Talk:Adelaide

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Picture request of Adelaide's night skyline??

It would be good if someone could add a pic/paranormic photo of Adelaide's night skyline from the Adelaide Hills. RaptorRobot 10:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

There are already enough photos in the article, including this night skyline.--cj | talk 19:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Cyberjunkie, no there nots. Of at least we need an update because the city skyline in changing with thos new buildings being built.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.160.133.39 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 9 April 2007 (ACST.

Yes, the night skyline photo I referred to two months ago has now been removed because of an inappropriate license. As for a new photo of the skyline, you're welcome to go take one and upload it. --cj | talk 06:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Could some one possibly find out the Degrees, Minutes and Seconds for Adelaide and fix them as most other Major Australian cities are in DMS???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.158.45.83 (talk) 08:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

Click on the link and scroll down to the table to find the coordinates translated into several formats and coordinate systems. --Scott Davis ^Talk 10:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

State Flag

Does anyone have a better image of the state flag?

The current one, particularly the piping shriker image, looks positively amatuerish, and the colors look wrong too.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fashion cadaver (talk • contribs) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Southern Ocean?

The second sentence in this article starts like this: "It is a coastal city beside the Southern Ocean,"... I changed this in ..."beside the Indian Ocean"... A few hours later I was reverted with the comment that Australians still perceive it as the Southern Ocean. That doesn't seem to be very NPOV to me.

I do not doubt that Australians perceive it as such (I have travelled extensively in Australia), but when you click through to Southern Ocean the article states that this ocean ends at 60° S. Adelaide does not lie between the South Pole and 60° S.

I believe my change was correct, but the article should also state that many Australians do not agree with the fact that Adelaide sits beside the Indian Ocean. WHB 11:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

It's actually more than just a cultural perception. Cartographically, the expanse of water from Australia's southern bounds is still annotated as the Southern Ocean. Indeed, in at least Western Australia and Tasmania (I am unable to confirm for South Australia as yet), this sea area is officially gazetted as the Southern Ocean.--cj | talk 14:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. Shouldn't the article then explain that from the Australian viewpoint Adelaide does border the Southern Ocean, but for (most of) the rest of the world it borders the Indian Ocean? WHB 19:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually it's on Gulf St. Vincent. But that's beside te point. As far as I know, the Southern Ocean is a somewhat arbitrary concept - Some say it exists, others prefer to say South Atlantic, South Pacific and Indian oceans. It's particularly ambiguous in Adelaide's case, as the city is about equidistant from the undisputied Indian and Pacific oceans. I favour using the "Southern Ocean."--Yeti Hunter 23:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Adelaidians (?) and Australians, perhaps unfortunately due to the common usage on Australian maps, no more "get to decide" the name of the oceans of the world than do the people of, say, Chile, who refuse to use "Pacific" and have their own name for it on all their maps. The group that does is the IHO (see the WP Southern Ocean article for references....the Adelaide article should not be cluttered with IHO references, I should think!) .

For good or bad (bad if you're a fan of Australian maps and terminology), they have decided that Australia is a continent sitting in the Indian Ocean, with the Pacific along its eastern side. They publish this with carefully delineated borders for these water bodies (see that mentioned in the WP Great Australian Bight article. So, certainly not for Australian use, but for a worldwide English enclopedia, its "Indian Ocean", not "Southern Ocean." The IHO very clearly ruled (after a vote of member nations) that the "Southern Ocean" stops at 60 degrees south, and north of that its the Indian Ocean. Not debatable, unless you want to try to overturn the worldwide and WP-wide acceptance of the IHO as the authority on these matters. Water bodies that Australia does not share with other nations are a different matter, of course. This is how world geographers (and the IHO) avoid having several names for various sides of various oceans. Having done the South Coast Track in Tasmania and looking southwest off the cliffs (an amazing place; huge old growth trees, remote beaches) and saying something to a local about the big Indian Ocean waves and getting an incredulous stare, I know this doesn't make sense locally.....But it's an international encyclopedia.DLinth 18:35, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately the IHO did not clearly rule. The vote was split 50/50. Half voted for 60 degrees and the other half voted for various parts of the Australian coast. Because of this the boundary has never been officially adopted, so technically, according to the IHO the ocean does not exist at all. IHO member countries are in effect permitted to define their own boundaries for the Southern Ocean meaning there are many "offical" boundaries with 60°S, 40°S, 35°S and no such ocean existing at all being the most common. For example Oceanographers world wide consider the Subtropical Front (where cold antarctic water meets warm subtropical water and thus the most logical boundary) the boundary of the Southern Ocean and this is 40°S. Australia recognises it as bordering our coastline (and bordering the Indian Ocean at Cape Leeuwin), using the Oceanographers definition it does (with the Great Australian Bight wedged between the coast and the ocean). There can be only one of two positions for "an international encyclopaedia", either what Australia considers the boundary to be or no such thing as the Southern Ocean. As WP already acknowledges it's existence we must use Australia as the boundary perhaps qualifying it with mention that most countries define their own boundary. Wayne 06:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Not true. Half voted for 60 degrees, and most of the rest voted for limits very close to that....only a couple (not 14) voted for it to come to the Australian Coast. "IHO member nations are permitted to define their own boundaries" is fiction. Your 40 degree S sentence is also fiction....read the Southern Ocean WP article or other sources....it's the convergence zone at 60, not 40, that most oceanographers and hydrologists use. No, most countries do NOT define the names of oceans next to them; those that try like Chile get no international or WP acceptance at all.

Times Atlas (UK, #1 world atlas), CIA World Fact Book, US Board on Geographic Names, etc., etc., and nearly all non-Australian atlases and maps strictly show the Southern Ocean as below 60 degrees lat. All sources go on and on about it being defined as an ocean due to its hydro characteristics....a cold, polar current circling Antarctica. So 35 degrees south is particularly far "off the charts" in the world's view....that's the same lat. as the Mediterranean! (for a "polar" ocean!??) Seems like all around WP, most atlases, most world maps, the IHO is being given the first and last word on this.DLinth 19:49, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture of city skyline

this article on Adelaide is incomplete without a picture of adelaide's city skyline. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.188.216 (talk) 05:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

could someone please incorporate a photo of the city skyline in this article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.209.130 (talk • contribs) 04:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC).

If you attain and upload a freely licensed image, we'd be happy to include it.--cj | talk 01:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Here's an old one [1] Foraminifera 11:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone on wikipedia is anti-Adelaide removing all good pictures of the city.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.219.63 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 23 June 2007 (ACST).

What a nonsense suggestion. Nobody has been removing pictures. Please assume good faith.--cj | talk 06:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

I added a photo of the city skyline. I took the photo my self. --Jamiec1962 19:44, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

I Wasn't sure were to place the photo so i just added it to the bottom of the page.--Jamiec1962 19:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Citations

I've added citations for the Formula 1 moving to Melbourne, and the State Bank collapse. The F1 citation could be better, and the other could possibly be merged with the one from the Economics section. Better than none though. Kevin 01:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Good work :)--cj | talk 02:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Population

It is not possible that the city of Adelaide, Postcode 5000, has a population of 1.1 million. Even 3,000 would be pushing it. I think it should be mentioned that the 1.1. million encompasses 'X' square kilometers/miles of suburbia as it is otherwise misleading. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.122.240.225 (talk • contribs).

I've added metropolitan area, the same as Sydney and Melbourne. Kevin 08:26, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

There was never any suggestion that the population was for the city-centre – it's patently clear this article covers the metropolitan area. And, by the way, the city-centre's population is much more than 3,000; it's currently estimated at around 17,000. --cj | talk 09:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

"good article" ??

How can this article be a "good article" without a picture of the city? Other users on here have also mentioned it but no one seems to care. Can someone please upload a photo of the city?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.219.63 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 23 June 2007 (ACST).

Done.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jamiec1962 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 23 June 2007 (ACST).

There are several pictures of the city in the article, so your point is moot. If you are unhappy with what's there, fix it yourself.--cj | talk 06:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Linear city

I removed the claim, "It is roughly a linear city" because Adelaide does not sound anything like that described in the article. It would be better to simply show the shape of the city with a good map delineating its boundaries, rather than trying to describe it in words. -- Beland 18:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Santos

Are Santos still based in Adelaide now that the tallest building itself, regardless of the residence, has been rebadged from Santos to Westpac? Timeshift 20:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. They moved to the new Flinders Link building on Flinders St along with IAG.--cj | talk 01:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

GA delisted

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. Unfortunately, as of September 16, 2007, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R.

• Every statement that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs an inline citation.

Regards, Epbr123 16:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Map

Done one Image:Streetmap of Adelaide and North Adelaide.svg - any thoughts on whether this is usefull for the article and what changes are needed ? - Peripitus (Talk) 10:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Good map — for the article on the CBD. A metropolitan map would be much more useful here. Michael ^talk 11:13, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Can do - may take a while as I'm still getting the hang of Illustrator - 11:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Maps so far have been very good, so thanks for putting in the time. I don't think we've got any other SA'n mappers out there. Michael ^talk 11:30, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Finished. Needs some more work and I can't work out where in the article it'd go. Thoughts on issues with the map or it's use in the article anyone ? - Peripitus (Talk) 21:37, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Phone Numbers

It has been told that Adelaide has run out of 8000 numbers and are now using 7000 numbers (e.g. 7000 0001) From now on, if you apply for a new number, you'll get a 7000 one like mine. The 7000 number is now used in Queensland AND Adelaide. Tom140996 (talk) 22:05, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

WP Aus B-class assessment

B class, needs to improve citations, image usage and layout. I also removed an image as its a fair use without rationale IMHO it'd be difficult to justify a FU image of a News report in a city article. Gnangarra 11:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Adelaidean

Both Melbourne and Sydney mention the term for their residents in the first paragraph. The word Adelaidean is buried in demographics and yet is not immediately obvious. If indeed this is the correct term, then it should be in the introductory paragraph. --CloudSurfer (talk) 11:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Climate averages table is very inaccurate

The monthly average data is inaccurate and should be removed until such a time as it is replaced.

58.105.58.21 (talk) 22:47, 5 October 2008 (UTC) Dan M

Coordinates

Please note that the coordinates in this article need fixing as: 35 degrees south

There does not to mind appear to be anything wrong with the co-ordinates. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 20:53, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Agree with Mattinbgn; the coordinates mark a point on the east side of Vic Sq near the Catholic cathedral. 35 degrees south runs south of Centenial Park Cemetary, Windy Point and the Belair Triangle. (i.e. About 10km south of the centre of the city.) Pdfpdf (talk) 08:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

IPA

I want to know how "Adelaide" pronounces in IPA. A transliteration problem about the name occurs on our language of Wikipedia. --Octra Bond (talk) 04:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not very good with IPA so there's a decent chance I'm wrong -- I'm working off of Wikipedia:IPA for English -- but I'd say it's ædəleɪd. — maestrosync ^talk — 04:37, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds about right to me. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 04:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be more like ædleɪd? ("ad-laid" - only non Adelaideans call it "ad-el-ade"). Pdfpdf (talk) 04:49, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's a schwa, not a full-on 'e'. I'm pretty sure most people, including Adelaideans, pronounce it with three syllables. — maestrosync ^talk — 04:52, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Why are you "pretty sure"?

The song goes:

wear the pride of south oz traaay li-a

wear the migh tee Ad-laide Crows

(Though I do concede that people from Ad-laide do tend to call themselves A-de-lay-de-ans.)

Yes, most people NOT from SA pronounce it A-del-aide, A-de-laide, Ad-e-laide Ad-el-aide, even Ad-del-laide. But not most of the locals.

(Maybe they teach you to ennunciate clearly at your school? Certainly my daughters pronounce it with 3 syllables, but I don't think you would classify them with "most Adelaideans".)

[Similarly, other locals call places Mel-bn (not Mel-bourne) and Syn-ney (not Syd-ney). I've even heard foreigners pronounce it Syd-en-ney, though I can't imagine why.]

I'll look around and see if I can find something more objective. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:22, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Definitely "a-de-laide" (or maybe "ad-e-laide"), three syllables. In my experience the "ad-laide" pronunciation is only used in verse where it must be two syllables, a la The Pride of South Australia. Not sure where to find a cite for this, though. --Yeti Hunter (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm. First a "sounds about right", then a "pretty sure", and now a "Definitely". I think it might be time for me to "cut my losses"! And I agree - I'm "Not sure where to find a cite for this". But never-the-less, I'll continue to look around for a bit longer. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 22:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all above comments --Octra Bond (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Main picture

The main picture is very hard to see. Before I signed up there was a better picture with the convention centre in it. What happened to that? I am new here, sorry.