User talk:Pinkville

Earlier Discussions ~ Jun 2005–Sep 2006

Earlier Discussions ~ Sep 2006–Sep 2007

Earlier Discussions ~ Sep 2007–Apr 2008

my RfA - Ta!

Gwen gleans, wending keen by the wikirindle.

Thanks for so strongly supporting my RfA, which went through 93/12/5. Your thoughtful words helped so much! I'll be steadfast in this trust the en.Wikipedia community has given me. Cheers! Gwen Gale (talk) 01:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Seydou Keita

Greetings! You recently created somewhat of a mess by moving Seydou Keïta (footballer) to Seydou Keïta II (footballer). Moving pages can sometimes be a bit complicated (I have also created similar messes in the past), and I see you have taken steps to solve the issue. May I just point out that instead of disambiguating two persons with the same name and profession by naming them I and II it's better to disambiguate by adding nationality, or, if nationality also is the same, birthyear (in this case Seydou Keita (Malian footballer) or Seydou Keita (footballer born 1980). In this case there seem to not have been a dab-issue in the first place, so moving Seydou Keïta II (footballer) back to Seydou Keïta (footballer) would solve all issues (even if I'd prefer Seydou Keita (footballer) which is the most common spelling). Respectfully, Sebisthlm (talk) 15:19, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah... if only the two names had actually been identical! I got entangled in the Seydou/Salif Keïta net, but the key problems have been resolved and I'll tidy up any loose ends. Thanks for your comments! I decided to keep "Keïta" for both footballers since they are relatives, previously the surname had been rendered differently for each. Pinkville (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I see. The reason I moved Seydou to "Keita" is that after a brief search I didn't find any sources that suggested that he uses diacritics (including both the sources in the article and the official FC Barcelona Site). Moreover, the initial move from Keita to Keïta was made without discussion, and not by you (otherwise I would of course have consulted you). In alignment with the spelling within the article and other articles like Centre Salif Keita and Stade Centre Salif Keita, I thought the article should be at "Keita" unless reliable sources would suggest a different spelling. On the other hand, as a Swede I'm sensitive to the use of diacritics (Å, Ä and Ö are letters in their own right in Swedish) so if it can be established that mr Keita actually spells his name with diacritics I'm all for a move back to Seydou Keïta (footballer). I also notice that of the articles in other languages the Spanish, Italian and Latvian versions use diacritics. Sebisthlm (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

I think you were perfectly right. I looked into the sources for Salif Keïta, and they exclusively gave "Keita", without diacritical, so I think this article should be moved accordingly - but I can't do it myself (the move requires an administrator). As for the other languages, it's possible that the diacritics derive from Spanish, Italian or French transliterations, given their closer colonial proximity to Mali, if you see what I mean. But the linguistic issue is territory I know next to nothing about. I'll see about getting Salif Keïta (footballer) moved to Salif Keita (footballer). Pinkville (talk) 01:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Um. Hoary (talk) 01:38, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean I could have typed less? thanks again. Pinkville (talk) 02:00, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Interestingly, most instances of "Keita" in the Library of Congress Authorities (very reliable, authoritative source for name orthography in English) prefer the variants without diacritics, but for Salif Keïta, the singer, they give the following scope note:

Keïta, Salif, |d 1949-

670 __ |a Ambassadeurs Internationaux (Musical group). Dance music from West Africa [SR] p1984: |b label (Salif Keita) container (b. in Mali; musician & songwriter; not to be confused with soccer player of same name)

Hard to conclude from this that the footballer also uses the diacritic, but the suggestion is there. (There is no entry in the Library of Congress Authorites for the footballer.) Furthermore, the Wikipedia article on the singer does not use the diacritic that LibCon prefers. So very messy.... Pinkville (talk) 01:41, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

quelle iconnerie

So put me straight, please. . . . Hoary (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Now you've done it! You've compelled me to go to the university library to dig into books that I'd hoped to have laid to rest... Pinkville (talk) 13:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

could you please do me a favor?

Hello,

I am a master student at the Institute of Technology Management, National Tsing Hua University, Taiwan. Currently I am wrapping up my master thesis titled “Can Wikipedia be used for knowledge service?” In order to validate the knowledge evolution maps of identified users in Wikipedia, I need your help. I have generated a knowledge evolution map to denote your knowledge activities in Wikipedia according to your inputs including the creation and modification of contents in Wikipedia, and I need you to validate whether the generated knowledge evolution map matches the knowledge that you perceive you own it. Could you please do me a favor?

1. I will send you a URL link to a webpage on which your knowledge evolution map displays. Please assign the topic (concept) in the map to a certain cluster on the map according to the relationship between the topic and clusters in your cognition, or you can assign it to ‘none of above’ if there is no suitable cluster.
2. I will also send a questionnaire to you. The questions are related to my research topic, and I need your viewpoints about these questions.

The deadline of my thesis defense is set by the end of June, 2008. There is no much time left for me to wrap up the thesis. If you can help me, please reply this message. I will send you the URL link of the first part once I receive your response. The completion of my thesis heavily relies much on your generous help.

Sincerely

JnW^talk 07:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'd be happy to help. You can use my Wikipedia email to send me the URL. Pinkville (talk) 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello, here is the link

Pretest webpage

If you have any question during pretest, please contact me.

Please finish it before 25 June. Thanks a lot. :)

JnW^talk 14:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Great! I'll get to it as soon as I can (until the end of today I'm busy with my RfA. Pinkville (talk) 14:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. This page will exist even after deadline. So just take your time. But I still hope that you can finish it early. :)

JnW^talk 09:57, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've completed the pretest, but two articles did not load properly* - undoubtedly because their titles include diacritics: Yokoyama Matsusaburō and Kameya Tokujirō. Pinkville (talk) 13:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

* They both loaded as articles "to be created", like this.

I am sorry about that. It's because the locale character-set code. My program cannot present the special character well. But still thank you for completing it.

And the questionnaire is completed. Link:

evaluation questionnaire

Thanks for doing this questionnaire, and I hope that you will feel interested about this. :)

JnW^talk 04:25, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

howdy

sorry to pop up out of the blue like this, but i was wondering if i could just ask you a favor - the article on Naomi Klein is pretty regularly besieged by pov editors attempting to violate WP:undue by focusing disproportionately on the minority of criticisms of her recent book while failing to acknowledge the overwhelming majority of praise. whatever one's personal feelings on the book, it's pretty inarguable that it was well reviewed by most people, which wikipedia should naturally reflect. sorry to ask you, but i've been dealing with the same people for months, and it gets pretty boring reverting the same silliness over and over. i got into a thing like this over on the ralph nader page a few months ago with a user who was later found to be a sock puppet and blocked. if you could just keep an eye on it from time to time, it would be much appreciated. i'll be posting this message on a few other user pages just in case you've got your plate full or just plum don't wanna do it. thanks Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 13:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd be glad to help out as much as I can. If it weren't for the good work of people like Klein, et al we'd have many fewer opportunities to use our editing skills... ;~) Pinkville (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

cheers man! Marshmellowgoggles (talk) 16:52, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Emile Gsell

Thank you for changing links on the French arcticle.

Your culture in photography (and your work on wikipedia) is very impressive.

Jatayou (talk) 21:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Happy to help. Thank you very much. Pinkville (talk) 21:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Nomination

Hi. I'm glad you've accepted. We'll start it soon after mine has finished. Regards. Epbr123 (talk) 05:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks. Pinkville (talk) 10:50, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Are you ready to start the RfA? Epbr123 (talk) 22:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I am indeed ready! Pinkville (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Question

Just so you know, I've left you an additional question on your RFA. Take your time on the answer for this one--I really want to support you! :) Malinaccier (talk) 01:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! :~) I'll try to give it my best. Pinkville (talk) 02:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA

Best of luck for your RFA -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 09:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Pinkville (talk) 10:30, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

You are now an administrator

Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 22:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much! Pinkville (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, that went quite well. Congratulations and enjoy the tools! Epbr123 (talk) 23:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the nomination and the kind words. I have a feeling not all RfAs go that smoothly... ;~) Pinkville (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Next month, Bureaucrat? -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Why the heck not! Pinkville (talk) 23:34, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I haven't interacted with you much, but I would like to say congratulations on your successful RfA. Good luck with the tools! -- SchfiftyThree 00:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the good wishes! Hope we'll cross paths again soon. Pinkville (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrads, Pinkville. Use it wisely. :-) --Mizu onna sango15/水女珊瑚15 00:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'll do my best. Pinkville (talk) 01:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats pinkville, feel free to take a look at my admin dashboard here: User:Xenocidic/dashboard. It can be transcluded, or just pilfered the old way. happy admniming.

Thank you! Handy dash! Pinkville (talk) 01:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on your Adminship !!! BlueQ99 (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

What about the workers?

This just popped up in my watchlist: (User rights log); 22:56 . . WJBscribe (Talk | contribs | block) changed rights for User:Pinkville from (none) to sysop (Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pinkville)

So the editing proletariat and peasantry have "rights (none)".

The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a Wikipedia to win. Workers of the world, unite! -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

¡No Pasarán! Pinkville (talk) 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

\o/ Yay! Gwen Gale (talk) 23:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A fine, fine selection! Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 23:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah... All Power to the People! Pinkville (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Another helpful link from the site any IP can edit :) Gwen Gale (talk) 23:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

A bureaucrat? Pinkville (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ask his big sister, she taught him everything he needed to know. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, these are priceless. They're like images from The Evangelical Church of the Silicon Bible... Pinkville (talk) 00:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of Willy On Wheels... :) Gwen Gale (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Shiva H. Vishnu! Pinkville (talk) 00:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, along with the most active editors at M-theory. I do know Power Puff Girls is owned. Gwen Gale (talk) 00:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

... ... . . . . I die.. . . in a sp ray . of .. pix els .. . . Pinkville (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

About your RfA

The admins' T-shirt. Acalamari 01:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. I am glad you passed, and you are welcome for the support. For information on using your new tools, see the school for new admins; you will find it very useful. Good luck! Acalamari 01:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all... and the t-shirt (though it's a little small for me :~)) Pinkville (talk) 01:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

There's some truly weird shinola in the school for new admins. Here's the list of contents, with my "seasoned, experienced" comments:

• Blocking
  • Humdrum stuff. Till recently I didn't use the official templates because I never remembered what they were. Now I use them but I still don't remember what they are, and have to look them up, damn.
• Deleting
  • This one's a doddle.
• Protecting
  • This too.
• Protecting deleted pages
  • I always forget how to do this one. It hardly matters, as the need only arises about once a month.
• Rollback
  • Really easy.
• Rollback granting and revoking
  • I've never done it. If anyone asked me, I suppose I'd have to go through their edit history (yawn); but if I then didn't like what I saw I wouldn't grant it and if I did like it I'd just put them up for admin, which as you've discovered is no big deal.
• Viewing deleted pages and contributions
  • Can be blackly humorous. You'll gain a new understanding of the depths of human vanity, etc., when you see "deleted" pages.
• (new!) Dealing with disputes
  • Toggle "horse sense" ON.
• (new!) Accountcreator granting and revoking
  • I'd never even heard of "Accountcreator".

Hoary (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the Coles Notes* version of Administration. Thanks! Oh, what hijinks await...?! Pinkville (talk) 15:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

* In fact, infamous for failing to provide summaries of whole scenes from such minor and obscure literature as Hamlet, and for muddling the identities of characters.

Congratulations! Feel free to ask me if you need any help. :) GlassCobra 01:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You're on my watchlist! :~) Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 01:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I have added {{administrator}} to your user page. Hope you dont mind ;) -- TinuCherian ^{(Wanna Talk?)} - 01:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Quite reasonable. Thank you. Pinkville (talk) 02:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats from a fellow admin... good luck with the tools! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 06:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!!:)Λua∫Wise ^{(Operibus anteire)} 06:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks folks! Pinkville (talk) 10:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful request for adminship. --Kaaveh (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 21:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

RFA

My pleasure, and congratulations! Jayjg ^(talk) 00:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Pinkville (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Mop

The "real world" beckons. I see you're up and around; could I ask you to put Cary Herrman on your watchlist? Thanks. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Barely up, but I comply! :~) Pinkville (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Gotta luv that photo though... Pinkville (talk) 01:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Amazing bit of shadow and light, that photo, but none of the references cited in the article meet RS :) Gwen Gale (talk) 01:38, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You noticed that too? ;~) Pinkville (talk) 01:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

There's some weird shinola going on; check my recent edits. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, curious. I'm guessing it's still just a matter of unfortunate coincidental meeting of desperate attempts to save lame article with misguided attempt to deal with user talk page sullying... Will keep an eye, though, 'cuz it could get worse... Pinkville (talk) 02:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Almost. See my explanation to Hoary. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 02:39, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Just noticed that. But feel free to ask another admin to block under such circumstances - annoying situation, isn't it. :~) Pinkville (talk) 02:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

You're probably right, but I resisted the temptation for an indefinite block.  :) Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 02:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

That took fortitude! :~) Like Hoary, I'm keeping watch on this in case you'd like some "outside" intervention. Pinkville (talk) 02:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Canadian photography

Would this chap be the cynosure of the vernissages that you frequent? Or what's the skinny? -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of him. I never really know when it comes to Rawk Photographers... this one is very uninteresting, but presumably legit. The nickname anecdote is obviously encyclopedic, of course. Pinkville (talk) 11:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, his name is fascinating, fascinating. I have, however, felt myself obliged to make certain edits to other ingredients of this article. Hm, what if the article were to start "Omer Cordell is a photographer named "Impson", after the Simpsons"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Faint praise, indeed. And I think your proposed lead is much better than the current version. Pinkville (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

From the only substantial independent bibliographic source in the article, the interview at Metal-rules.com, we find this less than encouraging admission:

Are you able to make a living at photography?

Unfortunately I’m not doing this full time yet. I’d love to have this as my only income some day, though, it’s a very tough market to get into. I have a day job, but every other job aside from what I want to do seems trivial to me.

And what he wants to do is daunting:

Sure, someone can look at my work and say “Hey! This looks just like so and so’s work,” but my point is that I don’t go to the library or the bookstore and look at photography books to get inspired. I want to create something from my own mind-frame and try to produce something that is semi-original...

Although the interview was conducted in 2004, the fact that no later interviews have been cited suggests that we may have both done too much work on this article already... Salvageable or AfDable? Pinkville (talk) 13:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It's already been AfD'd, so it shouldn't be sent there again till everything is crystal clear to all.

Of course I'd have voted DEL if I'd known about it, but I didn't know about it, because WP HOP doesn't have a routine deletion-notification subpage. Till recently it didn't have a list for how many articles there were of which level of completion; it recently got one, but then some bot wiped it out. -- Hoary (talk) 14:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a sad little AfD. That's an even sadder botched job. There's some consolation in hoping that someday, I'll also be well known in my phylosophy for shooting film. Pinkville (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

<- Curiously, Omer gets more (and more recent) Google hits under his "unfortunate former last name" ("Shaked") than he does as "Omer Cordell"... Of course, they may not all be the same Omer "Impson" who is planning a more profound book about his travels around the world. Pinkville (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Meanwhile. . . . Hoary (talk) 15:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I'd say a pretty successful user talk page exchange, with an as yet unsuccessful article... If only the Goddesses would spare us any more rock photographers. Pinkville (talk) 15:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

If Impson doesn't show up at the vernissages, how about this fella? -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that one during my RfA... apparently Canada is a particularly good breeding ground for these... things. I'll look at his CV a little more closely, but I have a feeling that e/mailing a few dozen notable artists/photographers doesn't confer notability on the sender... Pinkville (talk) 13:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Are you hep to this cat? -- Hoary (talk) 15:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I ain't that hep... I'll have to look more closely after work. Pinkville (talk) 15:26, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Mop and bucket, please!

And not your new ones, just the bog standard ones. If you have time, that is. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed (I think). -- Hoary (talk) 07:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Gee, sorry I came to this so late. I didn't visit Wikiland last night. Does this need to be deleted now? I find this all rather confusing... Pinkville (talk) 13:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. I rather supposed that if it were useless then somebody who knows about this stuff would remove it.

Well, you could always assuage your conscience by blocking a few people, I suppose. -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Resistance is futile (or, as they say in the US, Resistance is feudal). Pinkville (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, does that ogg file actually play what it purports to? Unfortunately, my workplace PC doesn't deign to play such files... Pinkville (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I'll try it tomorrow. Our workplace PCs are WinVaster, full of bloatware. I chucked the application form for what could have been mine into the wastebin and continued to use my Kubuntu box instead. I install on it the software I want to install, no more and no less. (Stick it to The Man!) -- Hoary (talk) 16:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that VinWaster? What a tragedy! Pinkville (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Or you could use a mop and bucket after one of these. -- Hoary (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

And does this simply take a long time to update - or is there still a problem? Pinkville (talk) 13:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I think it's supposed to spider the various projects once every few days. But I don't know. -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe I saw a note to that effect, but I don't remember the context. Pinkville (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

It was worth a try

...thank you for your noble effort to help out with that user. After this, I think Gwen did the right thing. If he comes back with more abuse I'll protect the page (unless someone else sees it first). Appreciate you trying, though: sometimes it works. Antandrus (talk) 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

And thank you. I think everybody did a very good job on this case. And you, Acroterion and (of course) Gwen Gale showed admirable restraint under great provocation. There seemed to be a (very) slim chance of a better outcome, but that inexcusable edit corked it. Who'd have thought Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan could inspire such heights of over-the-top hostility? Pinkville (talk) 00:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You did a fine job of patient explanation. Most of the time it doesn't work, but every now and then we reel somebody back from the brink. Abuse comes with the territory, as does a thick skin. Acroterion _(talk) 01:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. And well done to you! I've seen the "patient explanation" approach work once or twice (so much time spent on talk pages vs. article pages!), but this looked like a doomed case from early on... Pinkville (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You'll know you've truly arrived when there's a thread at AN/I with your name on it and the words "admin abuse" and "desysop" in the text.

As for the Jovian satellite, I'd let it go. He's been around long enough to know better, but he doesn't seem to be making a habit of it, and I personally give a lot more slack on talk pages. It's all poor form, especially the patronizing tone and stepping on your edits, but not worth your time or worry. Acroterion _(talk) 02:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)