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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 23:44, 6 January 2009 [1].
previous FLC (11:13, 3 August 2008)
I have edited the article since its failed FLC, and I think it meets standards. This follows my format from List of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim managers and List of Seattle Mariners managers. Thanks for the comments in advance. --LAAFansign review 05:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For reference [3], I believe {{citenews}} would be a better template to use rather than {{citeweb}} since ESPN, a news network, is the publisher. Don't forget to include "author=Associated Press" and "date=2006-11-08" to the template. Done
- There's a problem with the table. "Reference" is where "Awards" is supposed to be, etc. Done
- ESPN is linked in one of the references, but why isn't Baseball-Reference linked in the others? Done Removed ESPN link.
- Heh, I actually meant for you to link them all, not delink it... RyanCross @ 19:02, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've done it myself. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Statistics are accurate through the 2007 MLB season." – I think it would make more sense to add that to the "Managers" section than the "Key" section. Done
— RyanCross @ 06:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments from Killervogel5
- Replace the en-dashes used for blanks with em-dashes.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Baseball-reference.com is not a publisher; it is a work. The publisher is Sports Reference LLC. All of the B-R references need to be changed.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In the lead, link playoffs to "Playoffs#Playoffs in Major League Baseball."
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ted Williams is the only Rangers manager to have been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame." - reference
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The asterisk does not appear bold in the table so it should not be bold in the key.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "GC-games coached" should be "GM-games managed", since coaches and managers in baseball are distinct.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no general managers' table or information in the article (list) itself, so that information should be removed from the lead. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 14:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. — RyanCross (talk) 22:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "and 13 general managers (GMs)." is still there. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:15, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Missed that one. Thanks, now removed. — RyanCross (talk) 01:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- This should be updated to include the 2008 season since it is complete.
- Done. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- You discuss very few managerial superlatives or anything of that nature in the lead. See List of Philadelphia Phillies managers or List of Minnesota Twins managers for examples. An overview of franchise history is important as well considering the team's move.
- Done. RyanCross @ 00:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." - needs a reference. Who says they were "interim"?
- Removed and moved to talk page until ref is found.
- "it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season." - by whom? This needs a reference or the wording should be altered.
- Reworded. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no sorting. There is also no reference at all to pennants or championships won.
- Referenced. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Table rows should be able to stand alone, so all years in the table should be linked, and there should be a line in the key table explaining that years are linked to the corresponding Senators'/Rangers' season.
- Partially done. I've only linked all the years so far for this one. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally (KV5)
- The "focus on interim managers" that was never addressed in the previous FLC is still present and should have been fixed before any re-nom was attempted.
- Not sure what you mean. More info please? — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 21:53, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll try to complete some of these. Give me some time. RyanCross @ 22:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course. Cheers, and if you need a hand, let me know. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've done several, will continue later. RyanCross @ 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course. Cheers, and if you need a hand, let me know. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 22:10, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I've done as much as I can for now. — RyanCross (talk) 07:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - many prose problems that goes against WP:WIAFL
- There have been 23 managers in the history of the Texas Rangers Major League Baseball franchise. - this should not be the opening sentence, the following sentence should open the list.
- The Rangers are based in Arlington, Texas and are members of the American League West division. - this should be reworded as The Rangers are an American baseball franchise based in Arlington, Texas. They are members of the American League West division.
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Rangers franchise was formed in 1961 as a member of the American League. - that's it? There needs to be more explained on their history, what happened after this? Who currently owns the team, the venue they play at, etc (more on their history)
- Mickey Vernon became the first manager of the Texas Rangers, then called the Washington Senators, in 1961, serving for just over two seasons. - the part about them being called the Senators should be in the first paragraph
- Bobby Valentine has managed more games and seasons than any other coach in Rangers history. - So? What was the record?
- The only Rangers manager to make it to the playoffs in October is Johnny Oates, who won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers. --->The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs was Johnny Oates, who also won the 1996 Manager of the Year Award with the Rangers.
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired. The interim manager chosen was Eddie Yost. - how about merging these...In 1963, manager Mickey Vernon was fired and replaced by interim manager Eddie Yost.
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- One game later, Yost was replaced by Gil Hodges. - why? This leaves the reader in question.
- In 1973, manager Whitey Herzog was replaced by Del Wilber. One game later, Billy Martin took over the role of manager. - why? Who appointed him, why was he appointed, same applies to the above sentence
- After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan would not finish the season. - this just stands out because in the previous sentence you say that Martin was replaced by Stanky, so where did Ryan come from?
- Billy Hunter took over the role of manager, only to replaced in the midseason by Pat Corrales. - add a be before replaced
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In 1982, Don Zimmer's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Darrell Johnson midseason. - add as his replacement during the midseason after Darrell Johnson.
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In 1985, after years of losing seasons, Doug Rader was replaced by Bobby Valentine. Valentine was later replaced midseason by Toby Harrah. --> In 1985, after Doug Rader led the Rangers to (exact number of seasons) losing seasons, he was replaced by Bobby Valentine, who in turn was replaced by Toby Harrah during the midseason.
- Done. I still need to fill in exact number of seasons though. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In 2001, Johnny Oates's poor performance forced the Rangers to hire Jerry Narron midseason. - ++as his replacement during the midseason after Narron's name.
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The current manager of the Texas Rangers is Ron Washington, who has led the team since 2007. - ++managed not led
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The color on the fifth entry should only cover his name, not the whole row per previous passed FLCs
- Done. RyanCross @ 21:24, 27 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- See List of Philadelphia Phillies managers for an example of an FL prose.
- Footnotes need to be added to the article as seen in the above FL
- The table says that statistics are correct as of the 2007 season, yet the 2008 season just occurred, so it needs to be updated.SRX 00:54, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
- "The only Rangers manager to lead the team to the playoffs"-->The only Rangers manager to have led the team to the playoffs...
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "There have been thirteen interim managers in Rangers history." "thirteen"-->13.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "After six games, it was decided Connie Ryan"-->After six games, it was decided that Connie Ryan...
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Add a note about each year link in the "Term" column being linked that team's season—see List of Houston Astros managers.
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The placeholding 0s before the decimal points are unnecessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. RyanCross @ 22:01, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - All issues resolved. Nice work. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from NatureBoyMD
- (image caption) "Ron Washington (left),
thecurrent manager of the Rangers"
- Done. — RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Frank Lucchesi" should be linked in the prose.
- Done. — RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There are five instances of the term "the midseason." The mid season isn't a specific time in a season like the pre-season or the post-season. The only way "the midseason" might be correct is if you meant at the All-Star break (even then, you should specify at the All-Star break). Try replacing "the midseson" with just "midseason" or a specific date or just a month.
- Done. — RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
-NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- All resolved. — RyanCross (talk) 05:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:12, 18 August 2008 [2].
previous FLC (16:51, 3 August 2008)
I am re-nominating this list, because I believe that all of the issues that needed to be addressed from the last FLC have been fixed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 19:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- "...with 111 in..." - put this into context. Did they play 800 games or 111? One way or another it'll have a different impact. And most of us interested butWh non-US readers are amazed by the sheer volume of games that MLB teams get through!
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why link season on its 6th use?
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "in team history", "in team history" - team=franchise?
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more was posted by ..." - no need for "posted by".
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No need for bold in the key.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also no need for the full stops in the key.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Left align the second column of the key.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Stick with one date range format for seasons, so XXXX-XXXY or XXXX-XY.
- I don't see the second format anywhere; if you see one, could you point it out to me? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Check the image captions. Also check for en-dash there too! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Check the image captions. Also check for en-dash there too! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see the second format anywhere; if you see one, could you point it out to me? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's worth explaining the difference in role between manager and general manager. Oddly, your list is of "...Phillies managers", not general managers...
- Yes, I do think that's necessary, now that I look at it. Should I write a mini-lede explaining the role of the manager and the general manager before each table? Should I move the list to include GMs? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you just need to improve the lead to include a comprehensive discussion over the roles. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How do those additions strike you (first ¶)? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you just need to improve the lead to include a comprehensive discussion over the roles. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, I do think that's necessary, now that I look at it. Should I write a mini-lede explaining the role of the manager and the general manager before each table? Should I move the list to include GMs? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " this manager has appeared in the playoffs" - you mean the number of times he led the Phillies into the playoffs?
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why link WS in the table when it's already linked in the lead?
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And I'd link PA in the key, or beforehand if possible, rather than in the table.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "b #49" - what is the relevance of 49?
- Bowa is manager #49, but it's not really necessary. Removed. Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The external link could have a bullet point in front of it.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "...with 111 in..." - put this into context. Did they play 800 games or 111? One way or another it'll have a different impact. And most of us interested butWh non-US readers are amazed by the sheer volume of games that MLB teams get through!
- The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Shouldn't this article be just about the managers?
- Could be, I expanded this article from the base lists, which were both included when I started building it.
- "The duties of the team manager include team strategy and leadership on and off the field." I think you should erase this sentence as it needs reference and there's already a wikilink for that.
- This is copied directly from the Wikipedia article and was added in reference to an earlier FLC request. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- For most of the references, you wrote Baseball Reference instead of Baseball-Reference.com.
- Baseball Reference is the official name of the organization; therefore, they are the publisher. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- "they managed the team while still playing for it" should be "they managed the team while still being registered to play for the team".
- That doesn't make any sense to me, there's no registration about it. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- How about "they managed the team while still being signed to play for the team"? -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- How about "they managed the team while still being signed to play for the team"? -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That doesn't make any sense to me, there's no registration about it. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- "In contrast, the general manager controls player transactions, hiring and firing of the coaching staff, and negotiates with players and agents regarding contracts." There should be a reference for this.
- This is copied directly from the Wikipedia article and was added in reference to an earlier FLC request. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- "After this time, he served as a team executive until 2003, and was inducted into the Philadelphia Baseball Wall of Fame in recognition of his services." Needs reference.
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- "The manager" should be "The Phillies manager" because of a new paragraph.
- Redundant, see the close of the sentence. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- I rather have you use this reference than Baseball-Reference.com because of the conflict I had on this FLC.
- Per FA and FL guidelines and WP:N, independent sources are preferred and in fact required. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- But can you at least put on that reference since it is the "offical reference". -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I added it to General references
- Sorry for mentioning this but if you go all the way down on the reference I gave you, you'll see that the second manager (sorry, forgot his name) had a tie. You should compare the two general references because there WILL be some differences. -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No big thing. Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- I think this reference could help you with the playoff stats. -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 19:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My playoff statistics already match that page, so no updates are needed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- I think this reference could help you with the playoff stats. -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 19:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No big thing. Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- Sorry for mentioning this but if you go all the way down on the reference I gave you, you'll see that the second manager (sorry, forgot his name) had a tie. You should compare the two general references because there WILL be some differences. -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I added it to General references
- But can you at least put on that reference since it is the "offical reference". -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per FA and FL guidelines and WP:N, independent sources are preferred and in fact required. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- Bold the top 5 abbreviations on the key as it is bolded on the table.
- See previous FLC. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- "by inaugural season manager Blondie Purcell..." should be "by the second inaugural season manager Blondie Purcell..."
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- There were no general managers from 1883 to 1944?
- That's correct. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- This article should be split into List of Philadelphia Phillies managers and List of Philadelphia Phillies general managers.
- See above.
- Delete the "External Links" as it has nothing to do with the article.
- See previous FLC. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- Add the category, [[Category:Major League Baseball lists]]
- Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
- Shouldn't this article be just about the managers?
- Support -- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks. 02:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Korn awards Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Good Charlotte awards Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Natasha Bedingfield awards
previous FLC (16:55, 4 September 2008)
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 18:15, 2 August 2008 [3].
I am nominating this article because I believe it should be promoted to a featured list.—Chris! ct 00:20, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose — I'm not even sure this should be a distinct Wikipedia page. It is shown as the
{{main}}
article for Olympic Games#Olympic Games host cities, but doesn't really offer much more than the list shown there. (Strangely enough, this list doesn't even link back to Olympic Games!) The only substantive differences are an alternate formatting style, and inclusion of the dates for each Games on this list. I know my comments may seem odd here, given that I have done some work on this list in the past, but upon further reflection, it doesn't seem to me like this is truly featured content. Are we just trying to pad the FL statistics by promoting some "low-hanging fruit"? I would propose that the good work in adding some additional references here be merged back into the main article, and yes, I would then propose PROD or AFD for this list. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 00:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok, I understand what you say. But I think we should give others a chance to weigh in on this issue before closing this. If the consensus is merge, I am more than willing to withdrew this nomination.—Chris! ct 01:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, of course! My opinion weighs no more than anybody elses.
- I first saw this article over a year ago, wondered why we needed another copy of the table on the Olympic Games article, stuck it on my watchlist as a reminder to do something with it later, and forgot about it. When you started to clean it up recently, it showed up on my watchlist again, which got me thinking about what to do with it, and your FL nomination pushed the trigger for my initial response. After thinking about it a bit more in the past few hours, maybe deletion isn't the right answer. I guess the problem I have now is that it is called a list of cities, but could just as well be called a list of Games. Each table row only has a relatively small number of data items, so it is a fairly brief summary at best. But since there are only 40 cities, there is certainly room for lots more detail. Perhaps the list could be rewritten to be more "city-centric". Maybe use Wikipedia:Lists#Definition lists style so that each city could have at least a paragraph of prose text, describing things like how it was awarded the Games, bidding results (integrating content from Bids for Olympic Games and Bids for Olympic Games (ballots), lists of secondary venues attached to each main host city (e.g. for 2008: Hong Kong for equestrian events, Qingdao for sailing, and the four cities for football), etc. I guess what I'm saying is that if this is truly going to be the "main article" for the section of Olympic Games that has the summary table, then it needs to be much more than an echo of the summary table. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That sounds like a great plan to rewrite the list.—Chris! ct 05:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Delete the first sentence because of the repeating of the title.
- Couldn't you link "Olympic Games"?
- If you link most of the years to its Olympic Games, couldn't you link or unlink the rest?
- "Seven cities have hosted Olympic Games..." should be "Seven cities have hosted the Olympic Games ..."
- Why are the Olympiads the Summer Olympics and No. the Winter Olympics?
- What does No. stand for?
- Couldn't you do this, {{ref label|Note1|1|1}}, instead of this, ('''[[#St. Louis|1]]''')?
- Isn't this a list of Olympic Games?
-- K. Annoyomous24 GO LAKERS! 07:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawn, per this. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 17:06, 2 August 2008 [4].
The most recent season of Degrassi: The Next Generation. I think this is up to scratch, so here we are. Part of the Seasons of Degrassi: The Next Generation Featured topic. All comments are welcome, and I'll address any that come up. Thank you, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- "In the United States, it aired Fridays ..." - removed comma
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "In total, sixteen episodes aired in the US before they did Canada" - removed comma
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "figures for season seven were not been as high as previous" - reword (probably remove "been")
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "As the adults in the series, Stefan Brogren" - remove comma
- Done
- When you list cast or crew e.g. "as Marco Del Rossi, and" etc.- I don't think you need commas following the "and"
- Not done Serial comma in use, common in North America Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Quite right, I'm actually a little bit embarrassed I hadn't come across that before Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Balanced opinion - you mention no bad reviews in the reception section
- I have tried to find something, but haven't. It was hard enough to find the two reviews I got for this season. I think the problem was that the season as a whole wasn't worthy of being reviewed - positively or negatively! I'll keep looking though. I'm sure when it has ended broadcast in the US, there will be a review or two. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I haven't been able to find any negative reviews for the show. I really think this is because it was (according to fans) a rather lacklustre season, and so even TV reviewers couldn't be bothered with it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Are there any citations for when episode were aired out of order (as in 718 before 717 etc.)
- Each episode has the production code on the final screen of the end credits. I'll add a ref from tvguide.com for the US, and look around for Canada. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done ref added Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Up for debate, are the specials warrenting such an extensive mention here since they are not part of the season per se. Maybe a quick mention and put detail either in a section in the main Degrassi: Next Gen page or in List of episodes.
- They are already mentioned in Degrassi: The Next Generation. They could be moved to List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes I guess. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm in favour of moving to the List of the episodes. You can mention that they aired specials in the hiatus of the original run, but I wouldn't include their content here. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good work overall. However I'm tired so may miss some things, or incorrectly point out things that are fine, so I will come back and take a more rigorous look at this tomorrow. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- More
- Table headings, all are left aligned exept title, shouldn't it be consistent. It's personal preference but I'd centre them all, however I'm just after consistency.
- Not done. This is to do with the formatting of {{episode list}} (and its sub-templates), not how I rendered it on the page. Take a look at any page using this template, and you'll see they're all this way. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I originally disagreed, and tried to fix it using code in this page. It works on the article page but messes up the translusion to List of episodes, so undid my edit. While there may be some complicated way to do it, it is beyond me and I will not persue it further or object on these grounds. Sorry, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not done. This is to do with the formatting of {{episode list}} (and its sub-templates), not how I rendered it on the page. Take a look at any page using this template, and you'll see they're all this way. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The Degrassi students return after the winter break to find it has merged with nearby". I'd make "it"→"the school".
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Confidante" is feminine, I think you want the masculine "confidant"
- Done, good catch. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In Another brick in the wall - "some students are do not welcome" mistake fix with your preference of words
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In Ladies Night - "of love to Manny and give it to her with" gives
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "neighbour" → "neighbor" as using American English
- Not in Canada ;) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not sure about this as I don't watch the show. Should it be "Graduation Party" or graduation party, is it an official event name?
- I changed it to "Class of 2007 Graduation Party". I'm really not sure as it hasn't aired in the US yet, and the fansite is undergoing a refit so I can't download the ep either. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In We Built This City - "Things are going well, until her growing attraction with Damian leads to a kiss and are caught by Manny and Toby", should it be "they are" caught.
- Done - changed to ", which is..." Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ref 9 has extra [[ ]] around the date.
Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)
comment Beter utility could be gained from Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7) if the caption was to identify the characters as well as the programme Fasach Nua (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/Style_guidelines#Image, which says "The image presented in the infobox should ideally be an intertitle shot of the show (i.e. A screenshot capture of the show's title) or a promotional poster used to represent the show itself. Failing that, a DVD cover may be used." I'll identify each character if you think I have to, but I think that's a bit too much information for an infobox (there's like 20 characters there). Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Regardless of the MoS, WP:NFCC needs to be met. You are right, a cast list is probably too much for the infobox, I would like to see the image used to identify the cast memebrs. It can be referenced from a different section, or indeed the image can be moved out of the infobox Fasach Nua (talk) 09:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not done at this time. The image is a screenshot of the intertitles. The TV MOS says this is what should be used in the infobox, or a poster or DVD cover. Season 7 isn't out on DVD, and there is no poster, so the intertitles it is. When it comes out on DVD, the image will be changed I expect. What part of NFCC does the image not meet? And if it were to be moved, what image should be in the infobox? I don't see the point of having 2 fair-use images in an article when only one would suffice. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- Infobox has capitalised "Season" for no good reason. And perhaps it should reflect the title of the list. Otherwise why the difference in terminology?
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "run" in infobox doesn't need spaces between the dates and the en-dash.
- Not done This is how it is rendered by the infobox, not by how I typed the information. Also, WP:DASH says "All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either or both of the items". Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "rape, drugs, cancer, HIV, and relationships." - personal but I'd reorder to "relationships, drugs, cancer, rape and HIV" to kind of list it in order of likelihood I suppose.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " reviews for the season were of praise, rather than criticism." - reword. I'm positive not all reviews were of praise and, even then, some of the reviews offered criticism.
- Cast section is bluelink overdose. Why link singer for example?
- Done Everything but actor and character names should now be unlinked. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)
- "in association CTV." with?
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The Canadian Film or Video Production Tax Credit " - which one? What do you mean here?
- That's the name. I guess it's a tax credit thing for Canadian film or video productions.
- "to spiral down " - wee bit weasel/POV.
- Done. Changed to "to fall" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The winners will be announced on 4 August 2008." somewhat destablises the list...
- Not much though. By August 5 it will say whether they won or lost. It's one sentence that needs to be fixed, not an entire section. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "episodes 5 October – 16 November 2007" why not English like " from 5 October to 16 November 2007"?
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "and went off air 9 May, and returned" - "and went off air 9 May, before returning..." (avoiding consecutive "and"s)?
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Special episode is linked twice in two sentences, and worse, to "very special episode" - special or very special? and avoid overlink.
- Done Changed to Television special, and completely removed the sentence where it appeared the second time. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Halloween themed rap" - halloween-themed?
- Done
- " PART ONE " capped for what reason? same with TWO.
- Consistency with the other seasons. I'll change them all over the next couple of days. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Too intoxicated to realize what she is doing, Darcy allows herself to be taken into a bedroom by an unknown rapist. " - checking realize = Canadian and secondly "by an unknown rapist" reads odd - perhaps "an unknown man who rapes her"?
- Firefox spell check on Canadian says "realize", Done the second. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "tries a little matchmaking " not particularly encycopaedic.
- Done "arranges a date for him"? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Infobox has capitalised "Season" for no good reason. And perhaps it should reflect the title of the list. Otherwise why the difference in terminology?
- I haven't got through the synopses yet, so this is a start...! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Even more
- What exactly is Ref 16 Degrassi: The Next Generation 100th episode citing. I failed to see anything in that article referencing any of the sentence it follows.
- Done -- removed. I'm not sure why it was there. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have a major concern with Ref 10 - Degrassi: The Next Generation - Season 7. I expect you are using the cite video template to try and reference the end credits in all the episodes of the season, however as the DVD is not out it is not possible to WP:VERIFY.
- No, but as the credits appear on the episodes, they are self-referential, aren't they? This just provides the reader the location of where to find them. They don't have to be a physical release, otherwise all those shows without DVD or VHS releases wouldn't be able to have articles. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't find any reference for the american episodes airing out of order.
- Done - reused Ref [4], TV Guide.com. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I feel the use of general reference Ellis is questionable.
- The first instance [6] is saying which cast members return from the previous season. The general reference was published in late 2005 and if feel it is rather unlikely that the encyclopedia covers that the cast will return (in two years) for season 7.
- No, but it covers which actors play which characters. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Similarly for [9].
- The first instance [6] is saying which cast members return from the previous season. The general reference was published in late 2005 and if feel it is rather unlikely that the encyclopedia covers that the cast will return (in two years) for season 7.
- I think alot of names could be better covered by this
- I'll add that reference as well. Thank you. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That ref also mentions iTunes.ca & CTV on demand, worth a mention?
- Done thank you for finding that. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For the episode & video, I would order the names "Surname, First" for consistency.
- If I understood correctly, Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rambo's Revenge (talk) 08:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for what you've done so far. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments part deux
- Still got those PART ONE in caps...
- Done. Oops. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Boring I know, but is realize vs acclimatise pure Canadian?
- I'm not totally sure. Firefox's Canadian spell check red-lines "realise", and not "realize". It doesn't redline "acclimatise" or "acclimatize". I think Gary's Canadian, so I'll ask him to go over it for me. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "in another crushing blow" little bit extreme!
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ashley agrees but later removes his vocal track without him knowing" - lost track of which one his and him mean here.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "drug induced" - hyphen? not sure.
- Done. I think so too, according to Tony's excersises. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Marco begins to cling onto anyone" - a little too informal for me.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- " she still can't cut" - avoid contractions.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- balk vs baulk. Just checking!
- Not sure. I'll ask Gary Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "leaning on Ashley for everything" what does this really mean?
- Done changed to "relying" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- audition tape or audition DVD?
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Should Spring break be capitalised?
- According to spring break, it isn't. Also because seasons aren't capitalised, I don't think this should be either. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "her baby daughter is weighing her down" again, a little informal - can we rephrase to mean exactly what you're saying?
- Done clarified and reworded
- " but can't help feeling" contraction!
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "he medications constitute the HIV cocktail." needs rephrasing. Presumably you mean the retroviral medication mixture of drugs which constitutes treatment for HIV?
- Done I used what the show called it, but that sounds much better. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "who don't know him well, and believe there is no smoke without fire" - contraction and avoid colloquialisms - makes it difficult for non-native-English speakers.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Sean is being shipped of to Afghanistan" - off to.
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "if he can't bring himself to study" - contraction!
- Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "The Class of 2007 graduates. " is an odd way to end the episode synopsis. Expand a touch?
- Still got those PART ONE in caps...
- The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thankyou. Everything here has been done, I think. Other than the spellings, that is. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, according to Canadian English, British English is usually followed, "French-derived words that in American English end with -or and -er, such as color or center, usually retain British spellings" So I'm changing "neighbor" and "behavior" to "neighbour" and "behaviour". However, "Words such as realize and recognize are usually spelled with -ize rather than -ise." so "realize" and "acclimatize", not "realise" or "acclimatise". Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thankyou. Everything here has been done, I think. Other than the spellings, that is. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Your explanation of Canadian English is sensible, as the British originally used -ize (and it is still preferred in OED). That aside just letting you know ref 6 is broken. I couldn't fix it because I didn't know what was meant to be there. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. It was cause I was using ref name, except I capitalised the name by accident. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- A few things I picked up as I skimmed the first few bits:
- In the lead, "episodes were made available for free streaming on CTV's website,[6] and registered users of the Canadian and U.S. iTunes Stores" - you could replace the bolded "and" with a semi-colon. Personal choice, really, cause I just think two ands within the span of seven words is a bit close. Your call.
- Shouldn't mentions of Degrassi on its own (when referring to the series) be italicized?
- "The season was also nominated for a Teen Choice Award, in the "Choice TV: Comedy" category." Comma not really needed. Pandacomics (talk) 15:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by User:The Rambling Man 10:11, 2 August 2008 [5].
I have been working on this for the last few days and have re-done all of the charts and added all relevant info. The list is now as complete as possible. All information such as sales, certifications and chart positions are very well sourced. Deserves to be a featured list. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 15:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 09:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Too much discussion on G-Unit. "The group's members all grew up in the same neighbourhood, they rapped and sold drugs together." This is not neccessary. Keep it to the discography.
- Music video directors needs reliable sources.
- There are a number of redundant? "Released:" on this article.
- The "Thisis50.com" table has a redundant row.
Look's good though. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 16:59, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments. I have worked on the thinsg that you have pointed out. In the Intro I have removed the line that you have quoted but have kept most of it per other featured discographies such as the ones talked about above. Also, MVD Base has been used as a reference for Music Video Directors in other Featured Lists such as 50 Cent discography. Also, I have added references using youtube videos uploaded by the official Universal Music Group channel. The directors specified in the video summary match the ones provided by MVD. The extra row has been removed. However the "Released" are still there because it is virtually impossible to find exact release dates for all of those mixtapes. I'm not sure if the "Released" field should be removed or kept incase dates are found. What do you think?
- Remove the release field. You need to add all directors in for music videos. MVDbase is not WP:RS, and it shouldn't be in the 50 Cent discography. Is "Over 41" precise enough? Also, the infobox order of release types should be the same as that of the titles in this article. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have removed the released field & re-ordered the infobox but the fields seem to be staying in the same order. MVDBase is actually correct in all of its listings. All of the directors that it lists are the same as the directors named on Universal Music Group's official video channel. I know the director of "My Buddy" but cant find the link - ill keep looking. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 11:36, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments
- No bold links in the lead please.
- Caption is a fragment so no full stop/period.
- Start the lead with something other than "This is a comprehensive..." yuck. Say something more imaginative like "The discography of G-Unit, a ...., consists of...."
- Soundtrack doesn't need to be capitalised in the lead.
- " Music videos and collaborations are also included. However, solo works from the groups' members, Lloyd Banks, 50 Cent, Tony Yayo and formerly Young Buck are not." - merge those "..are also included, but solo works...."
- "same neighbourhood" which one? And should that really be "neighborhood" since this is in US-English?
- "worked hard on mixtapes" - "worked hard" sounds a little POV and "mixtape" could do with a link in my opinion.
- "50 Cent was later dropped from his label after being shot nine times in front of his grandmother's house" really, dropped for being shot or dropped for not being able to record or perform?
- "Due to the success of his debut album, Get Rich or Die Tryin', he was granted his own record label." reads odd. Maybe, "Following the success of his..., he was given his own... by Interscope.."?
- "The group continued to work hard... " by now I've lost track of who "The group" is, so reinforce G-Unit, and avoid "work hard" again - POV.
- "earned them a lot of attention in the rap industry.[4] The most prominent of these being 50 Cent Is the Future, God's Plan, No Mercy, No Fear and Automatic Gunfire." - "a lot of " sounds poor. The second sentence is a run-on from the first so a full stop/period isn't appropriate.
- "They released their commercial debut, Beg For Mercy in 2003, which sold 377,000 copies in it's first week of release" - Again, reinforce "G-Unit released..." and "it's" should be "its" or "their" depending on how you feel about discretionary plurals.
- " It has now sold.." - As of July 2008, it has sold...
- U.S. vs UK, why not just US?
- " in July of this year. " - context. so, July 2008.
- "No.4" - number four or #4.
- Link Billboard.
- "The United World Chart counts sales data from Japan, United Kingdom, Germany and France.[11]" fascinating but probably a footnote rather than a sentence in the lead.
- Mixtapes = 41+ in the infobox - what does the + mean (to non-expert readers)?
- Shouldn't you be bolding the titles as well as italicising them?
- See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Musicians/Article_guidelines#Discography_section
- Done --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 10:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "DJ Drama [34]" remove the space in front of the cite.
- "Reviews: All Music" no in-line links please.
- What do you mean by this? --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 10:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Peak chart positions[28][14]" order numerically unless you have a good reason not to.
- What's a Featured single? And why no references?
- Done Changed header & added refs for all features singles. --¤ The-G-Unit-฿oss ¤ 10:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My Buddy music video has no director.
- Avoid small text.
- The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments II
- Who says "the most prominent of these being 50 Cent Is the Future, God's Plan, No Mercy, No Fear and Automatic Gunfire." is true? And if so, why is Automatic Gunfire without an article?
- "...n the United States[11] and, as of July 25, 2008, 194,000 copies worldwide." - is worldwide excluding United States? Not clear.
- I had this info in before and you told me to have it as a footnote - see footnote & above.
- " 2× platinum" in lead, "2× Platinum" in the table. Choose one.
- Shouldn't soundtrack "Get Rich or Die Tryin'" be in italics? And as I said before other discogs are bolding all of the titles. And what formats was the soundtrack released in?
- "Reviews: All Music" - this has an in-line link which is to be avoided in featured material.
- Still too much small text - there's absolutely no need to use smaller text, it just makes it more difficult for people to read.
- Most other discogs us US and not U.S.
- What is the title of the second col in the mixtapes section supposed to represent?
- "Label: G-Unit/Shadyville" is repeated on every single mixtape in the first table - not really necessary, is it? Say it once and say it applies throughout.
- "Other notable mixtapes" - who says they're notable? Three of them don't even have refs.
- Bad Guys stuff is completely unreferenced as well. In fact, 90% of the mixtapes are unreferenced.
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