Talk:Genie (feral child)

Why does someone want a photo on here? Seems completely inappropriate to the subject matter.

How can we compare Genie's skills to that of a normal child? How do you feel about the case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.140.16 (talk • contribs)

how do we know of butler's ulterior motives?? is this fact or speculation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.226.48 (talk • contribs)

Her name

she was referred to as "Jeannie Wiley" on the Arcadia, California article so I changed the page name to that. though feralchildren.com says the correct spelling is Genie. Arual

I added her address because it was used in a presentation I did to the Temple City Historical Society in September, 2006 JoeW4 05:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The correct spellig is Genie. I've never seen "Jeannie". What's the source for this?--Cúchullain ^t/c 06:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

A Wikipedia user called her by this name Jeannie Wiley on the Arcadia, California article. Don't know who, don't know why. Arual

I moved it back. I can't find anything on her being called Jeannie Wiley. If it turns out that's her real name or something, provide a source.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know it would be too hard to find out her real name at this point. However, "Jeannie Wiley" is going to need a reference, as she is almost always referred to as just "Genie".--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Genie was the name used, not Jeannie. Her name is available if you know where to look but out of respect for her, it is not published. Her mother has died but her brother is still around. It was David Rigler who became her foster parent, not James Kent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.62.235.21 (talk • contribs)

Uh, out of curiosity--is there a way to redirect to this page if a person is searching for 'Jeannie' or 'Jeanie'? After watching a documentary on this girl and wanting to know more, I made this mistake and had quite a time trying to find this actual page. Actually, I DID search for "Genie" after a while and came to the page on "Genies," or djinns... no disambiguation page. In other words, what I'm trying to say is - is there a way to make this page easier to find? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.191.151.167 (talk) 08:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

Done. See Jeanie (disambiguation). Wjhonson 17:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Masturbation thing.

"She masturbated excessively, which turned out to be the most serious anti-social behavior problem of all. Many of the items she coveted were objects with which to masturbate and she would attempt to do so, regardless of where she was (Robertson, 1987 -- need full reference for this)."

This might be vandalism. is it true?--Havermayer 01:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the Nova documentary and I also I heard it from my psychology professor. It's not vandalism, but it will need a source.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Might we want to use another word than "excessively?" It seems pretty POV, since no amount of masturbation (that doesn't cause physical harm, of course) is considered "excessive" by the mental health community.

Perhaps "inappropriately" would be suitable, indicating that she masturbated at times and places not sanctioned by society (if that's indeed the situation; I'm not familiar with this case at all, having just run across it through a link)?

Septegram 16:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The masturbation issue is highly suspect. I've studied this young girl for quite a while and have never come across anything alluding to this, moreover, feral children never exhibit this behavior. This may be the work of an idiot professor hoping to trap his students in a bind.

Well, I was mistaken about it being mentioned in the Nova documentary, looking through the transcript. [1] Where did you hear feral children never exibit the behavior? That could warrant removing the line, since she's the most famous one, so the source would clearly include her.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

This behaviour is described in detail in Susan Curtiss, 1977, Genie: A psycholinguistic study of a modern day "Wild Child",Academic Press, and ::::was both excessive and inappropriate. Two theories are suggested, either that it was her only form of pleasure during her years locked in a

room, or that a behaviour typical to toddlers usually suppressed by parental admonishment was not suppressed in her case. How do you

manage to 'study this young girl for quite a while' without reading the standard workon the case? That makes me doubt the assertion that 'feral ::::children never exhibit this behaviour' - there are so few and their histories so diverse, I can't imagine anyone who knows what they're talking ::::about making such generalisations. Inappropriate/excessive masturbation is a symptom of various mental illness and disturbances, so it's

perfectly plausible in this case, as well as being documented.

It's also mentioned in Genie: a Scientific Tragedy, by Russ Rymer.

As well as in the chapter "Where is tomorrow, Mrs. L?" in the book "Savage Girls and Wild Boys" by Michael Newton

I haven't read Susan Curtiss's work, or Michael Newton's book, but I have read most of Rymer's, and the information is definitely there. Aside from the rapid decline in progress Victor was making, when he hit puberty, inappropriate masturbation was an issue with him as well, for which Itard bled him to deal with it. Genie masturbated in public as she had bowel movements in public; In her peak times, when she was happiest and best taken care of, it was a rarity. She found other things to interest her, and behaved mor 'appropriately' in public. When she was distressed, or during more 'depressing' times, for the lack of a better word, she reverted to these behaviours. Im-Mersion

The masturbation sentence was incorrectly citing the NOVA transcript as its source.

It was supposed to be citing Curtiss. Thanks for the catch.--Cúchullain ^t/c 22:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Real name

According to a UK TV Channel 4 Programme on Oxana and other feral children she is the daughter of Clarc and Irene Wiley, and has a brother John. -- Chris 73 | Talk 08:52, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

"Loss of funds and interest" problem

"Genie had not yet learned full grammatical English and only went so far as phrases like "Applesauce buy store."" implies that genie was capable of learning full grammatical english. this is not necessarily true. current theories of language acquisition--specifically those regarding a "critical period"--should be given a cursory mention at the very least. and the fact that genie played in integral part as a specimen in those studies makes it all the more important that it be mentioned.

Name

Surely it's supposed to be "Jeannie"

• No, "Genie" was the pseudonym those working with her adopted to protect her identity. It was supposedly chosen because she appeared as suddenly as a genie from a magic lamp, and answered researchers' wishes for someone to confirm their hypotheses about language acquisition. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 07:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Biographical details

Sourced from primary documents, can be found here. Wjhonson 02:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Although her full, real name is sourced above, I've removed the direct link from the article since the website it points to is my own. If someone wants to add the link back to satisfy the {{fact}} request, feel free to do so. There is no prohibition on one Wikipedia citing another's work.Wjhonson 23:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I readded the reference to your site. I wish we had a source to something besides a personal website, but the information is checkable and correct and there's no reason to doubt you, and that's what really matters. Thanks!--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It surprised the heck out of me. I wasn't even looking for her name. I was looking for an obit on her father who shot himself at the end of 1970. Finding her name, right there in the *newspaper* was serendipity in action. Something genealogists dream about :) Wjhonson 23:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ignore

Removed a segment I'd written. I've decided I'd like to have more time to read, elaborate, and organise the information before proposing additional content for the article. I'm assuming this isn't a problem on a talk page. Im-Mersion 08:19, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Genie's Brother

What became of Genie's brother? Where does he live? Does he have a family? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.151.77 (talk) 21:25, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

image

would an image from the nova documentary be acceptable to use in this article? Ospinad (talk) 03:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know, but one should definitely be added if possible. Photos of her are very distinctive. Salopian (talk) 17:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I think copyright would be a problem in taking a frame from the documentary.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought it might be a problem too which was why I also asked Quadell (who is known for being a strict deletionist) and he said it would be ok. For An Angel (talk) 20:22, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Present Day

Is there any reliable information on Genie's current linguistic abilities, and if they've improved or regressed since her time being rehabilitated? 68.230.161.164 (talk) 05:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

There's not really any information about her current status at all, unfortunately. Salopian (talk) 17:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

It is pretty unfortunate that we don’t know her current status as I’m quite curious of her. --DavidD4scnrt (talk) 08:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent deletions

Alex Baack does not appear to have any standing to say Yes, No or sideways about what we say about Genie here. See his bio bit here. Wjhonson (talk) 17:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This particular editor may not have any relation to the subject of the article but Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of names can be interpreted to mean that we shouldn't include Genie's real name since it's been well established that those close to her intentionally kept her name secret for her own protection. I say we keep it out. For An Angel (talk) 17:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

This reasoning is flawed. First it has not been established at all that anyone kept her name secret "for her own protection". It has only been established that some people have used a pseudonym. That is standard practice when reporting in scientific papers of this sort. Second, we at Wikipedia must use our own reasoning on when to mask names, not anyone else's reasoning. In this particular case, there is no current justification for hiding her name. It has already been widely reported on the internet. Wjhonson (talk) 23:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It has not already been widely reported on the internet. A google search for "susan wiley" genie feral child pulls up this article, your website "http://www.countyhistorian.com/cecilweb/index.php/Genie_Wiley" and a few websites that obviously got the information from Wikipedia. However, Russ Rymer's book, Genie, An Abused Child's Flight From Silence states and I quote:

"Clark's idea of protective custody is described in Susan Curtiss's doctoral dissertation, which was published as a book -- Genie: A Psycholinguistic Study of a Modern-Day 'Wild Child' -- in 1977 by Academic Press. In both the dissertation and the book, the girl is referred to not by her real name but by her scientific alias, Genie -- the name used in the symposium papers, the psychology magazines, and the textbooks and contrived in order to protect the child's identity. Page 17 (emphasis mine)

Also, saying that only "some" people use Genie as a pseudonym is VERY misleading as you can tell by searching the number of sites that refer to Genie by her real name, genie feral child "susan wiley" (448) and those that refer to her by "Genie" with no mention of her real name genie feral child -"susan wiley" (6570). Also you can see that the number sites that refer to her only by her real name and not by her pseudonym is nil -genie feral child "susan wiley" So as you can see, the VAST majority of people, when referring to her, use the name Genie and not her real name.

we at Wikipedia must use our own reasoning on when to mask names, not anyone else's reasoning.

It almost sounds as if you mean to say, "Wikipedia must use my reasoning on when to mask names, and not yours." I am NOT using anyone else's reasoning when I say that I think we should keep her real name out of this article. I am citing Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of names which is a policy here on Wikipedia. And as it says there, "When the name of a private individual has not been widely disseminated or has been intentionally concealed (such as in certain court cases), it is often preferable to omit it, especially when doing so does not result in a significant loss of context." And since omitting her name does not result in a significant loss of context, especially considering the fact that her real name is not widely known and she is mostly known by the name Genie then her real name should be removed from the article.

I know that since you were the one who initially discovered her name in an old newspaper you must feel that if it is removed from the article then all that work would go unnoticed, but I think you should recognize your conflict of interest here and if you still have a problem with it you can post a message on the Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard For An Angel (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Wikipedia poicy is pretty clear here. Wikipedia is one of very few sources online that uses her real name which I think meets both the "not wideley disseminated" and also "intentionally concealed" standards. I was all set to come here and support using her name in the article, but I think the policy is actually quite clear here. Jessamyn (talk) 12:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

After considering this I agree we should leave the name out, though we need to calm down a bit. The name was intentionally concealed to protect Genie when she was a child. Though she's not a child anymore, there's no evidence that her caretakers now want her name unconcealed. Plus her real name has not been widely disseminated, the only source I've seen on the internet is Wjhonson's excellent site. I'd say we'd better remove it.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

First, it is standard-practice in scientific papers to use pseudonyms for your subjects. The fact that a pseudonym was used for Genie is not material to whether we should continue to so do. Second journalists and researchers who find material, do not have a conflict-of-interest, I fear you are mis-understanding the policy, I suggest you post the case to the conflict of interest board, and/or the BLP board for wider input before you insist that all journalists naturally have conflicts-of-interest merely based on what they report. Third their is no credible source that her name was intentionally and permanently concealed by any legal jurisdiction when she was a child or at any other time. Whether scientists who were studying her did so, should not be material to the journalistic point-of-view which we here have.Wjhonson (talk) 00:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Here are just a few of the papers in which her name was reported as "Susan Wiley" : Oshkosh Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, Wisconsin); Reno Evening Gazette (Reno, Nevada); Albuquerque Journal (Albuquerque, New Mexico); Bennington Banner (Bennington, Vermont); Holland Evening Sentinel (Holland, Michigan); Iowa City Press Citizen (Iowa City, Iowa); Kingsport News (Kingsport, Tennessee); Lima News (Lima, Ohio); News Journal (Mansfield, Ohio); Post Crescent (Appleton, Wisconsin); Yuma Daily Sun (Yuma, Arizona); Bucks County Courier Times (Levittown, Pennsylvania); Chronicle Telegram, The (Elyria, Ohio); Coshocton Tribune (Coshocton, Ohio); Derrick (Oil City, Pennsylvania); El Paso Herald-Post (El Paso, Texas); Florence Morning News (Florence, South Carolina); Fond Du Lac Commonwealth Reporter (Fond Du Lac, Wisconsin); Manitowoc Herald Times (Manitowoc, Wisconsin); Morning Herald (Uniontown, Pennsylvania); Nevada State Journal (Reno, Nevada); Red Bluff Daily News (Red Bluff, California); San Antonio Express (San Antonio, Texas); Sheboygan Press (Sheboygan, Wisconsin); Stevens Point Daily Journal (Stevens Point, Wisconsin); The Advocate (Newark, Ohio); The Capital (Annapolis, Maryland); The Chillicothe Constitution Tribune (Chillicothe, Missouri); The Daily Courier (Connellsville, Pennsylvania); The Daily Report (Ontario, California); The Daily Times News (Burlington, North Carolina); The Daily Tribune (Wisconsin Rapids, Wisconsin); The Gettysburg Times (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania); The Progress (Clearfield, Pennsylvania); The Times Recorder (Zanesville, Ohio); The Zanesville Signal (Zanesville, Ohio); Valley News (Van Nuys, California) Wjhonson (talk) 00:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Susan Wiley

I've just transcribed the UPI article published in Oshkosh, Wisconsin on this case here. Read it for yourselves. Her name was widely disseminated in 1970. The fact that a few people later decided to hide it, is not relevant. Wjhonson (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Listing the names of random newspapers doesn't prove anything and how do I know you didn't right that article yourself since that article is not found on www.thenorthwestern.com. The fact that they decided to hide her name after the case became public is completely relevant for the simple fact that time doesn't work backwards. If it was hidden at first then later made public then you would have a point that there'd be no need for us to hide it again. But since the only sources that you can find that use her real name are from the 1970's, and everything that has been written about her since then doesn't then it would make sense for us to continue referring to her as just Genie. For An Angel (talk) 03:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It's not my fault that you do not have a useful subscription to a newspaper clipping file. I have provided the full transcriptions from two of those newspapers for your perusal on my article. I invite you to visit it, so you can assure yourself that at the time, the names of all parties and all the gory details were spelled out in full color across the country. Once you have done so, I'll accept your abject groveling apology. (That's a joke.) Wjhonson (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

And I'm certain that you are aware that The Northwestern.Com Archives only goes back to Jan 2007 right? Yes you are. This article is from 1970 which I'm quoting. Wjhonson (talk) 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

That's exactly my point. The article that you are quoting isn't available online so I either have to take your word for it or pay for a subscription just to verify you which I would rather not do. Either way, even if what you say is true, it still doesn't change the fact that although her name my have been reported in a few newspapers for a few months at the time, everything that has been written about her since then has hidden her name. This is the reason why the google searches I showed you above showed that the only online sites that had her name are the ones that got it from this article after you added it here. I know this may be hard for you to understand because you found this information relatively recently so to you this information is new but her name has been hidden for at least the past 30 years. Plus, we have no proof that Genie herself wants her name widely known so in this case I think it would be prudent to err on the side of caution. It is hardly a stretch to interpret Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of names to mean we should omit her name. For An Angel (talk) 13:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I see no reason to doubt Wjhonson that the name appeared widely in newspapers at the time, but if there was/is an attempt to conceal her identity (it does not appear in the Nova documentary, made 20-odd years afterwards) then we should probably err on the side of caution and leave it out. We should seek input from others on this, I'm going to file with Requests for comment/Biographies.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

(Outdent) For those who don't want to go to the link I provided to read it, I will repeat part of what it says here:

Oshkosh Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, Wisconsin), 17 Nov 1970, page 1 "Could Have Been Normal" "Parents Are Arrested for Retarding Child" Arcadia, Calif (UPI) — Susan Wiley, 13, is deformed, unable to talk, wears diapers and has the mental capacity of an infant.

Contrary to what you assert For An Angel, there is no need to pay a subscription to read this newspaper. The microfilm of the newspaper travels through Inter-Library-Loan which is free more-or-less, and you can also get a copy by writing to the library where it's stored. The subscription fee is only a convenience item. If you re-read our policy discussing this exact point at WP:RS and WP:V you will find that we do, in fact, cover the issue of subscription fees and free resources. You are welcome to take your concern on this matter to the reliable sources noticeboard if you'd like more clarification. Wjhonson (talk) 20:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

You seemed to have missed my point. I said that even if what you said was true, it doesn't change the fact that her name is not well known today, that almost all of the people who know about her know her only by the name Genie, and that even if her real name is verifiable through reliable sources (all of them most likely from the time she was rescued in 1970) that we are talking about a living individual, one whose location and real name has been concealed for over 30 years. Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of names is for her own protection. Either you don't care, or you just keep forgetting what she went through. I think the only reason why you want so badly to keep this information in the article is because you were the one who found it. Well, congratulations. But it doesn't mean it belongs in the article. For An Angel (talk) 21:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry you are supposing facts *not in evidence*. The fact that you, by a Google search, cannot find references, does not imply that her name "has been concealed for over 30 years." As you well know Google is highly slanted toward modern representations. The only thing your Google-search shows is that her real name is not well-known to those who have copied over and over a few sources. We do not base our work on what Google does or doesn't show however. So your argument is not germane to this encyclopedia. We do not conceal names which have been widely disseminated merely because they have been forgotten in Google searches. Wjhonson (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

By the way, how exactly is "what she went through" relevant to this discussion?Wjhonson (talk) 03:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It's relevant because after reading her biography it should be obvious that Genie is the very definition of a private individual. She was famous for a few years over 30 years ago but since then she has been living in an undisclosed location, and everything that has been written about her since then has referred to her as only Genie. The proof that her name has been concealed for over 30 years is the fact that all of the references you found that use her real name were all written over 30 years ago! I'll ask you again, why is it that you want so bad to add her name to the article? For An Angel (talk) 12:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

False dichotomy. Supposes evidence not present. I found sources *from* 35 years ago, that does not imply that *all* sources except those suppress her real name. I'm sure you had a course in logic and can see the large hole you create in the middle. You want Google to show her name, even though we know that Google is time-sensitive and modern-skewed, and yet when I prove that there are sources which name her, you reverse the tables making the bald claim that those are the *sole* sources which name her. Your argument is silly circles. Wjhonson (talk) 00:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

No, I said that all of the references that *you* found were from over 30 years ago. I was assuming that you tried to look for *any* sources that used her real name and were only able to find ones from long ago. Either that or you were only looking for sources from that time and didn't even try to find any recent ones. So which one is it? If you tried to find recent ones and couldn't then that is my proof. I know that Google is modern-skewed, that is sorta my point. If we can't find Genie's real name using Google, and the vast majority of what is on Google is recent, then doesn't that mean that most of the recent sources that talk about Genie *don't* use her real name? Whether or not there were sources from the 1970's that don't use her name is irrelevant to our argument. You have already shown that there were sources from the 1970's that used her real name, fine. But I am still convinced that most of what has been written about her in the last 30 years or so has *not* used her real name. To prove to me that her name hasn't been concealed for the last 30 years you will have to show me *recent* sources that use her real name. Something that qualifies as "widely disseminated". If you can do that then I will admit defeat. For An Angel (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Susan Wiley (Part 2)

I'm not seeing any support for yor position. Our policy on privacy addresses people whose names have *not* been widely disseminated. Susan's has been. It was just *forgotten* by Goggle entries. Doing historical research however is part of our mission. There is no bar that I must find more sources than I've found already. I'd suggest you take this case to the BLP noticeboard if you want to continue this discussion, to gain wider input. The RFC doesn't seem to have created any. Wjhonson (talk) 03:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

No support? So far Jessamyn, Cúchullain, Forceproductions and myself have all said to remove her name whereas you are the only person arguing to include it. The fact that all the sources that you found were from over 30 years ago doesn't prove that her name hasn't been concealed for the past 30 years. There is no reason to assume Genie's real name has simply been "forgotten". If Genie herself has been remembered until this day, then her real name would have been remembered too, if it wasn't intentionally concealed shortly after her discovery. As I said before, to prove that her real name hasn't been concealed for the last 30 years you will have to find a *recent* source that uses her real name. I have added a request at WP:BLP/N, hopefully we will get more input than we did with the WP:RFC/BIO For An Angel (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Quoting Wjhonson: "Doing historical research is part of our mission."

Wikipedia policy says "no original research". WP:NOR

In my opinion, citing another website where you have posted the results of your research is a violation of the intent, if not the letter, of the 'no original research' policy.

To look at this another way, WP:Verify says: "Self-published sources should never be used as third-party sources about living persons, even if the author is a well-known professional researcher or writer."

The other sources for the article, including the Nova transcript, use the name Genie. There is no good reason for Wikipedia to go further. Wanderer57 (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I too believe that it is inappropriate to use her real name in this article. This is a real woman, presumably living under her real name, with carers trying to give her as normal a life as possible. She probably goes out shopping, to the library, to day programs, to the beach. It is completely inappropriate for every Tom, Dick and Harriet with whom she interacts at the store/library/beach to have access to what should be a confidential history of abuse. Laws were clearly different in the past, but there are very good reasons why these days no child in similar circumstances would ever have their name released publicly. She was given the pseudonym Genie to protect her privacy, and her real name forgotten for reasons of confidentiality. BLP policy says "Do no harm". There is absolutely no benefit and very real possible harm from digging up her name. Wjhonson, I would go as far as to urge you to think about the implications of having her real name on your website. I realize it is a bit of a coup for a genealogist to have found all this out, but is it really appropriate (or even ethical) to let this particular Genie out the bottle? She is famous in psychology and linguistic circles and the possible harm of people knowing who she is, what she experienced, and getting interested in what she has become, are huge. Slp1 (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Susan Wiley (Part 3)

In the above there are a few misconceptions of policy. First looking up information in sources is never considered "original research", it is rather "source-based research" Original research involves the "creation" of new statements never before seen, not the discovery of statement already published. The vague BLP policy "do no harm" is further extrapolated into exact definitions. One of these covers names which "have not been widely disseminated". This is not that case. Her name has been widely disseminated. If you feel we should alter that language, I would suggest taking up this crusade on the BLP talk pages. This is not the appropriate place from which to change our long-standing policy. Wjhonson (talk) 20:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

You are right, this is the context of the "do no harm" sentence, which is an even stronger appeal that I made above:

Wikipedia articles that present material about living people can affect their subjects' lives. Wikipedia editors who deal with these articles have a responsibility to consider the legal and ethical implications of their actions when doing so. An important rule of thumb when writing biographical material about living persons is "do no harm". Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid, and as such it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. BLPs must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy.

And see this She is known for one thing in her life, her name was not included in any scholarly journal or work of recognized experts. Noone has published her real name for 30 years, hardly widely disseminated. You do not have consensus of other editors on this page to include her real name. It is totally irrelevant that it was included for a year. WP:BLP policy does not appear to support its inclusion. If you want to try and get consensus on the BLP page that the inclusion of this information, which adds nothing of significance to the article, should be included, feel free. --Slp1 (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)