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Panathinaikos FC

Well can you please make it clear to the user Karagounis that wiki is about facts and not personal preferences.He keeps reverting the article in order not to include Nikopolidis and Konstantinou in the notable past players only because of his sentiment towards them when they moved to Olympiakos team a couple of years ago.

They keep adding also a 1911 championship when the Greek FA was established in mid-20ies and noone recognized the title.I don't really want to be involved in a constant revert war to state the obvious.Maybe you can explain him.Eagle of Pontus

OK understood.To tell you the truth i didn't know that there was actually a 3 times revert rule,as i am thinking it, it makes sense.Thanks for the advice. Eagle of Pontus

Ante Pavelic

Please, do not contribute to the edit war here. You are an administrator - aren't you??? I verified the context and saw it well-referenced and accurate.

Hi There

I have wanted to smile at you for a long time

Why Wiki Why (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Kosovo Intro

Please add your suggested changes and post results @ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kosovo&action=edit&section=29

You are not fair at all

You banned the Greeks,because they think it is not fair,to use the term Republic of Macedonia,cause is not recognized from the united nations...You use fascists methods to spread F.Y.R.O.M S PROPAGANDA ON INTERNET....i will find the way to report you to other administrators...behaviours like yours are a shame for wikipedia,you are insulting all of us....This country has the name F.Y.R.O.M.official name not Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia...so be wise and change the name yourself..your actions are offensive and are giving power to hate and racism...i hope you will understand finally..

A Tale of Two Cities

Hello,

You edited the A Tale of Two Cities Wikipedia entry in March by revealing the ending of the book in the first paragraph of the introduction of the entry, where no spoilers are meant to appear. I was casually reading only the introduction entry, taking care not to read any further, 3/4 of the way through the book, when the ending was ruined for me by you. I would have preferred that you had left the intentional mistake there, inaccurate though it was. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

Josh Burkart Davis, CA, US

Unnecessary Comment

Man, what is your problem? All I did was leave a comment on a discussion page providing information about something that is inaccessible to most users, and your response is to go and leave a jerky comment on my talk page.

Advice

I advice you regarding violation of user:DIREKTOR for this restriction. Always DIREKTOR persists in several edit wars pushing his POV statements. Articles involved:

You can control history of these articles for evidence! Regards and best wishes. Nemo, 1 May 2008

Proposal

I hope all this madness with me is over. My proposal is that you symbolically release my account after so much time banned and I will discuss with you every new source as reliable before representing them User:Dodona

Your manipulation at Sarah Wiener article

I'm fully aware that you did this change not coming from your own knowledge or personal interest, but on behalf of the editors of that Article in the German section of wikipedia.

But I could only laugh about your try on the English version. What do you think what will happen, when I put a link to that article in an email to a animal right protection society in USA? That the German wikipedia is lost to the Vereinsmeierei is well know. But over here in the English section, it will only cost you any write privileges you have.

I know you will delete this forstanding text. Pity yourself for your misbehaviour.

DieWeisseRose: "That group and its archive have been deleted."

have you been able to find out when? there are 12 members belonging to wikiforpalestine who criteria for belonging required proof of pro-palestinian/anti-israel bias, active at wiki. should DieWeisseRose have a higher loyalty to a group undermining wiki?? the answer to this will prove that the wiki model is a failure in contentious issues. i would like to thank you for ignoring my request given earlier. it also demonstrates what wiki is all about.Davidg (talk)

RE:Speedies

Hello, I don't particularly like it when another admin comes to my talk page arguing in the manner you did. A simple note asking for an explanation suffices. Last night I performed over 200 image deletions while cleaning out CAT:CSD, so forgive me if I may have made a mistake (which seems I may have with the second photo, but Ill get to that). First off, if you are an admin and feel a photo meets CSD criteria, than use your buttons and take responsibility for it. The only other reason I can see that another admin would not delete a photo would be a COI, or the admin wants a second opinion. So by you tagging the image instead of deleting it, you put the power to decide in another's hands. And now I AM " position to "decline" anything here," because I am an administrator of this Wikipedia. So next time you want a page deleted, do it yourself and you won't run into any problems. Now to the first photo, the image in question has been on Wikipedia for three years, and has two rationales for fair-use. That alone takes away speedy, because the uploader is making an attempt at following policy, and the photo has obviously been seen by a heck of a lot of people and never deleted. NFCC#8 usually allows photos that show characters in-character, as there never is a free alternative. Even, if you feel this doesnt meet this criteria, it is debatable, and thus not speedy. Speedy is for blatant cases, where there is no doubt the photo doesnt meet one of our criteria. Take the image to WP:IFD if you want to get it deleted, and allow the community to decide. The second photo, I didnt see the talk page, all I saw was what appeared to be a very old painting that met the tag that was on it, so my bad. I don't see why the statement that was on the talk page wasn't placed on the tag so an admin could easily see it, but heck Ill take the blame for that one (and I see you already deleted it, make sure you delete the talk page too). In conclusion, next time you have a beef with me, coming to my talk page the way you did does not help the situation, and if you are going to put the decision in someone else's hand, be ready for a decision you don't want. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 14:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First off, you are taking this way to seriously. Personally, I dont care about, nor do I have any interest in this photo. To me, it was one decision out of 300 last night. I do not need to argue my point until someone complains about it. If we had to do that on Wikipedia, nothing would get done. And get over the fact that I "disrespected" you, cause thats a load of crap. This is a Wiki, look at WP:BRD, you were bold, I reverted, and then discussion ensues. I dont care if a newbie or Jimbo himself is the other editor, I felt that your speedy was unjustified, so I reverted to the previous version, which contrary to your belief is perfectly within my authority to do. Admins are allowed to decline any speedy they feel is unjustified, it is not meant to "disrespect" the tagger, its just a decision. And you, being an admin yourself, do you really feel that you were respectful to me and the way you wrote your comment was the most productive wording? I really would like to hear an answer to that.

Now to the image, here's my argument:

Image:Ep01 tony.jpg provides a description, a source link, a licensing tag, and fair-use rationales for each page it is being used in.
The image in question shows a real person portraying a copyrighted character of a famous TV show, a subject of public interest, thus there is no free alternative that would be able to portray the person while "in-character."
The image has been hosted on Wikipedia servers for just under 3 years (this is not a reason to not delete, just a reason to not speedy), thus thousands of editors and administrators have viewed the image in question and have not acted to delete it.
It is only used to portray the character, where the articles in question both address and comment on said character. This allows readers to be able to not only be told what the character looks like, but also be able to view the character, thus "increasing the reader's understanding of the subject."
Without this photo, it would be detrimental to the readers understanding of the character.
The policy you are throwing at me (WP:NFCC#8, is being discussed, as the policy is not clear and many editors are confused by it! Do you really think you should be basing your whole argument on a disputed policy?
Please, if you really care that much, just bring the photo to WP:IFD and let the community decide. Another admin clearly disagrees with you, thus WP:IFD is the place to bring it. And in the future, be a little nicer, I am a fellow admin and thus deserve at least a tiny bit respect before you come accusing me of disrespecting you. The whole way you started out your post turned me off from you right away. All you had to do was say "Hey, you declined this speedy, could you elaborate on your reasoning?" and I would have been more than happy to give you my full reasoning. I would see it as very poor taste to just go and delete the photo by yourself, as per the obvious disagreement, the fact that technically that would appear to be wheel-warring, and the fact that this is clearly not a blatant case. I hope that this explanation suffices, and that you take my advice. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 01:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To address your numbered points:

(1) Per WP:WHEEL: "A wheel war is a struggle between two or more administrators in which they undo one another's administrative actions," my administrative action was declining the speedy, thus you deleting for the same reason without any change would constitute such a war. But this is not my point, nor do I care to argue it, as I would obviously not go running to WP:AN/I because you deleted the image.

(2) I again made it clear that I was not saying that the image should not be deleted because it is an old upload. I said that this is a reason for there to be a discussion before deletion, as it obviously has been hosted here for a long time without any action, meaning that some users may want to comment on the deletion. I specifcally endorsed going to WP:IFD so such a discussion could happen.

(3) The CSD criteria for deleting an image based on NFCC is that it obviously fails one of the criteria. I have no doubt in my mind that you have a good point about it not being useful enough to satisfy the criteria, but it is not obvious or blatant, especially when someone else gives you reasoning on why it isn't blatant. Again, this is why I asked for you to go to WP:IFD.

(4) I will work on providing a short reason for such deletions, but I still hold true to the belief of WP:BRD, where I am always open for discussion of any of my actions, and will gladly undo any of my actions if someone feels I was wrong. If you would have come to me in a nicer manner, you would have realized this.

(5) My question still stands, do you think that the way you acted was appropriate?

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

dropping by, though I do not usually work with images. (and I am deliberately not looking at the items in question) In most situations it is highly preferable in most situations that an admin not directly delete an item, but just tag it. Any one of us is subject to making mistakes. I can not see objecting when someone places a tag and another admin removes it. That's the very purpose of CSD. I decline other admin's tags regularly, and other admins people decline some of my tags also. Any good faith dispute is for XfD. There is not much point in arguing between people when an established editor, admin or not, objects to a proposed speedy. That part of things belongs in XfD. And I would never replace a tag some other admin had removed, unless it were the most dramatically obvious sort of mistake . if an admin ever replaced a speedy I removed, unless I had obviously really goofed, i would certainly expect that he remove it. Though I can't remember anyone every doing it unless he had not noticed my action in the first place. Not doing so is indeed wheel-warring. DGG (talk) 13:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC) DGG (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All I ever protested against was the fact that he removed it without an edit summary (other than "decline"), which is exactly as impolite and disruptive as a bare "rv" or rollback in a normal content dispute between editors. Plus a couple of later statements that to my mind demonstrated poor grasp of the relevant policies. - I still disagree about the wheel-warring, although obviously I agree that in a situation where an earlier removal is backed by a tangible policy-based argument and a discussion-based process like IfD exists as an alternative, that is then the obvious choice. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:40, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I always use some sort of specific edit summary in declining a speedy, though I must admit I have them pre-built as macros, as situations tend to recur. The thing to do at this point is obviously for everyone to stand down about this. DGG (talk) 13:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BULGARIAN ETHNOGENESIS

Hey stop removing sourced data, that is a real data that describes Bulgarian anthropology from the snpa nordish website. Bulgarians are not only characterized by Mediterranean, there are other features as well like nordic, dinaric, central asian turanid, slavic and alpine. Bulgarians are mixed with all these types NOT JUST MEDITERRANEAN. In fact mediterranean are quite low. Mediterraneans are only in countries like spain, portugal, italy, greece and the middle eastern countries. NOT BULGARIA! So don't mess up the ethnogenesis section because I have given important sourced information from a good website. And the paragraph about relation to anatolian turks and armenians is total rubbish and that source is corrupt. Bulgarians are related to romanians, macedonians, bosnians and croats. Bulgarians are balkan people not middle easterners. Bulgarians have nothing to do with the middle easterners or the mediterraneans. As fact says Bulgarians are people that descended from a mix of indigeounous balkan people like the thracians and the illyrians, slavs, celts, central asian bulgars from western china of iranic stock and germanics.

Well the macedonian data which you say is unacceptable is unknown as i have nothing to do with it. BUT PLEASE leave the ethnogenesis section alone except that macedonian paragraph. delete that macedonian section if its unacceptable!--Ivailo82 (talk) 19:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Future, I see the chapter about Bulgarian ethnogenesis is fully vandalized from user as Ivailo 82. Please, bring it into order! Jingby (talk) 14:36, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User Titus001

Please, terrify this user (User:Titus001—he has no user page but he has a talk page: User talk:Titus001) by blocking him for a while. He changes the date of the end of the Roman Empire from 395 to 1453 with no reason. The 395 was a result of a major discussion and that user without having talked at all and without having expressed his opinion changes it. I tried to talk with him but he didn't answer. Dimboukas (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final decision in CAMERA lobbying arbitration case

This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above. Mere membership by an editor in some external group that has been involved in violations of policy is not actionable without evidence that the editor has some personal involvement in said violations. Sanctions previously imposed are confirmed. An amnesty is extended towards any editors who may have been involved in this external group and who have not been sanctioned for their participation in it. This is coupled with an expectation that these editors will not participate in similar efforts in the future. Members of the community who may have information regarding similar efforts by external groups to unduly influence our content are urged to forward that information to the Committee for review. Hypnosadist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is admonished to maintain an appropriate level of professionalism at all times, and to avoid misrepresenting Wikipedia policy to other editors. For the committee, — Rlevse • Talk • 20:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copy of Image:550px-Greece linguistic minoritiesb copy.jpg?

Do you have an un-POV'ed version of this map that you could re-upload? This chump has overwritten it yet again. I'd suggest protecting the image to stop him doing it again. I will be warning him about his editing too. -- ChrisO (talk) 22:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The original version is still in the history, we can revert it any time. In fact, it's probably hardly worth fighting over it now, because I'll re-draw parts of the map anyway, having found new and better information for Vlach (see User talk:Koryakov Yuri). Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:36, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hy

Me again,isn't this the same what i was doing here,and you baned me becouse of that????If you un baned me, i will show the sources just like you,i realy didn't know about that linking,and you should look my problem on Commons??!--Makedonij (talk) 10:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why dont you answer me ?????????????????--Makedonij (talk) 13:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, which exactly of your images do you think is similar to mine? Please note that copyright pertains to the graphical appearance of a map, not to the contents it represents. I re-drew the map independently (different colors, different arrangement of legends, etc.); it's quite dissimilar from its model except for the fact that both represent the same underlying data. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

edit summary

Is this edit-summary ok? I'm not a big fan of any of the people in it, but saying such things is not right. Balkanfever has been warned before for such summaries, but that one beats them all. --Laveol ^T 13:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You can watch the contributions of Special:Contributions/Laveol and see that more than 50% of his actions are engagement in negating the Macedonian Nation and its attributes.--Makedonij (talk) 17:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Personal information

What happens if someone has got personal info about a contributor and is sharing it with the world? I tried to dig out Wiki rules or guidelines about this, but couldn't. --Laveol ^T 21:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If somebody is trying that in earnest, that would be definitely blockable. (And if there's info posted that you want removed, you can e-mail Wikipedia:Oversight. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I e-mailed them. I hope it will be resolved soon. Raso and Makedonij have been discussing me for some time now in Macedonian, but the thing today was a real shock. They were just joking with me till now, but I made it clear I don't want my name to be used (I'm still trying to figure out how he did it). Can I remove it from Raso's talkpage now or should I wait for the oversight to do its work? --Laveol ^T 22:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, remove it. And watch out. My name is not Raso. I have a user name...Raso mk. --Raso mk (talk) 22:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Acatualy i speak whit Raso mk in Macedonian,with you i speak in english and you dont want to answer,also you dont want to do compromise about some pages..... No hard feellings,Pozdrav--Makedonij (talk) 13:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mike Babic

I have started actions because of copyright violations of this user ( [1] and [2] ) --Rjecina (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Images, copyrights

Here and here. Are they ok? Have the Balkanese finally learned how to correctly upload pictures? 3rdAlcove (talk) 07:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Με έγραψες ωρε Φράγκε; Ούτε μια απάντηση για τους τύπους δλδ. 3rdAlcove (talk) 11:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those two photographs seem more or less harmless to me. One could probably nitpick and find that there's this or that gap in their descriptions, but on the face of it the PD claims aren't too implausible, I'd say. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THX 3rdAlcove (talk) 11:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Permision

Can i upload some images in this page,they are copies from book,black and white,also you must see judgement on commons in problem which you report there. I'm waiting answer on my page??--Makedonij (talk) 15:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't this vandalism here?--Makedonij (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for help.--Makedonij (talk) 17:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

195.222.97.164

Hi Future, there's another IP running amok on Serbia-related articles. Possibly a sock of User:PANONIAN, here are his edits: [3]. What's your call on this guy? --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 15:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Problem with MOST (Association)

I have started to edit the mentioned article and after two minutes the article has been deleted by the administrator User:Cobaltbluetony without any reason or warning. I wrote him twise but obviously he doesnt want to answer me. I will ask you lake an administrator if you can to revert it so I can continue my work. I plan to finish the article and after that if you think that the article is not good delete it or live it like that. here are the reasons why the article should be there:

The biggest NGO in Macedonia
Participate on many elections in European countries
Has more than 10.000 members...so on.

and I hope so that you will understand my problem. Regards--Raso mk (talk) 22:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to back up Raso here - see [4]--Laveol ^T 12:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please revert the article because there were good references that I cannot find them right now. And there was a good stub. Thank you --Raso mk (talk) 20:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Hegumen_again

I thought that you, as the blocking admin, may be interested in reviewing/commenting per the above. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia

I do not know if you have noticed but there is small problem (and there is no controversy) in this article. During this year User:NeroN BG is deleting [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Serbia&diff=202523439&oldid=202519047 again] and again without explanation Holocaust accepted sources (USHMM, Yad Vashem, and Jewish Virtual Library) and changing them with Jasenovac research institute (this is not Jasenovac museum) which is having aim to :"understand the true context and history of war crimes and civil wars in Balkan history" [5]. During february 2008 I have tried to start discussion about sources [6].He has not answered but only continued to delete again and again statements from USHMM, Yad Vashem and Jewish Virtual Library . I am sure that in next few days he will again delete statements confirmed with this sources..--Rjecina (talk) 03:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oversight

Hi. Can you please clarify something for me, if you know about this? Editors are not allowed to modify or remove other editors comments - right? If editor A has made a comment including the fact that editor B is the author of an article (presumably editor B's name is on the article), is editor B allowed to modify/remove the comment? Isn't it meant to be left alone and referred to requests for oversight? (particularly because editor B is clearly involved in a dispute with editor A) Cheers. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the backgrounds (especially not how and why A thought he knew B was the author of that paper, and whether B really had a legitimate reason to expect that information was private), but supposing for the sake of argument that B's complaint is legitimate, removal strikes me as okay. Note that offending edits on a high-traffic page need to be reverted quickly, before oversight can even get active. If many people have added more comments after an edit, there's no way even oversight could get rid of it later. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. This is concerning an editor who was already warned by a notable admin [7] not to remove or alter other people's comments and explicitly told "Mucking with the comments of others is not acceptable. If you feel something is inappropriate, please raise the issue to the attention of uninvolved administrators, via WP:ANI or another appropriate venue". See my edit summary on this edit [8]. Then he reverts it [9] and leaves this bogus warning on my page [10]. Please look into it. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:56, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Macedonians template

Oh, sorry! I think I updated the template per another edit request, and later that day another editor contacted me about an image vote that appeared to be concluded, with consensus favouring the sun image. So I didn't think much of it when I requested the edit (and would've done it myself if I knew how). I hadn't realised that there was so much controversy about it, but I knew nothing of the image etc. so apologies. Ooh, what a response on the talk page though; oh well, it's hardly unexpected as my edit was much more controversial than it first seemed!! So apologies, and thanks for letting me know. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hegumen

I apologize for evading my ban. Please see this. --124.182.46.34 (talk) 18:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be out of the question to have my comment reposted prior to the expiration of my ban? --124.182.46.34 (talk) 18:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I just cracked. It's really quite stressful having to refute such things. I'm sorry for causing such a disruption. I think I'll take a break, completely abandon my current account and possibly create a new one some time in the near future. It was nice working with you. --124.182.139.162 (talk) 18:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination

Gee, I'd have to nominate them in a new section? I'd rather not bother at all, tbh. They don't bother me and the usual suspects might cry "WIKI RACISM". What's the point in nominating any if "we keep dealing with these kinds of userpage elements and they keep bouncing back at us." anyway? Freedumb for everyone. 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His Way

Hey Fut.Perf., long time no talk! I was looking at the recent edit war at Komotini, and I have to say that Aee1980 (talk · contribs) reminds me of our old friend. Do you think he wants it Hiswayyy? ;-) Khoikhoi 11:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All we like sheep
Have gone astra-a-a-a-a-a-ayyyy
We have turnèd
Everyone to his own wa-a-ayyyyy....

See, old friendship never loses its fascination... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blair Witch image

Yes, please undelete and let me know when you do so, so I can go in and fix it. Thanks for the offer. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Might I truble you to take a gander at it so as to ensure it has been licensed and summarized correctly? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks fine to me. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and thanks for re-adding it to the article. I now have it in my watchlist, to keep an eye on it. I might as well check out and watchlist the images in the other articles I am working on. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protection

Can he really do that? --Laveol ^T 19:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Try logging out and editing the page, and you'll see if his protection worked :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia

As you saw,I am fighting against anti-serbian propaganda.I will not allow to Croats ,and similar to write bad things about Serbia and their personal opinions.I deleted things about some 'attrocities' etc.And I will do it again.Maybe you support their opinions.If someone is overtly tendentious and non-neutral,that is User:R-41 and User:Rjecina . You can stop me,but you can't stop the truth.

User:Bg007

Ok,honestly,you are so complicate about rules to upload a image.You deleted numerous time,so I thought that is the easiest way for upload.Sorry about this,it will not happen again. User:Bg007 There are 5 images: File:Beli Dvor unutrasnjost.jpg , File:White Castle Art.jpg, File:White Castle1.jpg, File:Image:White Castle1.jpg, File:Beli Dvor pogled.jpg And 'cause you speak many languages well,are you a team(CIA or MI5) or one person? Cheers! User:Bg007

Ma Again

About baned from uploading,did you see this ? Maybe you will want to put another opinion there? Dont judge me becouse my bad english, i didn't want to enoy nobody (almost). See that page please and then a tell me what do you think? --Makedonij (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you protected then, from unregistred users?--Makedonij (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

image

Hi, thats alright if you choose to ban me for a short while. Just a question how can i upload picture's like banner/masthead or the flag? I know they arent self made but i didnt know what other category to post them under? Could you please tell me for future reference.? PMK1 (talk) 22:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

serbia

Bg007 is jeopardizing not only the Serbia article but also other Balkan-related ones in a biased and vandal-like manner. He should be denied the rights to continue doing so until he proves himself to be at least a semi-proffessional editor. Regards, NeroN_BG

UfD?

[11] Ugh, XfD where X="User" does not exist yet, does it? :-) Niko Silver 12:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It does, almost. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[12] [13] Much tempted to officialize it... Niko Silver 13:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK,what do you have against me?? You think that i'm nationalist ?? NO I'M NOT!!! I'm fighter for freedom, for all peoples, but it is not shure if that could be saied for others, who dont like me!!--Makedonij (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Future p.s, why are you not answering me ?--Makedonij (talk) 16:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps he is too busy laughing. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dodona clone ??

FP i can be clone , it is not my fall that the other support me, please do not delete the sources nothing it is made up or it si fake , I hope you define my ban afterall because i had enough.Greeks are lying can you see. What idea of mine you exactly oppose and why??Can we have a deal i will respected it.

But, Dodona, one of your sources actually states that the upper macedonians, tribes considered akin to the Epirotes I believe, were greek-speaking. What would Pirro Burri say? 3rdAlcove (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think you got a long tradition in bilingualisem.

FP can we discuss my proposel?--Shqiptari i epirit (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Something for you, please this is not in Macedonian so you could probebly read it!-)--Makedonij (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Come on, now. Macedonian genocide? There were "ethnic cleansings" all over the Balkans at that time but that's ridiculous. Since 1800(!), no less... 3rdAlcove (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With a genocide raging that long, its a wonder that any are left, or are busy editing Wikipedia, instead of fleeing the death squads.;) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thats a tad distastefull. PMK1 (talk) 04:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does that refer to Arcayne's comment or Makedonij's intellectual pornography? --Tsourkpk (talk) 06:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image: MakAlbania

Future Perfect... I think I already wrote my argument done earlier, if it was possible to create an image then someone would have done it by now (obviously). Look, the only complaints I'm getting from are Greeks, it figures that every little error is immediately argued against. I wonder how many Greek photos are under the same situation. If I were to do the same action, it would be reasonable that you would state an argument and simply ignore my statements. The photo contains more then just the flag, it also contains Macedonians, buildings and environment. We had another photo which contained that but it got deleted (I'm sure you had NOTHING to do with it). Anyways, its like an image fully shown and one zoomed in to show just a certain item. If its such a big deal I'll change the caption. Mactruth (talk) 07:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1) When another photo is AVAILABLE it will be replaced, until then it should remain, it doesn't mean its laziness. You forget that Macedonians in Albania hardly have running water let alone COMPUTERS and I live half way around the world and find it a bit challenging to go there with my schedule at the moment (Sorry I don't know if you get paid to be on Wikipedia for being an administrator, but I dont).

2) Sorry, but I myself feel Greeks on Wikipedia are given a lot more freedom to say or write what they want. And I understand your liberal but it is difficult for an outsider to comprehend Macedonia.

3) I have viewed many many many photos that are copyright violations, yet no arguments to them. For the images, many Greek photos are conveniently "self made" whether it be a singer or tanks. I suggest you take a good look and go through them when possible.

4) I don't view the non-free images as showing the same things. Yes, one does have the flag but it also contains many other features to itself that are unique, but if that is the case I will simply update another image that is dangerously similar. Mactruth (talk) 08:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to show you how far it goes, look at this [[14]] and read the information BEFORE I edited it. This page has been snuck into Wikipedia for TWO YEARS without any administrator raising a word which has been created by Greeks with an intent to MONOPOLIZE the term Macedonia. The article (before my editing) was pure Greek POV and only talked about Greek Macedonia, yet they tried to sell this as the "modern Macedonia" without any statements or reviews from any administrator. Two years?! Mactruth (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Macedonia Naming Dispute is rediculously POV bias towards the Greek side, any argumentation from Macedonians that make Greece look bad are not included for a variety of reasons, why arent these informations included?

I also have sources (cant find them rite now) in which Greek priests state to take over Macedonia. Yet none of these are in the Wikipedia article Mactruth (talk) 08:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Macedonia naming dispute is terrible, I know that. But that has nothing to do with your image uploads. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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+FP can we discuss my proposel?--[[User:Shqiptari i epirit|Shqiptari i epirit]] ([[User talk:Shqiptari i epirit|talk]]) 18:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
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