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Welcome!

Hello, Orlady, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! —Wrathchild ^(talk) 03:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan College

Hi Orlady, do you have any interest in keeping an eye on the Bryan College page? I noticed that you're involved in pages in Tennessee, Chattanooga, and Dayton. I'm a student at Bryan and I'm trying to make the page for my school more accurate and up to date, but I want to be careful to maintain neutrality. I'm new to wikipedia and would love some help from someone who seems to be not only an old pro, but someone who is interested in the surrounding area. Any comments on neutrality issues or general content would be greatly appreciated! David Beisner (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Source for copyright info on 3 images

The dates were taken from the thumbnails shown in the New Yankee Stadium article, posted by Stadium08 (not me). Most likely the camera's internal clock was improperly set; groundwork of the stadium had only begun in August 2006, so the January 2006 date couldn't possibly be right. Just64helpin (talk) 03:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LOTM reminder

Your vote would be welcome at User:TonyTheTiger/List of the Day/voting/200807. Voting runs through June 20.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:20, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blountville, TN

I have edited these pages for 2 years now. My info is accurate and I don't need references from some local newspaper to put it on here. No one has ever had a problem with it before, so don't start one now. Blountville is the county seat the mayor's office is on Main St. the goverment for the county is also considered for the town too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Setnick (talk • contribs) 04:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK i'm sorry for this mess, im just getting alittle agrivated that your coming in and removing stuff that i put of along time ago. So i'd like if we could work together and stop fighting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Setnick (talk • contribs) 17:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flagging Michael Shernoff for further review

Hello, Orlady … I recently encountered the article about Michael Shernoff and in my opinion, it either lacks sufficient Attribution that it satisfies the Notability criteria for Biographies, or it may violate the Conflict of interest guideline, or perhaps it violates a copyright.

I have created this initial entry on your Talk page because you are either the original author of the article, or else a recent contributor to it; I will leave more detailed information regarding my specific concerns about the article on its Discussion page … please respond either there or on this Talk page, instead of on my Talk page, in order to avoid fragmenting the conversation.

Be sure to read Ownership of articles, and remember that Some Other Editors (including at least one administrator) may not share your opinion about the notability of the article's subject.

I do not mean to imply that your contribution is unappreciated … perhaps you should read Your first article … and remember, there was a time when I knew less about how Wikipedia works than you know right now, and I am always available to help you become a more proactive contributor.

Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) _{19:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)}[reply]

Appalachian Mountains

Ironically, "The Appalachians is..." would be the normal way of saying it in those parts. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 18:59, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What parts would those be? --Orlady (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Them there parts of the Appalachians where them folks ain't too eddycated. :) I lived in that area for awhile, so I say that with affection. :) Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:05, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I am not from Appalachia originally and I was pretty highly educated before moving to the region, but I live here now. It is my perception that uneducated people in this region understand subject-verb agreement and use it in their speech, notwithstanding dialect words and speech patterns (such as "you-all" and "you-uns") that aren't part of received standard English. --Orlady (talk) 19:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm being silly, of course. And words like the noun form y'all and the possessive y'all's came into my speech during that time. I also learned that it's pronounced app-a-LATCH-a. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 19:31, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Kathryn Faughey

Thank you for all you've done trying to enhance the article, I really feel it shouldn't be deleted and hers is a very note-worthy story. --IdLoveOne (talk) 03:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help. I suggest that you add your comments to the AfD. --Orlady (talk) 03:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

CE

Hi, I've approached Malachirality for a copy edit. He'll get back to me soon. (SUDUSER)₈₅ 15:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:LOTM

Do you want to help me choose 30 or 40 new nominees for the month? I am traveling and short on time.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:39, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"McVegas", TN

Hey, so I noticed you like to edit some of my work; mostly the McMinnville Opera House. I know that you're a Tennesseean yourself, and so I respect you. Ha ha, but there are somethings on there that you have added, and it's stuff I didn't even know, and I want to thank you for your hard work and/or research. I do wish, sometimes, that you didn't take off somethings of mine, but I guess as an editor, that's kind of your job/hobby.

But anyways, I just want to thank you for all your hard work and/or research, and I hope that you don't completely, in my way of thinking, "ruining" my pages. Ha ha. Thanks for editing on the following pages: Warren County, TN, McMinnville Opera House, and McMinnville, TN.

Thanks! - McVegas Guy —Preceding unsigned comment added by McVegas Guy (talk • contribs) 05:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Twin Peaks episodes

Hai Orlady, hope you're well. Can you let me know if you're happy with the above FLC now (I saw you'd made an edit or two)? It now has a couple of supports and your comments are now preventing me promoting it. I'd appreciate it if you could either fix or identify the specifics and then, if sorted, support or oppose. Thanks for your time and effort. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated Orlady. I'll hold off and unless I see some considerable work in improving the prose etc in the next couple of days I'll have to axe the nom. Thanks again. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bother you once again but it appears that your comments have been resolved. Could you pop over there and have a quick look? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again Orlady, your expedient commenting is brilliant. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Knock knock... your final comment seems to have been resolved! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Happened in the middle of the night here! Anyway, I'm awake now, and I commented. --Orlady (talk) 12:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just a suggestion but, would you consider capping your comments, I'm just saying 'cause otherwise the page looks a little messy, that's all. Once again, I'm just saying :-) (SUDUSER)₈₅ 15:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your thorough review Orlady. Suduser85, don't worry, the list has been promoted and the FLC will be archived. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Significant information

I provided the necessary sources for the information on Echo Bay included in the New Rochelle article which is an important phase in the citys redevelopment and significant information to include in the section.--75.125.163.139 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thank you for your participation in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Twin Peaks episodes. The article was promoted to a featured list. Since you helped out with the copyediting, this is for you Orlady:

This user helped promote List of Twin Peaks episodes to featured list status.

Cheers! (SUDUSER)₈₅ 04:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks from me too. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wallis

I'm easy to please here - show me a single source of non-trivial coverage of the subject in a reliable secondary publication and I'll undelete right away. Otherwise, there was no assertion of notability in that article, and I stand by my deletion. Phil Sandifer (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a mention by the state of Oregon is really a substantial mention. I mean, I sympathize - I hate degree mills, and would love to see them out of business. But Wikipedia isn't for advocacy, and unless this scam has attracted some attention, the mere fact that there's a scam isn't notable. What makes this degree mill notable? Not every degree mill is. Most, in fact, probably aren't. Phil Sandifer (talk) 01:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your revert

Hi Orlady, please see the discussion here [1] about one of your reverts. If possible, please comment to clarify. Thanks! Totallyconfused (talk) 01:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, you reverted one of my edits without discussion on the talk page here [2]. If you have time, please comment. (By the way, the article is improving, good work). Totallyconfused (talk) 20:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jvolkblum

I'm looking into your post on Commons, see my question there there and have asked Lar to look into the matter as he is checkuser both here and on Commons. By the way, I wanted to renew the offer I made back in March - I still think you'd make a very good administrator on this project and would nominate you should you have changed your mind about standing. WjBscribe 16:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coeducational boarding schools

You wrote: "I see that you have created Category:Co-educational Boarding schools. The name is not compliant with WP style ("boarding" should not start with an upper-case letter), but more significantly I wonder about the purpose of this category (and whether there is a useful purpose to this category). Was this based on a discussion somewhere? 20:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry not to have been compliant. The new category may help to provide a basis for an article on early co-educational boarding schools and another on the history of changed attitudes to them. If you wish to change the title of this category, please can we preserve the hyphen in "Co-educational", please? Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 20:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You replied:::Although I commented on the need for an administrator to be involved, the change in case for the first letter of the word should qualify to be a speedy renaming. --Orlady (talk) 23:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I responded:Perhaps it should be Category:Early co-educational boarding schools and cut off at 1900. I think that many UK boarding schools in the UK have introduced a second gender since 1980, or gone bust. Do you think an admin would be available to delete my ill-thought out category, or can I do it myself, one-by one. The category Category:Co-educational boarding schools (Correct capitalisation) could then be used for sub-categories as you suggest. However, we already have the article Mixed-sex education, which is a bit of a mess.Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 23:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply on my Talk page I wish I had thought this through or consulted before I rushed ahead with this one. Thanks for your advice. Vernon White ^{. . . Talk} 15:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the siren song of the St Christopher Iba Mar Diop College of Medicine

is calling out to you, milady. Please put it back on your watchlist (and see my comments on its talk page). -- Hoary (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

California Southern Law School and California Southern University

Thanks for drawing my attention to the distinction. I have made a mistake here. I was treating them as the same school. California Southern Law School is an unaccredited school in Riverside with classes in a physical space (I believe). California Southern University School of Law is a distance learning degree program. Both are registered with the California bar, which is where I was sourcing my information from http://www.calbar.ca.gov/state/calbar/calbar_generic.jsp?cid=10115&id=5128 . I really don't know more than this about either institution. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful and thanks for catching my mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitamarine (talk • contribs) 17:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid double directs

What is a double direct, and why should I avoid it? [3] Yours most fervently, GeorgeLouis (talk) 02:39, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sheldrake Lake

If Sheldrake Lake is deleted, could you please create a new article to replace the old one, using whatever reliable information on the lake you can find? Please add {{gnis|965021}} and http://www.sheldrakecenter.org/ as references to the new article if you create one. -- Eastmain (talk) 05:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please consider taking the article to AfD. There have been a lot of edits to the article, so G5 may not apply (and there is currently no speedy tag on the article). --Eastmain (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blountville Middle

just to let you know, i mantain this page alot and everything on this page is notable. Go to the schools website and look. I worked and went to this school for 3 years and still keep close contact. So even though you removed the teachers, it is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Setnick (talk • contribs) 06:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOTM

I think I am going to suspend the LOTM until further notice due to declining interest. Thanks for your participation.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My reasoning is merely a lack of interest in voting for the experiment that is not actually going to the main page. WP:LOTM is quite varied. I am sure the overall WP:LOTD variation and quality is as high as WP:TFA was four or five years ago when it first started.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet thanks

Hi Orlady, just wanted to pass you quick and quiet thanks for you recent contributions at WP:FLC. All help there is very much appreciated by, at the very least, me and the nominators of the lists. I look forward to more of your generous and useful additions to the process. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blountville Middle Deletion

I dont understand why this is up for deletion. I havent been given "ample opportunity to fix the problem. I'm sorry but this is the stupidest thing I've heard. I dont know what you want out of this article. This is no famous place that has tons of articles on it. So I dont really have any references. If you dont like it, then fix it, not delete it. Because I dont know how to fix it to your so called "Standards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Setnick (talk • contribs) 02:42, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just making a quick note. Usually, primary and middle schools are not considered notable enough by themselves to have an article. They need to have some notabiblity apart from the fact of existing. Universities and universities schols are considered notable enough by default, barring expcepcional circumstances. I am not sure about high schools, but I think that they are also considered notable enough on its own to have its own article.

As Orlady says, it's nothing personal. --Enric Naval (talk) 03:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey local government

Thanks for the caution; however, I don't think that it will be a problem, because New Jersey already has high-quality articles on each type and form of government. What I'm asking for is a summary of the articles that already exist. Nyttend (talk) 04:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Blountville - Deery Inn

Orlady:

The Tennessee Historical Commission marker at the Deery Inn says it was built by William Deery "just after 1785." The Tennessee Encyclopedia of History and Culture article on Sullivan County says the inn served travelers between 1785 and the 1930s. Carolyn Sakowski in East Tennessee Backroads gives the date as "around 1785" (p. 80). Upon further investigation, it appears all of these sources were looking at Goodspeed's History of Sullivan County, which says Deery purchased the lot in 1785 and seems to imply that he moved right away. The Old Deery Inn's entry at nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com lists 1794 as a significant year.

Sakowski mentions something I didn't notice when I was there. She says, "the building actually has three sections: a two-story hewn-log house, a two-story frame store building, and a three-story stone house." So, it's possible that the "hewn-log house"— which is much more indicative of an Appalachian frontier structure— was built by someone other than Deery around 1785, and used as a residence or tavern, and the framed part was built by Deery in 1800 or so. I could find no record of this, however, so I just changed the caption to read "circa 1785-1801." Bms4880 (talk) 17:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your comment

Please point out the specific passage where you see an attack. Bill 12:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

From your response, and since you were unable to point to anything specific, perhaps more caution is warranted before reaching a conclusion and posting that conclusion publically. If you need to correspond on this further, please do so off line. Bill 14:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Willis (talk • contribs)

You made an accusation which you could not substantiate. If you wish to discuss it further, discuss it off line, or do not respond. Bill 02:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bill Willis (talk • contribs)

checking on one user

Please see User:EXP11-09. His second edit was creating this sandbox with a list of stuff, which I think that is all stuff related to New Rochelle like the history of New Rochelle Rowing Club.

Could this user be Jvolkblum? --Enric Naval (talk) 20:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming proposals

Thanks for participating in the NRHP renaming proposal discussion. As you know, I thus far only requested renaming of the one category about which everyone seems to agree. For the others, I still have a real problem with any proposal that adds "entries", "listings", or "properties" immediately after the word "Places". I think they sound terribly awkward, and I'm hoping that someone will come up with an alternative. But I don't see any reason to delay the bridges and tunnels proposal while we debate the others.

Since Canada has a comparable list (Canadian Register of Historic Places), following WP guidelines to avoid a U.S-centric POV, I think adding the United States makes sense.--Appraiser (talk) 17:23, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Category:Unaccredited institutions of higher learning in California

Thanks for the heads-up. In some cases I've left institutions in both the California and global categories. If Wikipedia can live with the ambiguity inherent in "People from X" then I suspect it can live with the ambiguity of where a distance learning outfit is located. If not, then I'm sure someone will CfD it. Stepheng3 (talk) 02:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mission Mountain School

After months of work user Wildrock aka the manager is about the vandalising the article again Covergaard (talk) 05:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WWASP

About removal of the statement of unsourced website: Look at their video. What is the first it starts with? Covergaard (talk) 20:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!!!

Thanks so much for the barnstar! What a nice surprise, particularly since I am trying my best to cut back a bit on my WP time... I am trying to build up the article Women's colleges in the United States and Barber-Scotia College became part of the collection. It has been interesting to learn its important and prestigious history. I'm glad that the WP could contribute to it. I have appreciated your feedback and am always open to suggestions and advice. Thanks again, -Classicfilms (talk) 00:24, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the tweak - a good point I didn't catch. Any other suggestions you might have to improve the article would be appreciated. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New York Yankees seasons FLC

Thanks for the review! I responded back at the FLC, after making the first change you suggested. I'm a little unsure about the others and left comments to that effect. One would go against similar featured lists, and the other has me confused because I've received contrasting recommendations from other reviewers. Giants2008 (17-14) 18:01, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All right, I took the hint and farmed the all-time franchise records to a new table. Hopefully, you will approve of it, but keep in mind that I'm no expert at table creation. I think it looks good, but please check it and let me know what you think. Giants2008 (17-14) 23:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the reference to the note. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! :-) Giants2008 (17-14) 14:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

TN 1st congressional district

Could you please take a look at Tennessee's 1st congressional district and Talk:Tennessee's 1st congressional district? I feel out of my league in political topics and am not sure how to proceed -- Foetusized (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

James Kirk Diploma Mills

Hi Orlady. Thanks for the comments regarding my edits of this article. One of the difficulties associated with this topic is that most proof sources are not existant, posted as personal opinions or blogs, or possibly less "academic" than you or I would like. One brick court (http://www.onebrickcourt.com/about.asp) is certainly as reputable and respected as an information sources as is Diplomas.com. I was hoping to include the court reference as it helps to substantiate 3 important points that may bring fair balance to this article.

(1) Legality: LaSalle was legally registered as a 501(c) not-for-profit corporation licensed through the State of Louisiana under the title "World Christian Church". (John Bear also alludes to this in his summary)

(2) Quality of coursework: According to the central findings of the court case (and the reason damages were granted to the plaintiff), LaSalle did not grant degrees for a cash payment (the truest definition of a "diploma mill") and although LaSalle apparently granted credits for "life-learning", the institution required students to purchase textbooks and submit essays for grading. According to the findings of the court, LaSalle's "Masters" and "Doctorate" programs required the writing of a Thesis or Dissertation (although it is arguable how "good" many of these were). Also according to the findings of the court, many of the students at LaSalle University were required (or chose to use) local Adjunct Faculty (Ph.D.'s from accredited institutions) to serve as their professor for coursework as well as advisor for Dissertations, Doctoral Projects or Thesis.

(3) LaSalle University decided to create the "Council on Postsecondary Christian Education," (COPCE) to illegally serve as its own accreditation body. LaSalle deceived students as well as employers (who required proof of accreditation as a prerequisite to subsidizing education of employees). It was this fact that brought the institution down and resulted in the prosecution of Kirk, not because he was running a "diploma mill". This is also substantiated by the court case. LaSalle certainly was not accredited, but as Judge Eady noted in his legal findings "it was not a prerequisite for granting degrees in the US that a university should be accredited". (http://www.onebrickcourt.com/cases_files/68EWHC1996.pdf)

The way the article reads presently, it paints the students with the same broad brush that paints Kirk. I believe that the Paul McKenna case must be included to show that the students of LaSalle were largely victims of this deception, not participants in it. Presenting 2 negative findings and ignoring one positive finding certainly is not fair balance. I encourage you to let some of these edits stand. Apparent Logic (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your recent revert, Orlady. I was beginning to feel uncomfortable that maybe Apparent Logic might start feeling that it was just me that had a problem with his edit attempts. Thanks, TallMagic (talk) 18:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

NCPAC

Just noticed our NCPAC article; it's much better than mine of course, so would you care to merge in your content anytime soon? Yellow Rain (talk) 02:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WWASPS spam

I wonder if there is another way to identify the WWASPS institutions without resorting to the SPAM? clearly people like Mpoult are eager to place the el links everywhere throughout wikipedia, so it suggests that it might be serving as actual advertising for these places. I'll think about it for a bit, and try and suggest some alternatives.--Vannin (talk) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

murals

I am basing my information on the terminology used by multiple sources when describing works of this nature and from this period. I cant say that my interpretation of the term mural is necessarily 'correct'. I just based it on the terms common application and usage. I dont quite understand the in-depth analysis? but to each their own i suppose--Geezalou (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 I wonder if there is another way to identify the WWASPS institutions without resorting to the SPAM?  clearly people like Mpoult are eager to place the el links everywhere throughout wikipedia, so it suggests that it might be serving as actual advertising for these places.  I'll think about it for a bit, and try and suggest some alternatives.--[[User:Vannin|Vannin]] ([[User talk:Vannin|talk]]) 22:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
+== murals ==
+I am basing my information on the terminology used by multiple sources when describing works of this nature and from this period. I cant say that my interpretation of the term mural is necessarily 'correct'. I just based it on the terms common application and usage. I dont quite understand the in-depth analysis? but to each their own i suppose--[[User:Geezalou|Geezalou]] ([[User talk:Geezalou|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2008 (UTC)