Talk:Iván Castro

Notability?

This Guy is a NOBODY. Thanks for going to war, But come on this aint your MYSPACE!!! 24.5.151.206 (talk) 19:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC) Does he really deserve an article? I salute him for doing his duty and keeping us safe, but does Wikipedia need an article on every soldier who was wounded in battle? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.70.174.200 (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I also agree. This is barely relevant for an article so what is it doing on the fron page. tonyf12 ( talk) 17:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Txmy (talk) 12:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

In my personal opinion, there is a different from "every soldier who was wounded in battle" and a still active blind Special Forces soldier. Good article, by the way. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 13:24, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Txmy. The article contains a long section of how he runs Marathon and attended a meeting for blind militaries.

Castro then focused on the Marine Corps Marathon which he ran on October 29, 2007 exhausting two running companions before latching onto a third, to finish in 4 hours, 14 minutes.[5] During the marathon he was accompanied by running partner Lynn Salgado who held on to the same shoelace as Castro and by Amy Moyes who spread her arms protectively to shield him from other runners

This cannot be of public interest. Apparently the man is given a massive backup to continue his activities - his wife has for instance abandoned her job to help him. It is good that the US army is supporting disabled veterans, but we cannot repeat this minutiae. The article needs a severe trimming. Sponsianus (talk) 13:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

1. Only blind oficier in the Specail Forces.

2. One out of three oficers in the whole United States Army.

3. Has been been featured in numerous newspaper articles.

Notable enoough. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

If he's notable enough to be mentioned on the Main Page, then he needs an article. Also, I would move up the number of active duty blind officers - so we don't give the impression that he's the only one. We should also mention as early as possible whether he goes out on missions or stays back giving advice or something. --Uncle Ed (talk) 14:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

• Furthermore, the article is not only about Castro the soldier, it is also about Castro the athlete whose acts have been featured and noted in the public media. This is a biography and the information posted provides reliable verifiable sources as required by Wikipedia policy. Wikipedia is "not" about what we like or "do not" like, but about verifiable facts. If not then we should start removing the irrevelant movies or roles plated mentioned from every single biography of every actor and actress. Tony the Marine (talk) 14:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Quick response! I have not objected to the existence of Ivan Castro's article per se. I have not removed any of his military credentials, or the fact that he works for the improvement and integration of disabled soldiers. I have however objected to extremely trivial details about his running and other exercise activities. These have certainly not been noted because Castro (who is fourty years old) is a top athlete but because he is doing PR work for the US army, especially its disabled soldiers.

Castro's upcoming schedule - unless he is going to meet the president or something like that - is not relevant for a global encyclopaedia. Such info belongs on a homepage - which could well be linked to last on the page.

I will revert once more; I do not accept that you erase my efforts once more unless you give reasons for why the following details are relevant:

• What is important about the names of 5 Marathon races in which he contributed, purely as exercise?
• What is important about the names of the persons who guarded him on these races?
• What is important about how Castro was lead by a shoelace?
• What is important about the colour of said shoelace?
• What is important about the exact length of these races, and Castro's exact times (including seconds), when he was obviously participated out of competition?
• What is important about the slight mishap when Castro fell into a wall? How important should people be for us to record every time they stumble?
• What is important about Castro and his wife bearing identical t-shirts with a logo?
• What is important about his spin cycling? This is standard exercise even for blind people?
• What is important about listing every single activity at the Blinded Veterans Association's 62nd National conference? The organisation itself has a short article about 10 lines here on Wikipedia?
• That Castro is interested in participating in a Triathlon?

Surely you realise that this is not of sufficient public interest? Sponsianus (talk) 15:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

I think being the only blind person to serve as an officer in the US special forces is sufficient notability on its own. Both in terms of achievements of disabled persons, and as a matter of military history. If we decide that there is enough notability for an article, then it is not unreasonable to put things like his family history (even thought it is not related to his notability) or his running (which is probably not related, but not sure - may be connected to his awareness raising - charitable running is often used for that). But if there is a real feeling that it is not notable, why not list it as an AfD (be bold and all that), and let the Wikipedia community express its views. --Legis (talk - contribs) 19:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)