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SEGA Confirms PC version to be fake

http://www.sonicstadium.org/sonicnews/262/ SEGA of Europe confirmed that there WILL NOT be any pc version of this game.

Maybe SEGA Will make a PC version later,Since Sonic Racers did have a PC version.--LavaBall 07:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The letter Sega sent may or may not be true; we can't know for sure. This information is original research and unverifiable, and should not be included in this article. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 17:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

instead of making a pc version they should have done a san andreas and made it on the Wii. (gta sa originated on PS2 but was later introduced onto the Xbox and PC). a game like that should have been made for all next gen consoles. critics may not recomend it as a good game but they have done worse and i for one want to see this game on the wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.84.142 (talk) 14:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

So you're saying that a letter directly from SEGA might not be official? MindWraith 06:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm saying that, according to Wikipedia standards, a personal letter is original research, is not verifiable, and should not be referenced in an article. See WP:NOR and WP:Verifiability for the logic as to why. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 07:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

You know, if you really don't like that letter, you could contact Sega and try to make the information known in a public form. Just dismissing it entirely through a nuance of Wikipedia procedure when it's obviously a thorough debunking to a claim with shoddy evidence to begin with is disingenuous and ultimately harmful to Wikipedia's credibility; many fans are linking this article as "proof" and will soon discover it, and by extension Wikipedia, to be unreliable.Rolken 16:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This is not a "nuance" of Wikipedia prodecure; verifiability is one of the pillars on which Wikipedia was founded and is the hallmark of an encylopedia. Whether or not I "like" the letter is not the issue; the issue is whether or not Wikipedia policy allows this letter to be referenced. To place this letter, which was posted on a forum, as a reference in this article is what is damaging to Wikipedia's credibility, not the other way around. There's a reason why these rules exist, and why they're applied on every other article in the encylopedia (or should be, if they're not). As editors, we are obliged to follow these rules and maintain the encylopedia's integrity with reliable resources; as such, that letter should not be referenced here. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 06:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that Wikipedia policy prohibits that particular letter from being cited. I am disputing that Wikipedia policy prohibits editors from taking that letter seriously and attempting to obtain the information therein in a form amenable to Wikipedia policy. And the positive evidence cited (a generic Amazon placeholder) isn't what I would call a reliable source either, but maybe policy differs on that. Rolken 08:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The continual onslaught of misinformation has made us Wikipedian jaded. If you think our Amazon source is unreliable, I suggest you take that up with Amazon and not us. Inform them that you heard a rumor that a rumor was a rumor, and perhaps they will contact Sega themselves for confirmation. –Gunslinger47 23:36, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There's still the problem of:

• http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sega-Sonic-The-Hedgehog-PC/dp/B000GM8ACM/
• http://www.gamestation.co.uk/product.asp?id=101117542966748
• http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?ref=&id=55753

Now, I can't understand Finnish, so I don't know what to make of the third link. However, the first link is from Amazon and the second is from Gamestation, a company owned and operated by Blockbuster. If the PC version is never to be released, then it was unceremoniously canceled. There is probably plenty of bad information out there in fan-world, but the existence of a once-upcoming PC port is what our sources indicate. –Gunslinger47 20:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazon UK just took down their listing for Sonic '06 PC. I'm removing all references from the article. –Gunslinger47 04:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Amazon also listed iWork and iLife 2008 just before an Apple event, renamed them to Announcement 1 and 2 but finally took them down when they didn't exist. I don't think Amazon is very good proof. 82.29.250.53 00:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The PC Sonic The Hedgehog did exist - it's advertised on the back page of the Sonic Riders instruction manual (it says it's on PC DVD and XBox 360, no mention of PS3). I guess it was cancelled. Digifiend 08:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was going to say. The PC version isn't "fake", it's just canceled. It clearly existed at one point and was advertised in official Sega merchandise. BlazeHedgehog (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Creation of an "abilities" heading

I've noticed that the information on the gameplay of the three hedgehogs (Sonic, Silver and Shadow) goes to excessive length to describe their abilities. I don't have the game and therefore don't quite know how to do it, but it would be a good idea to create a heading quickly describing the abilities of the various characters, perhaps in a table to show which ones are shared and which differ from each character. What do you think? (211.30.189.31 07:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC))

Confusions

What should be mentioned in this article, is that this game should not be confused with the Sega Genesis game of the same name. --PJ Pete

Such as in the second paragraph, for example? –Gunslinger47 02:24, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Plothole

I think I noticed a plothole in the end.

• At the end when Elise felt a "familiar wind" and then it showed a FULL moon.
• Then I remebered that in Sonic Adventure 2 where Shadow first appeared, that the Ark blasted the moon showing a threat to the erath.
• But if Sega ignored then how did Shadow and Rouge appear?

Please reply about this --StrongCool 23:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Other side of the moon, or you could consider that it's a mistake. Hello2112 22:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about calling it a Plothole. But still it took out more than 25% of the moon.

I'm pretty sure that the side of the moon we see is always the same... but at any rate, despite the moon being partially destroyed in SA2, it's been shown as full more than once in other games before this one (notably Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog), so it's hardly an issue unique to this game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.142.130.59 (talk) 17:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, in the Hang Castle level of Sonic Heroes, a full moon is shown, and in some commercials and previews etc in Shadow the hedgehog a full moon is shown as well, and possibly in some levels, despite the fact that canonically, Eggman blew up half the moon in SA2B. Perhaps as in Sonic X, the moon was reconstructed, weather out of metal or rock, and weather by Eggman (or possibly GUN) is not known. Notably, in Sonic X Eggman rebuilds the half of the moon out of metal and it is referred to after that as the Egg Moon.

^ It seems some peoples don't like using their heads >.> Eggman DIDN'T blew up half the moon. Just a little part of it. So everytime the moon is shown looking unscratched, that's because is showing the side that is intact. And the moon in the opening of Shadow the Hedgehog DOES show the part Eggman blew up, revealing its "scar". So do everyone a favor and THINK posting stupid messages _-_

If you ask me, just ignore the moon. It's not that big a deal in the Sonic games. Just there for the background.

GAMEHEAD Confirms PC version Delayed

Sonic Next is delayed according to GAMEHEAD.com.au, and have received a new release date. According to a recent email received March 28, the game is still coming, albeit late on April 29. This is the email (and you can ask them too at the address shown by clicking the live help desk box in the upper right-hand corner):

Hi (name),

All of the release dates listed on GAMEHEAD.com.au are confirmed dates for actual titles forwarded to us exclusively by the publisher.

These dates can be subject to change at the publisher’s discretion; however they’re generally accurate to the minute as we update them constantly to reflect the publisher’s schedules.

Kind regards,
GAMEHEAD – Customer Service Team.

Suite 603, Level 6
6 Help Street
Chatswood, NSW 2067
Australia

ABN: 26 106 596 703

In addition, no one has yet received a cancellation on their preorder for Sonic the Hedgehog (PC) on Amazon.co.uk. Before the game was removed from the site, it stated "limited availability", so it was probably removed due to preorder limits being filled on the game. –Sonichedgehog360 16:01, 28 March 2007

As of yet, only Australia is confirmed, so I put an Australia flagcon for the PC release on April 29, 2007. –Sonichedgehog360 16:12, 28 March 2007

Hi (name),

Sonic Riders for PC is a port of the console title of the same name, while Sonic The Hedgehog on PC is the next-gen title currently under release on PS3 and Xbox360.

The Sonic Mega Collection plus is also available on GAMEHEAD.com.au under the gamers choice label (we’ve all played way too much of this).

Kind regards,
GAMEHEAD – Customer Service Team.

Suite 603, Level 6
6 Help Street
Chatswood, NSW 2067
Australia

ABN: 26 106 596 703

The game is thus confirmed only for Australia through THQ Publishing as this moment. Please do not remove the information previously added again or I will report you to Wikipedia admin. –Sonichedgehog360 17:06, 29 March 2007

It seems that cybersquatters have swiped SonicStadium's domain name, so I unfortunately wasn't be able to read what they said. Now, as for the issue on-hand: We can't use your emails as a reference, though if GameHead.com.au posts Sonic the Hedgehog for the PC as an upcoming game, then we'll have no problem referencing that.

I've searched over their site, however it seems that the game is not listed at the moment.[1] If you can find their entry or if it's posted at a later date, then feel free to reinsert your reverted contributions. For more information on this step, please read Wikipedia:Attribution. –Gunslinger47 02:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, there it is: http://gamehead.com.au/product.php?productid=92616&cat=&page=1 –Gunslinger47 02:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

More Australians agreeing:

• http://www.aussiegamer.com.au/catalog/sonic-hedgehog-p-17865.html
• http://www.gamesmarket.com.au/details.php?ProdID=508392
• http://www.gpstore.com.au/Games/1536664.html

–Gunslinger47 22:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

All links have had their product listings pulled. –Gunslinger47 21:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

so,does that mean only austrailia, or only confirmed in austrailia?

It's been over three months since these listings were supposedly due. At this point, I suggest ending the conversation entirely. –Gunslinger47 23:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The main theme is "Kids of the Future" by Jonas Brothers?

I haven't played the game before, but is this true? --Coconutfred73 06:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

That was recently added by a guest.[2] It was reverted six hours later. –Gunslinger47 21:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

This page is incredibly out-of-date

"According to the information disclosed on the American game site, there are a total of eleven stages, meaning there is still one unknown, unannounced stage." You mean out of the thousands of people who have this game, noone has ever unlocked the last stage? As well as many other old things. MindWraith 08:12, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The page likely need a complete rewrite. It's far too long, for one thing. –Gunslinger47 20:59, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Story summarization

Well I'm new to wiki so I did some edits to this games story, which is too long. I also did minor edits to the Shadow the Hedgehog video game page.--S200048 14:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)s200048 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by S200048 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Useless Info

What happened?!! I come back and this article is looonger. Do you really need to put when each character plays a certain stage. You also increased the plot summary into a plot story. sheesh!!!--S200048 20:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)s200048

What happened was one guy rolled back the page to a version of it that was several months old.[3] I've restored the current version. –Gunslinger47 23:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism and action stages

Uhh... someone put info about the action stages, should we get rid of it? And someone made a joke at the end of sonics story. It says sonic farted in eggmans face. I'll fix that part, but i dont know about the action stage part, I'll leave that alone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by S200048 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

User:Chris288 wants the stages to be listed in the article. You might want to discuss it with him before removing the section. –Gunslinger47 00:43, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Article needs to be cleaned up in several areas

I found some errors in the article discussing some of the stages as if the game was yet to be released. 71.241.118.226 00:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Be bold in updating pages. –Gunslinger47 02:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, i took care of that. --S200048 21:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)s200048

Oh I apologize. I was adding more info about the reception (not biased). I apologize for cluttering. Neofcon

It's no problem. The reception section could use a little bit more information, but until the rest of the article is slimmed down, I'll be against expanding it. Here what the section looked like before it was cut: [4] –Gunslinger47 20:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to clean up the character section right now. Earthere 17:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Earthere

CG movies

I've just found something about the Computer animation in the game. It is made by the same studio who made the CG movies in Shadow the hedgehog. Umm.. i'm wondering if this should be put under the trivia section. The studios name is Blur Studio Inc. I saw it on their website www.blur.com I guess they like sonic. Its funny b/c this game was made in japan, and they're american. But shadow the hedgehog was made in sanfrancisco, so whatever.--S200048 23:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)s200048

Pirates of the Caribbean

You know, people, in one of the trailers of the game, there is music from Pirates of the Caribbean. Should I write it into the article? Leader Vladimir

I don't think that trivia is interesting enough to warrant inclusion. –Gunslinger47 22:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What, which trailer? and what about the trivia about the CG movies? I also have more trivia. Sonic Next Gen is the first 3D Sonic game that tails isn't seen with a machine to drive or fly him around. Am i right?--S200048 14:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

NoSonic Hog

I'm not right?--S200048 15:47, 7 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

No, your not. MindWraith 06:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Tails was seen driving a plane in sonic adventure. He was seen with his cyclone in sonic adventure 2. He was seen flying the cyclone in sonics opening in sonic heroes. He was seen flying it in one movie in the circus park level in shadow the hedgehog. I didn't see him with any vehicle in sonic next gen. I also saw him flying the cyclone in sonic riders in one of the ending movies in sonics story. How am I wrong??--S200048 15:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

Notability. Wikipedia lives and dies by what people think is important to an article, and a fact like that is way too unimportant to be mentioned. The Pirates music may be notable enough. It's a popular movie, after all. BlazeHedgehog 18:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia is sometimes acceptable inside of articles. The threshold for trivia is that if it's not particularly notable, it must be sufficently interesting. Even then, it should be incorporated into the article. It should not be the main focus of any particular section. –Gunslinger47 01:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. I was just curious why people kept saying I was wrong.--S200048 00:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

Hey, Blaze? I've had a post on your talk page sitting around for ages, and I'm still waiting [somewhat impatiently] for a reply! I really want to know; does Dracula kill Tails in Sonic: The Fated Hour? And, also, there's something funny going on with my copy of Super Mario: Blue Twilight DX... --Luigifan 22:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Rush

Is there anyway for this game to tie in with Sonic Rush. I mean, the two games contradict eachother, yet, according to some of the more diehard Sonic fans, it is canon. That leads to another question; is it this game or Soinc Rush that is canon? Michael Mad 09:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Well... acually, after you beat this games last story, all of the events never happened. That is why some say sonic next gen is canon. Maybe that is why blaze doesn't know sonic in sonic rush. Because she first met him in sonic next gen. But after all the events were erased from elise blowing out solaris' flame. She re-met him in sonic rush.... possibly.--S200048 14:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)s200048

It's all so confusing. Michael Mad 17:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious to me Sonicteam doesn't really care about a "canon" for their games. They just write whatever crap happens to flow out of their mouth, whether it matches the storyline of the previous games or not. Think of each game as if they were their own self-contained canon. BlazeHedgehog 17:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

If you ask me, just forget it. I'm a bit confused myself. I'm just assuming that Sonic Rush is AFTER Sonic the Hedgehog. But I still believe what fans are saying about the game's ending. That Sonic DOES remember everything.

Yes. Sonic's memory transcends time and space to remember events that were canceled out due to a time paradox. Of course. Nevermind the fact that he can't "remember" events that, scientifically speaking, never happened; how can you remember something you never did? That's like eating a hamburger but remembering that you ate pizza two weeks from now. No; it doesn't work that way - you can't remember future events that haven't taken place (and, logically speaking, cannot happen). Sorry. Despite time travel being a confusing mess when used incorrectly, this is something that just isn't possible no matter how poorly the concept of time travel is used in a story. BlazeHedgehog 10:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually, If you can avoid the ripple effect (by being outside of time or something similar), you will retain memories. Well, last time I checked anyway. Sabre Knight 18:43, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Edit: Just re-read the article. It seems like he only remembered subconciously, which can happen, and does often happen in science fiction when events are canclled. Sabre Knight 18:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

voice cast

Shouldn't the English voice cast be separated from the Japanese cast?

Why? –Gunslinger47 15:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Because, It would be more organized.

It looks pretty organized as it is, with the English and Japanese in separate columns. –Gunslinger47 17:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

A BAD GAME?

I have read all the gamesite reviews and the best review I saw was three out of five stars. The game revieved similar reviews from other sites, showing fifty percent and 5 out of 10 point reviews, many sites even listed EVERY feature under the negative section. My dad owns a PS3, and I wanted to buy this game but now I'm not so sure. Anyone who owns the PS3 version of SONIC THE HEDGEHOG and is a SONIC fan, could you please tell me if the game is as bad as everyone makes it out to be? Thanks.

{fun's over, deleted}

I am glad to see you are interested in discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as this are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. Please refrain from doing this in the future. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. –Gunslinger47 13:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

spoiler tag

Someone removed the spoiler tags. I want them there because I read the whole plot of the game (which I'm currently playing) when i got to this article. I seriously know i would have enjoyed the story more in the game- I'm not being dramatic, I love the story.
Obviously I was not turned off from the Storyline header, maybe because I don't go to video game articles on wikipedia enough.
But with such a short few paragraphs it totally caught me off guard, in a disappointing and upsetting way- I then wrote the "Plot" section and moved storyline. But my main concern now is that people who want to see the final parts of the article will catch a glimpse of the story- so the {{endspoiler}} tag at least.

Reception?

I don't know what to say, umm...there is some new stuff in there. Heh, some if it might be fancruft too. Example: "But to many Sonic fans, the game plays true." I don't know, but it looks like some sort of fan statement. The source for it has no mention of that statement at all either. So, I think it might be best to remove it. "The gameplay sticks to the fundamentals of previous sonic games (like the first); the levels are speed-oriented, for example, and Sonic remains a team player as he has been since his personality was developed in the first Sonic cartoon." This doesn't look like it should be in the Reception section, it might be something for the Gameplay section of the article though. But, I can't seem to find how to stick it in that section either, so I'll remove it for now, and maybe someone can think about it and maybe adapt that sentence for that section. So yeah, umm, discuss. :) カラム 09:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Of all the major things to complain about, from dodgy storyline, camera, framerates and bugs galore, why on Earth is "lack of a Chao garden" listed as a top-ranked criticism? Anyway, I've reverted it back to the way it was. The badly written "plot" is already written in enough detail in "storyline", and as for the reception, we've had enough debates about what should go in there and leaving it to the ratings was settled on some time ago. In addition, the reception does not need moving up to the top of the article. SynergyBlades 15:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, SynergyBlades, I have been maintaining the Reception section for a while now, but I let a few edits slip by. We could go on endlessly about the games faults, but it's best to leave it brief and let the miserable Game Rankings average speak for itself. On the flip side, sentences noting that "some" people liked it should also be removed for "some" people are an insignificant minority in this case. –Gunslinger47 23:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand you put what you think is a lot of hard work into this. I PUT PLENTLY OF HARD WORK INTO THIS. and to get here and have the plot ruined for me, an unsuspecting player, and then you want to delete my article? HOW INSULTING!! I will not let my part of the article go without a fight. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

Please do not remove the words of other Wikipedia users; I just had to restore Gunslinger's writing which you erased. The "plot" section (now "overview") is very poorly written, with bad English used; I will try and clean it up some. Besides which, if you come to a Wikipedia article on a game, you should expect to have the plot available, as is common with most other games with a storyline. That you went and read the whole plot - lengthy enough as it is - really isn't our concern. SynergyBlades 00:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I have edited the plot overview; it needs no more than that. I have also added the spoiler tag before the in-depth storyline. I'm sorry you felt it was insulting to have your edits tweaked, but please read the following: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it." This can be found on every edit page. SynergyBlades 00:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

confused

how much doewes sonic and elise remember? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.177.116 (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Elise nothing but I not sure about Sonic

Online

How do you play Online with the game?72.83.118.51 18:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Wii

Apparently, there *was* indeed going to be a Wii version of this game, but it was cancelled. Should we mention it? RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 00:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not apparent until you have a reliable source. –Gunslinger47 04:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think it was in a Kikizo Interview shortly before Sonic & The Secret Rings was released, or shortly afterwards. Yojiro Ogawa mentioned that initially, the plan was to simply port Sonic 2k6 to the Wii, but upon receiving the specs for the Wiimote, they split the team in half - One half went off to work on Sonic & The Secret Rings and the other stayed and worked on the 360/PS3 versions of Sonic 2k6. Yojiro recalls that, to produce the amount of content needed in such a short amount of time (9 months or something), he effectively tripled the team's size and outsourced the game's multiplayer/party mode to another developer. Really, I think this helps explain why this game feels so unfinished; they were probably understaffed because focus shifted to Secret Rings. BlazeHedgehog 12:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

XD! Maybe this says something about Sega's opinion of Microsoft and Sony... --Luigifan 21:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Handled. –Gunslinger47 20:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Hentai Images?

This page has been vandalized. I can't figure out how to fix it. Smd 6710 (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, looks like someone fixed it.Smd 6710 (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

For more information, see Help:Reverting. Thanks for trying to help. –Gunslinger47 03:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

squeal

I saw a video on youtube that theres a squeal in development call Sonic next gen 2