who did for a few months. She has good stories.) I've never heard the Eastern Oregon State Hospital mentioned. I didn't know EOSH turned into a prison, I'll have to check, sometimes people think they're the same thing. (And probably metaphorically speaking they're sometimes right)... I don't believe it says where it is in the novel except Oregon, though they do go to the coast (in the movie it was Depoe Bay) so I'd assume in the valley. I'll see if I can find my copy when I get home. Katr67 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That and they talk about people coming down from Portland (hookers and such), which I know people are bad with geography, but that would seem odd to talk about people coming down to Pendleton from Portland. And for the coast trip they cross the Siuslaw River, which seems a bit south to go if coming from Pendleton as well. Aboutmovies 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

West Union

Absolutely no hurry, but when you have a chance could you check OGN to see how accurate this info is. West Union accounts for three redlinks at the Hillsboro article, so sometime before the end of the year I'll put something together. Thanks. Aboutmovies 07:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's accurate. OGN doesn't mention them being the first white folks, and has a better quotation about the name. I can make a stub as soon as I take care of Cave Junction. Scottsburg, Oregon showed up overnight, by the way. Katr67 14:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've got a few other sources for West Union too. That Scottsburg article is one of the sadest stubs I've seen. Aboutmovies 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dinos and size

I took a look at the dino people, and the article size list would be interesting. I don't know how much it would help in the FA drive, but it wouldn't hurt. I think the reason the dino WP is successful with the FA process is it appears they work together on prepping the articles, which likely means more participation at the FA review point. I think the OSC failed only due to lack of support, not because it wasn't quality. After the first nom I thought the WPOR problem was cooperation, which is why I started the COTW, so we'll see how it goes now with the 2nd nomination. If that doesn't get the job done, then I don't know what will. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a "I like it this way better" versus "this part doesn't meet the MOS," which is what it is supposed to be about, otherwise it will never pass since everyone has a their own style preferences. At least that's my two cents. So, how would we get a list by article size? Aboutmovies 18:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: CDPs

(discussion moved to Category talk:Census-designated places in Oregon—mostly for a lasting visible record. —EncMstr 07:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, EM. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

One more thing sortof on this subject: since you've done at least some work with the county templates, would you be willing to create templates for Clatsop and Columbia Counties? I've placed templates for twenty counties, and the other fourteen have templates that I'm looking to place. Nyttend 13:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There aren't any yet? I counted 34, how many counties do we have anyway? Where did they go? One person did a couple then somebody else did the rest in a couple big pushes... I need coffee... And no, the only thing I did was change the color to match the first ones made. Someone had started making them bright yellow like California's... Katr67 15:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm better now. I know we have 36 counties, and when I went through adding WP:ORE tags to all of the ones Floydspinky71 created, I could swear he had finished making all of them. Why don't you ask him first? You see, last night I tried to make the tinest table showing the official UO colors, and even that was aggravating. I gotta stick with what I know... Ah but I see he hasn't edited for a few days. Finals probably. Maybe I can work on it tonight, today won't be good, the screaming from my cubicle would give me away. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Aha, sorry, you spoke about the templates so without looking at their history I assumed that you had produced them. I myself don't know much about template syntax; just take one that still exists and replace the current lines with the new ones, say replace all instances of "Clackamas County" with "Columbia County", "Oregon City" with the name of the county seat, and so on. That's all I do, and I know it works for me. By the way, about Mount Hood Village/Villages at Mount Hood: since it's now an official governmental body, at least to some extent, is there any reason to keep it at the current title? To me it would seem more sensible to call the entire article "Villages at Mount Hood, Oregon". Nyttend 21:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone had made one or two that matched the {{Oregon}} template, then Floyds came along and started doing them in yellow like California's, so I put a stop to that, that's about I all I did. I'm rather indifferent to templates, but I try to keep them herded together when they arrive. I know I could copy and paste, I'll see how I feel about getting into the busywork zone tonight. Right now I have a raging headache... Re:Villages: I'm not convinced merging the two Mount Hood Whatever articles was a good idea, (the same issues with what the boundaries are--see the talk page), but the page rename makes sense, especially since I imagine at the next census the CDP "Mount Hood Village" would go away? Have you seen any other former CDP articles? (pretty unlikely since Wiki has only been around since 2002 or so, but wait, I guess there's a whole category about them: Category:Former census-designated places) How was this handled? The only other one I can think of is Santa Clara, Eugene, Oregon, which is now considered a neighborhood of Eugene, so very little needed to be said about its CDP status. BTW, we should discuss the whole ghost town thing--I started another topic at the CDP talk page. Katr67 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Minoru Yasui

This is my next GA project. When you have a chance could you look trough and tag anything needing citations, note anywhere where info seems to be needed/expand/explained. Working on this and the related articles has made it difficult to see the trees through the forest and remember what I wrote where and where I found that info. Thanks. No hurry, it will not be until after finals that I nom at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've finished sourcing everything, I think, so if you could look through it and prep it for GA it would be appreciated. Aboutmovies (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I may not get to it until Monday, I've got holiday stuff to attend to and there's a disturbance in the force around here... Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I couldn't resist taking a peek... OK, I know you didn't write it, but why does the infobox say "Resting place"? I thought we didn't use euphemisms? Shouldn't it be "Burial place" or "Buried" or "Interred at" or ??? "Religious stance" strikes me as odd as well. Why not just "religion"? Katr67 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess not everyone is buried, but it still seems odd... Katr67 (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport

Hiya, great work on the airport articles, as usual. One thing, this article says it's 9 miles NW of Eugene?! Judging by the coords and my personal experience, the heliport is right on the roof of Sacred Heart Medical Center, which puts it squarely in Eugene. (The hospital is on the edge of the University of Oregon campus.) Could you double check your sources? Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good day! Yeah, I pulled my data from the FAA so no doubt there are quite a few errors. In dealing with a database there is always Garbage In, Garbage Out from those who have typed it in. When I pulled the spreadsheets from them I had to go go through and correct a bunch of errors (typos, names, etc...) but some of the raw numbers are hard to pick up with the ol' mark one eyeball. Feel free to correct 'em as you find them. I just wanted to make sure I got at least a little something started on them then let all the real pros out there help fill in the blanks. Thanks for the catch! --Trashbag (talk) 21:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

J.N. Teal

Thanks for your note, these early businessmen like J.N. Teal would need a chapter of their own to cover, business methods were pretty piratical back in those days.Mtsmallwood (talk) 08:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

New Year COTW from WP:ORE

Happy New Year to all the Oregon WikiProject People. A big round of applause for everyone last year, we got a lot done. A thank you to everyone who helped with the last Collaboration of the Week, I saw a large number of articles in the unassessed section and our total number of articles is over 5000 (we were around 4000 in June when the assessment program finished the initial run) so I know at one person was busy tagging. This week we are back to a High importance Stub article the one and only max security prison, first prison, and only one with a death row in the state, the Oregon State Penitentiary. Then, by request we have one of the most prolific ballot measure sponsors in Mr. Bill Sizemore. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

category discussion

I am sorry i was being unnecessarily argumentative and personal in my recent discussion about District of Columb. category renaming. I regret, myself, butting in; i should just go back to editing articles about historic sites which is what i like to do. Sincerely, doncram (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

ColumbiaSoft

The article on ColumbiaSoft presents no bias or advertising and all facts are supported. If you still feel this way please explain why.

Regards, Mrtriviamaniacman— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:09, January 8, 2008 (UTC)

Hint: Just type 4 tildes: ~~~~. Katr67 (talk) 21:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The bit about the dollar amount of the average order concerns me. It may be backed with sources (I didn't check the refs) but how is this encyclopedic? It seems like an attempt to "sell" the company a bit. I'll admit I'm biased against anything smacking of advertising in this article, because it was created by Anvil Media, of which ColumbiaSoft is a client. I'm going to assume you have some sort of vested interest in the company as well? Forgive me if this isn't so. Please read our conflict-of-interest guidelines and also our business FAQ so you can learn more about how our articles are supposed to be neutral and not for advertising. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm also suspcious because this user: Triviamaniacman23 (talk · contribs) (You?) added links to ColumbiaSoft at the top of a couple lists. Very bad form and makes people look a lot more closely at your edits. Remember Wikipedia is not here to help you promote your business. Katr67 (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your concern is understandable. I don't believe that posting revenue amount based on order size sells anything. It gives an understanding of a private company's revenue in addition to providing insight into the consumer demographic. It's no different than a public company reporting its revenues or the sales price of business to consumer product. Isn't the IPhone page more of a sales page by providing all the latest features and interfaces? Isn't that propaganda. ColumbiaSoft's figures are substantiated and backed by a notable publication. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrtriviamaniacman (talk • contribs) 21:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I made some changes to make it look a little less ad like. Please note, try not to compare articles unless those articles are what we call Featured Articles, as just because one article looks a certain why does mean it should look that way. You know, well if all your friends were jumping off a bridge... On a side note, as it is now, I don't know if the article would survive a deletion debate as only two of the articles really satisfy the notability guideline, with the second PBJ article about the founder being what we classify as trivial coverage of the company (its about him and not so much ColumbiaSoft). I'd try to find a source or two more that meet WP:RS and are independent of the company (i.e. no press releases or reprints of press releases). Trade magazines are often a good place to look. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

THX

Thank you for your change to the Gary Forrester article. We missed that one! Are you in Oregon, by any chance? If so, are you familiar with the Grand Ronde and Klamath tribes? It's a great story. Anyway, all the best from New Zealand.--Strapping.jofus (talk) 07:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon

What exactly is WikiProject Oregon? I am a proud Oregonian and may be interested in helping. By the way, I apologize for vandalising the other user's page, it was foolish. Your friend, Creamy3 Creamy3 (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

re: Falling Up

No, no specific reason. I just hate there being large templates on article talk pages... that's about it. I won't delete it again, my apologies for inconveniencing you, that was pretty immature. :) Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 05:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Your Talk Page

This talk page is becoming very long. Please consider archiving. ✬Dillard421✬ ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:47, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I know how to archive, but thanks. I'll do it when I get around to it. Cheers. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Climate

I will provide links to the Weather channel charts for average highs and lows for those cities. thanks! Strongbad1982 (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, many of the cities in Oregon do not fit neatly into one single climate zone. This is why I noted in the articles on those cities that the Willamette valley possesses a Marine west coast climate but has some characteristics of a Mediterranean climate, notably the drier summer season. I will clean up later today by adding links to temperature tables on the weather channel website. Thanks!

Strongbad1982 (talk) 20:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

cool

I would leave you a long thank-you note for contacting Alex, but this talk page is way too long already... --Esprqii (talk) 19:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

hello, sorry, trying to revise and explain

hi, um, i'm really bad at this, but i'm trying to both post revisions in the articles and write on your project or whatever it's called at the same time, so please wait if possible like at least an hour. i'm not a vandal, just give me a chance as i've been doing this after work for days, thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 00:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

i'm still trying to write something for the wp:ore place

hello again, i noticed that since i tried to message you or whatever it's called, you posted another comment about me on the wikiproject oregon page again. i was right in the middle of writing something there for a couple of hours until you contacted me, then somehow i lost what i was writing on that page for everyone to see at the same time that i was posting new templates newer more conciliatory templates. i know everyone has equal access on here as long as they behave, and i assure you i'm neither a vandal nor indifferent to the perceptions of others, but now it might take me hours more to try to rewrite what i was doing as i was both doing it and going over how i got to be there. oregon is a great place and i like it a lot, so i thought it deserved something better, so i respectfully request that i be given a bit longer to post something relevant and detailed to your concerns. thanks. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, nobody's out to get you and I doubt anything will happen without a discussion, but up until you contacted me, your behavior had us puzzled. I'm glad you finally decided to communicate. I didn't see your post here until I posted on the project page--that was just to notify the other WikiProject members what was going on. I'm not the only one who has a say, I'm just on a lot and watchlist a ton of stuff, so I noticed your edit summary messages. Sorry you lost your post on the WikiProject page--that always sucks. If you're worried about losing posts, write them in a text-editing program like Word and then paste them into the edit box when you're done. If there was an edit conflict when you tried to post, usually you can hit your browser's "back" button and copy what you wrote (that works in Firefox anyway, I seem to recall having more problems with losing text when using Explorer), and paste it onto the latest version of the page. I hope this helps. We look forward the discussion. Katr67 (talk) 02:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hubert, not to sound to judgmental here, but why should we trust you? We have been trying for days to get your attention, yet you continued with your ways. Even after posting above, you then (instead of continuing the discussion you asked for) went back and edited the templates again with your OWN like message. Honestly, what reason can you give us for going in and editing, and then telling other people not to change those edits. At this point we have had several conversations between a number of editors and the consensus was the status quo. If you are at all serious about cooperation I would ask that you return the templates to their state prior to your first edits, and then discuss the issue. These templates have been edited continually in the past to update them, so we are willing to listen to changes. But your behavior has been less than desirable in this episode and has (at least for me) been frustrating and bought you a whole lot of ill will. Trust me, I want the coverage to improve on Oregon history, that's why I have written well over 100 articles on the topic and worked to improve a handful to GA status. But I try to work with the community and respond to objections. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

hello i'm right here now almost done with my post

hi, i'm doing this now and i'm almost there. yes i know about edit wars, they can be nasty and i've gotten more trouble out of them than you can imagine. hang on, my miniature manifesto regarding all things oregon history on the wp:ore talk page is just about there. patience if not grace, that's me. yeah right. Hubertfarnsworth (talk) 03:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Move request

Hi, I am curious as to why you reverted my edit at WP:RM.

The section on controversial/contested moves is usually used for items that have previously appeared in the Uncontroversial section and someone thinks that it is not an uncontroversial move and so relocates it in the controversial/contested section.

Normal full moves, controversial or not, are dropped into the dated sections. The item in question looked like a full move and so should appear in the dated section. It may be controversial but that will be apparent when the closing admin looks at the discussion on the articles talk page. Keith D (talk) 17:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Carpenter Gothic -> Carpenter Gothic architecture

Hi Katr67. I support the move, there is a surver on the talk page Talk:Carpenter Gothic. CApitol3 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I'm not sure why you're telling me this. I just put the page move up for discussion as a procedural thing, and the discussion should take place there. It's not a vote or a contest or anything and nothing against anyone who opposes the move. I'm also not sure what you mean by "surver"? I guess I'll go look at the page... Katr67 (talk) 15:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Ohhhh. Survey. Yes, it's there because I put it there. :) Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Stumptown Coffee - your suggestion

Hello, I'm relatively new to wikipedia and I tried updating Stumptown Coffee Roasters entry to bring it in line with the guidelines, but user: Thamusemeantfan, deleted all of my edits without adding to the discussion page. What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion? Squitringo1234 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been kind of watching that article and it's sort of a train wreck, isn't it? I've been avoiding it for that reason. Let me take a look and get back to you. Katr67 (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As I've said, I'm not entirely sure of the protocol for this type of situation. I'm fine if there is more info on that page (though I don't think it deserves anymore), but its definitely not satisfactory the way it is now. Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts about Stumptown? Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have a short attention span these days. My thoughts? Yes that article is indeed a train-wreck. :) Did you hear back from the other editor? If you'd like to try to update the article, I'll back you up. There's no need for sentences like "The coffee is remarkable for the strength and thickness of its 'standard' brew, probably owing to a policy of serving French pressed coffee for its standard brew." In fact, I'll go take that out right now. Katr67 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

So, I applied.

Might even have a slight inside track, too. Thanks again!! -Pete (talk) 00:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Kick ass! I hope you get it! I've got 'til Friday, but hopefully will mostly finish up today. Say....you any good at evaluating application materials? Most people I show stuff to say "Oh this is great, I'd hire you!" and they don't find the typos. I need to find a couple cruel and ruthless proofreaders. I deserve it. ;) Katr67 (talk) 00:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Send it on over. -Pete (talk) 00:14, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh great. Pressure. :P Katr67 (talk) 00:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

No, pressure is 5:00 rapidly approaching. I am officially de-wikifying…now! Catch ya soon, -Pete (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Rats I was going to ask you to look over Rey Ramsey and the talk page. Maybe AM will catch it... Are you there AM? Katr67 (talk) 00:24, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh, what?! I'm awake, I was just resting my eyes. Left a note there, hopefully that helped. Can I apply too? I don't know what it is for, but I'm hoping its free ice cream, preferably chocolate. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm planning to sell my soul to the devil; Pete is going for a position that will rocket him to fame and fortune. I don't think there's ice cream in hell, but Pete can fill you in if he is successful. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet tags

I see that you replaced those sock puppet tags. I was the one who erased them (I forgot to sign in). Overall I guess I don't care but I just don't see why you think they have to be there any way. They are dead sock puppets. They are not going to be unblocked just because I removed the tag after all this time. I can't find anything in Wikipedia rules that says they have to remain on the user pages. Please respond on my talk page.Richprentice (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Hi. Trying to get my attention? FYI, I asked about your question elsewhere, if I get a response, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I usually treat all anon blanking without an edit summary as vandalism. Why don't you move on and concentrate on editing articles? Katr67 (talk) 23:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

You say you don't want to interact with me- but if you follow me around and revert trivial things you should expect me to ask you to defend your action. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richprentice (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Please learn to sign your posts. That was yesterday, this is today. As I explained, I will follow any anon vandals I please. I have no further plans to interact with you. Now please do not post on my talk page anymore. Good luck and good day. Katr67 (talk) 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Removing the tags from the user page was not vandalism. It, in fact is allowed as you have discovered yourself in your efforts to pigion me. You are alleging that the user page is mine so then I can do what ever I wan't with my own user page (like blank it). Its the same as if i started messing with your user page (give me a break!). Also I could make a very good case that your en mass reverts on the NYPIRG page last month was in fact vandalism on your part. If you don't wan't to talk to me then stop accusing me vandalising what is said to be my own page. How old are you anyway? I don't want to talk to you anymore- Ive got better things to do today! Richprentice (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

Uh, yeah, except…apparently you don't. Hope your wikilawyering is entertaining to you Rich, because I can't imagine it's too convincing to anyone else. And, am I seeing things, or did you actually just interpret my reply to Katr's comment as somehow reinforcing your position?? -Pete (talk) 02:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Pete: In response to your question- If someone is going to blindly revert stuff they are going to have to explain it. You, nor any one else can find any rule that that tag can not be removed from that page. Sorry Pete "Its just common sence" doesn't cut the mustard. With that logic you wouldn't even need a rule book- (why have rules that are not common sense?) That means I could arbitrate this point and probably win... BUT the truth is that I really honestly don't care. Richprentice (talk) 03:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Richprentice

(edit conflict) Feel free to report me for vandalism. Here is the link: WP:AIV. An anonymous IP deleted content without an explanation. That's vandalism. How was I supposed to know that was you? That is all I meant by "anonymous" and "vandalism". I said I wouldn't interact with you anymore. I tend to keep my word. In other words: Do whatever the fuck you want, OK? I'm 40 years old and I'm again politely requesting that you don't post on my page anymore. If you'd like to continue the discussion with Pete, please take it to his page. Good day to you sir. Katr67 (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oregon GA COTW

Howdy to WikiProject Oregon members, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. As you may have already noticed, our flagship article Oregon is up for the third time as we make a push to get WP:GA status before going for WP:FA. Since this will take some time to get where it needs to be, this will be the COTW for more than just a week. Also, so we hopefully don’t trip over ourselves, try to coordinate on the article’s talk page. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here.

On another note, just a general good job/pat on the back to the project for a great 2007, the first full year of the project. We had 83 DYKs about Oregon, improved one article to FA, and went from around 4 GAs to 17 GAs. Plus numerous new articles, improvements to existing, the introduction of the COTW, and the introduction of article assessment at the project. Again, great job and here’s to a new year. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Sacred Heart Heliport

Good day Katr, I noticed that you moved the moved Sacred Heart General Hospital Heliport to Sacred Heart Medical Center Heliport. Out of curiosity, do you have anything referencing that move? I understand that the hospital may be that name but the name on the FAA Form 5010 Airport Master Record reflects the "General Hospital" name. Please be aware that the name of the FAA approved landing facility may not perfectly match the name of the facility it serves. If you don't have any references for the name change I will have to insist that the name reflect what is on the official documentation for the site. Thanks, --Trashbag (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary? It's per USGS. Like I've said before, I'm afraid as far as geographic names, sometimes the FAA is whack. But move it back if you "have to insist". Katr67 (talk) 03:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's the link I cited: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1131707 Katr67 (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh trust me, I understand. You won't believe the numbers of errors I found in their database. The big challenge is that we are talking about a private landing facility here, the public airports are inspected every three years so everything gets updated at that time (name changes, new runway lighting, hey where did that cell phone tower at the end of the runway come from?). But the private spots are only reviewed at the time they are opened or if the property changes hands. I actually contacted the ODA to tell them they need to update the ownership block of the Columbia Aviation Heliport. It still shows ODOT on there (ODA used to be a division under ODOT). It's a similar situation and I went ahead to reflect the change on the Columbia Aviation Heliport to reflect that. So I have no problem leaving the Sacred Heart article. I'll update the list to reflect the name. Thanks for the input and the catch. --Trashbag (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Eugene Backwoods

An article that you have been involved in editing, Eugene Backwoods, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugene Backwoods. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

ghosttowns.com

I put that reference to Kerby, Oregon into the RfC thread on my talk page because it illustrated the difference in my approach between Kerby and Michael Parenti. MP is a biography of a living person, so the rules of truth apply - a false or even a simply misleading statement is potentially libellous, so great care needs to be taken --

Kerby is just about an unincorporated place - not a legal entity - so it can't be libelled and the rule for removing the wikipedia statement that it is a ghost town has to be that the statement isn't properly sourced. So far as I could tell, at the time, the statement was properly sourced - it was written in ghosttowns.com and ghosttowns.com was a reliable source. (Therefore, even though the statement is manifestly untrue it should remain in wikipedia - removing it would be OR.) --

In the end (yesterday) I did remove it, but my basis for doing that is that ghosttowns.com is not a good source. True it collects entries written by third parties so it is an encyclopedia, just like wikipedia, but there is no evidence that the data it collects has any verification and it has no citations. Merely quoting the author in the ghosttowns.com article isn't enough I think - the article has to quote sources. --

Anyway, I'm happy either way - there's no way of proving that Kerby isn't a ghost town by wikipedia rules since no one is going to write something like "Kerby is not a ghost town" in a citable source. So if ghosttowns.com does past muster as a reliable wikipedia source (I don't think it is) Kerby should definately be added back as a ghost town. Jbowler (talk) 21:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Express Yourself!!! (Invitation to Fun)

• Katr67, I would like to invite you to come on a fun trip with me as I write, hopefully together with a few "friend Wikipedians", some future (?) WikiEssays. All in good fun, and I think it'd be a great outlet for some of the recent nervous energy and excessive typing some of us have done on recent debates. I have some formatting laid out and invite you to Be Very Bold in contributing to the articles if you feel so led. It's all meant to be in the spirit of good fun and collaboration, kinda like a mini-WikiProject or something. Check the "proposed" essay topics out here. You can also add your name to the "contributors" or even "planned contributors" (if you can't add now but plan to soon/eventually) list at the essay talk page. You'll see it's all laid out pretty simply. Yes, drop-down... just like an Advent Calendar... I know... I Hope to See You There!!! VigilancePrime (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC) :-)

On a side note, I loved your FAQ page... would it be too much to ask to "borrow" (basically copy) a (very) large amount of it to convert into a similar FAQ for myself? It's worth its weight in gold (figuratively, at least, since it is the internet) just for all the internal links to WPspace!

Oh yeah, Awesome work on Oregon articles, and thank you so very much for the assistance on Moolack Beach!

Um, did you see the FAQ about people copying my stuff? I was gentle there, but honestly it really bugs the living crap out of me when people copy things I've written. But it's a wiki. I don't own it, it's released in the public domain, and I can't stop you. But I can ask you nicely not to copy my homework. Note that I tend to avoid people's pages where my writing/headings/layout can be found (there is a handful). Please write your own FAQ, I'm sure you've encountered different issues on the wiki than I have. Of course you can link to the same places I do, the whole point is to show people who might not understand wiki culture that there is a whole bunch of guidelines out there, and that if someone has a problem with with what I am doing, to show them that it's really nothing personal. Anyway, I wrote my FAQ myself, based on painful personal experience, agonized over the wording, inserted my own strange sense of humor, searched for and found all the appropriate links, formatted it and proofread it. If you'd like to skip all those rewarding steps, well, like I said, I can't stop you. But if you write it from scratch I'd be glad to proofread it for you. Thanks. Katr67 (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand and agree (hence asking in the first place). You'd be surprised, though, how much of your painful experience seems to mirror much of mine. I am truly impressed at the entire piece of work.

That aside, please drop in and contribute if you would like to at some point on the "potential" essays. Good stuff. (I hope.) THanks a bubch! VigilancePrime (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC) :-)

Comment

Don't be an idiot yo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Milsorgen (talk • contribs) 07:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Care to explain that? Katr67 (talk) 15:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tillamook, Oregon

Would you mind doing the honors? Tillamook, Oregon needs another undo. I've already done two. —EncMstr 08:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Me and Katr are both in the same boat, but we can do three each, its the fourth that causes the problem (though I prefer not to get that close anyway). But I listed the user at the 3RR board, so once they are blocked I'll go in and revert one more time to get it back to where it was. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't look back far enough. We're all two reverts. Let's get Pete to do it! —EncMstr 08:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Nothing to see here, move along... Katr67 (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Correction on Medford Notable Residents

Katr67 wrote:

(→Notable residents - Wong comes before Wright ;))

Sorry, I guess I don't know Wright from Wong. DaKine (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL I couldn't resist such a perfect straight line being handed to me. BTW, we try to hold the notable people sections to the standard that people listed therin are notable enough to have their own articles. If those two are notable, could you whip up a stub for each of them? Otherwise they may be subject to deletion. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 18:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Huh

OK with the hyphen, but why the other reversions? Aboutmovies (talk) 18:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooops! Edit conflict! Katr67 (talk) 18:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking it might have been that. Thanks for copy editing it, it should get the stamp of approval now. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the universe just folded in on itself

Hi there, can you put a userbox about piracy of user page piracy userboxes on your user page so that I can pirate it for use on my user page? Thanks! --Esprqii (talk) 23:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Head asplode now. Katr67 (talk) 23:36, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing articles talk pages question

Since the talk page for each article is for discussing improvements to the article is it okay for editors to remove comments and sections that are not discussing improvements to the article?

For example The Amazing Race 12 talk page has comments about Mirna's predictions about the race, which is something that belongs on a fan website not on the talk page. I would like to remove sections that are not discussing improvements, is that okay or should I just leave it alone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davehi1 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Becca Bernstein

Becca Bernstein Cleaned it up, expanded it and removed your tag. Thanks for pointing it out.