User talk:WesleyDodds

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....You're to shy....

Is it something I should be ashamed of? But, Jesus, can that song bring me back. I feel like it's 1984 every single time I listen to it—and I wasn't even alive then. Go figure. NSR77 ^T 03:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The sky was all purple, there were people runnin everywhere. NSR77 ^T 04:10, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Meh. I was never a big Zeppelin fan, nor was I ever a big Pink Floyd fan or Beatles fan. They're all really really amazing and I respect each one for the incalculable contributions they made to modern music, but I simply don't enjoy it that much (there are exceptions of course—A Saucerful of Secrets, Led Zeppelin III, Abbey Road). I far prefer more obscure acts (at least at that time) like Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart, Jefferson Airplane, David Bowie, T.Rex and what not. I know you like the Beatles but to me they're really quite passe. I mean, I know of people who flaunt their love of the Beatles but meanwhile listen to Coldplay and whatnot. Bleh. NSR77 ^T 04:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That's why it's but once in a blue moon that I listen to anything released past 1996. Just today I was listening to The End and I was flat out floored, despite having listened to that record many many times before. I was sitting there in awe and wondering how it was possible for such incredible sounds to have been made. Music from that era had such inexplicable beauty; it was so innovative and will unfortunately never be replicated. NSR77 ^T 05:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to get to it—I've been sick this past week with something or other, unfortunately. If not then it still deserves the star. NSR77 ^T 23:15, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I went to the doctor (and I never go to doctors), spend $30 on his fucking bill for him to tell me that I have nothing treatable and just need to go out and get some over-the-counter meds. Let me tell you he did not walk out of that room alive. NSR77 ^T 23:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Guess what the newest WP:ALM Featured Article is? NSR77 ^T 20:36, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I see you're rallying the troops for some really dissonant work. NSR77 ^T 21:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

What sorta' projects 'ya got 'goin on these days? NSR77 ^T 23:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know much about Urge Overkill. I didn't know you liked them. NSR77 ^T 22:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Classic. NSR77 ^T 03:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

WikiThanks

WesleyDodds thank you for taking the time to comment on WT:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. I am glad you see how important this guideline will be, since it will determine the inclusion or exclusion of television character and television episodes. Have a great weekend. Ikip (talk) 15:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, another editor said your response was "conflicting", you may want to clarify your response. Ikip (talk) 15:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

indie vs. alt will resume shortly but until then,

So the Led Zep genre tab is being defended as always to reflect some mythical "consensus" that has Zep III as a hard rock/heavy metal album. Ahhh, fuck it man.

And I need you to do this for me: nominate Loveless for Valentine's Day TFA. PLease. 'cause if you don't, I'm gonna do it anyway and bad blood will ensue (not joking).

And who the fuck are James?? (the Blur of the 80's?). indopug (talk) 16:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't give up maaaan, I haven't. I wonder if those people who are so fixated with genre field have ever actually edited an article body and added well-written, reliably-sourced content. Probably not. And what is the deal with their "Zep IV is not "rock", unless everything on Wikipedia is "rock""? indopug (talk) 14:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Alright. Work's a bitch, but you learn to get by. And I've recently discovered the awesome altruistic joys of the mindless article cleanup about stuff you don't even care that much about. Btw, I'm about to nominate a Stone Roses article up for COTW; what do you prefer to work on, the band or the album? indopug (talk) 06:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I read on JD554's page that you're not into Bowie and the Velvets; I mean, dude. Maybe this'll change your mind. indopug (talk) 06:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the best Pop song, backing the best opening scene ever. indopug (talk) 07:20, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I've see you're disappointed about "Viva La Vida"; on a related note, I remember that there was a talk-page discussion regarding Coldplay genres. I wanted to suggest bland rock or wannabe-Radiohead rock or wholesome-family-entertainment rock, but apparently they aren't real genres. Phooey.

While we're on the subject of "bland", this is the exact opposite... indopug (talk) 16:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Where to begin?

Ooh, quite a varied and eclectic lot: I'm partial to the blues as a whole, but in particular John Lee Hooker, BB King, Muddy Waters and most of the original electric bluesmen. I also quite like very early rock 'n' roll, Elvis's Sun recordings are outstanding, Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochrane, Jerry Lee Lewis et al (although I can't stand the wishy-washy stuff we Brits made). Then there's Motown/Atlantic/Stax-Volt/Northern soul. Then the proto-punks: Velvet Undergound/Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Patti Smith etc. And just lately I've begun listening to Johnny Cash; At Folsom Prison is an extraordinary album, but I think At San Quentin just pips it for me. I also like some of early 20th century classical stuff by Aaron Copland, Vaughan Williams, Holst etc. I'm sure there must be loads I've missed. And you? --JD554 (talk) 09:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

As far as the blues goes you should check out Albert Collins Albert King - he primarily recorded during the 60s/70s and it's easy to see how he influenced (and was in turn influenced by) bands like Led Zep. He would make a good bridge to the earlier electric guitar blues greats like BB King. --JD554 (talk) 10:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Oops, wrong Albert, although Collins isn't bad either. --JD554 (talk) 11:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it's something that comes with age. I only started to appreciate the blues from my mid-30s onwards. A bit like olives really :-) --JD554 (talk) 11:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

This is a real shame. --JD554 (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hopefully it will be soon, I've put a {{db-move}} on Lux Interior. You lost me with the Bowie/Elton John reference I'm afraid. --JD554 (talk) 09:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course! --JD554 (talk) 09:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm stunned that no-one has taken Pet Sounds beyond B-class or Horses beyond C. --JD554 (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

It must be an age thing. I guess the silver-haired surfers I keep reading about haven't found Wikipedia yet. --JD554 (talk) 10:21, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the In Utero FAC: dashes are one of the "Allowable changes" in quotations per MOS:QUOTE. --JD554 (talk) 11:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm cracking up, I could've sworn I saw something about dashes. --JD554 (talk) 11:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Careful, you're beginning to sound like a further eduction teacher. Got any elbow patches? --JD554 (talk) 12:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Can't get YouTube, is that this lot? If so, not too bad. I suppose it was only a matter of time before a post-punk revival band sounded like The Fall - track 2 anyway, track 3 sounds like Green Day (that's not a compliment). --JD554 (talk) 09:16, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll check that out tonight and let you know. --JD554 (talk) 09:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

It's like they can't make their minds up what the song should sound like ... it has too many different sounds/textures. --JD554 (talk) 09:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I randomly found this, I'd completely forgotten I had their LP The Bushes Scream. What do you think of the song "The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes"? The early 80s were great. --JD554 (talk) 09:47, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I bought it the other day. I've not read it yet, but one thing I've noticed is that there's not date for each of the interviews, so it's difficult to tell if they're old or new. --JD554 (talk) 12:14, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Could be. Bizarrely he finishes with an interview with himself. I'm particularly looking forward to the Anthony H Wilson, Bill Drummond, Andy Gill, John Peel and Steven Morris interviews. --JD554 (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

! Nah, it's got to be "Kings of the Wild Frontier". --JD554 (talk) 12:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, tricky one. There really is only a couple of proper love songs that they've done well - McCulloch's problem is that he tends to descend to crooning too much. "Killing Moon" is obviously the best, but maybe the only other one that's any good is "Nothing Lasts Forever". --JD554 (talk) 11:03, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Why does Morrissey keep getting good reviews for releasing the same song time after time? --JD554 (talk) 09:48, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The shirt? It's wrong on so many levels. --JD554 (talk) 09:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

*ahem* Those where 'crisps' I'll have you know my good man. --JD554 (talk) 10:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

You'd hardly guess by your editing times ;-) --JD554 (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Nice one, well done!--JD554 (talk) 20:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've added the fact the 1980 reissue got to #1 on the UK Indie Chart, but that's all there is. The album doesn't appear to have charted anywhere else. --JD554 (talk) 09:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem, but it'll be Monday before I get my print sources back. --JD554 (talk) 07:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, can't say I've noticed, I'll give it a listen tonight. Any particular R.E.M. era in mind? --JD554 (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure I'll give it a go. --JD554 (talk) 08:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I've not seen it yet. I try to keep an open mind and make my own conclusions, but it's very difficult to from the descriptions I've seen. But I know for sure there is one aspect of it I won't like ... the song. --JD554 (talk) 09:51, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Spider-Man

Hello. :) Since you have been involved in editing the article Spider-Man, I wanted to let you know that we have nominated the article for "Good Article" status. You can view the review page, and if there is anything you can do to make the article better, please do so. :) There are a number of concerns to be addressed and some work to be done, so pitch in if you are able, make any suggestions that you think might be helpful, or at least just be there for moral support. :) BOZ (talk) 00:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Coldplay

Am I the biggest wannabe ever for totally falling in love with Coldplay since Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I think what I find most appealing is their harmonies...i like music that makes me feeling like I'm wandering through a dream. I was actually surprised they didn't get Record or Album of the Year, but I guess it would be overkill to win 4 major categories. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:02, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Hehe. I love how wikipedia can give you instant history. Releasing an album with no title is an interesting career move. I like it when people think outside the box. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I need more money so I can buy more music history. ^_^ Do you do any songwriting/instrumental play? I enjoy writing poetry and I play flute/piccolo, though I prefer how I sound on piccolo. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Will Do. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Doctor Manhattan

Why didn't you like my edit? [1] TunaSushi (talk) 16:53, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Soundclips

I've been meaning to add soundclips to the Suede and Stone Roses articles (3–4 for each). I can get to it over the weekend; suggestions? indopug (talk) 14:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

So, why do you hate Rolling Stone? And is PublicImageLtd any good? indopug (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I get NME at my library, and its "BEST NEW BAND SINCE OASIS!!!" everyday. I find it really hard to keep up with all the MySpace groups. So I guess Q/Mojo//Spin are the best of the lot?

And unrelated: but why do we have separate articles for Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker? indopug (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

You'd think an obscure article like Modern Life Is Rubbish would be safe from weird edit-wars. By the way, I think the Coldplay article is horribly skewed in favour of the group. No mention of their overwhelming blandness (which is also widely discussed by professional critics), but there's a very detailed study of the various charitable stuff they've done. indopug (talk) 16:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Trivial Edits

I'm sorry if I was rude but I'd still honestly appreciate if you would tell me why you deleted the comment about Neil Young being transfixed by Kurts howl at the end of 'where did you sleep last night'. Please say why.ThanksSayerslle (talk) 00:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC) o.k. All I say finally to that is that kurt cobain kind of quoted neil young in his suicide note so that singled out neil young for me, made HIS response to the unplugged performance more resonant than just anybodysSayerslle (talk) 02:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

In Utero

Hi there, I would just like to congratulate you on a job well done on In Utero, it's an essential Nirvana record and one of my all-time faves, an the article itself looks splendid, hey maybe you guys should work on Nevermind next huh? Anyways just wanted to drop by and say hello. Cheers! (SUDUSER)₈₅ 14:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Reliability?

Hey Wesley, how's it going? Listen, I have a question, is contactmusic.com a reliable source? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 16:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

BLPs

I'd like more input on Talk:Chris_Brown_(entertainer)#Suggesting_immediate_removal_of_arrest_from_the_article_for_BLP_concerns, Talk:Rihanna#Presumption_in_favor_of_privacy, and Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#conerns_over_recent_domestic_violence_reports_between__Chris_Brown_and_Rihanna if you are interested. Thankyou. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

General assistance

If you ever have trouble looking up info for an album or single I can always try looking up something with my schools database. If you ever need anything drop me a note. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:23, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

"Band members" sections

A user at the Pearl Jam article is demanding that a "Band members" section be added, such as the one that can be found at the Nirvana (band) article here. Is this necessary? I remember that this same section was removed previously when the article was being worked on for featured-status on the grounds that it was redundant since the same information can be found in the infobox and the article. I would just like to get a definitive answer since I'm tired of edit warring with this user. Thanks.-5- (talk) 06:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I have a feeling that explanation won't work with this user, however. I have notified the user to state his/her case at the article's talk page for the inclusion of this section.-5- (talk) 06:55, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

re. Unknown Pleasures

Any reason you're not revamping the article in mainspace? --Michig (talk) 10:25, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think I've added all I can to the article from the sources I have to hand. I may well be doing more JD-related editing over the next week, so if you have any other articles being worked on in userspace, let me know.--Michig (talk) 10:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have a real go at the Stone Roses article when the bio arrives - hopefully by Wednesday. It will probably be limited to tidying and referencing for this week - I'll need to have a read of the book before doing anything more major. It would be nice to get the article into a decent state by the time the 20th anniversary edition of the album comes out. --Michig (talk) 12:31, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I've got the bio. but haven't had time to do much yet (the book having neither a contents section nor an index doesn't help), though shockingly, the band's biggest influence in the early days appears to have been Welsh sub-U2 rockers The Alarm.--Michig (talk) 07:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Film chat

I reckon Star Trek, Transformers and G.I. Joe are the films I'm most interested for this summer. A new Kirk, Spock and McCoy was something Empire magazine spotlighted in the second issue I ever bought, and I love how all the ships, the bridge, the uniforms are nowhere near as drab or dreary as they became in the late 1990s. Nice to see adventure, humour and sex appeal back in the franchise. I'm amazed how much the actors look like the character; Pine looks like Kirk but not Shatner, I know that sounds odd but it's true. I was all for rebooting the franchise, but it looks we're getting a sequel and prequel into this one film so I'm even more excited!

Now obviously the two Hasbro movies, one property I love dearly and one I'm very unfamilar with, so I'm excited about revisiting one and exploring another. I mean more Megatron and Starscream, Soundwave, the Fallen, Devastator and Jetfire, awesome! Jetfire sounds like an extremely interesting character, I hope he gets a moving scene like Optimus' narrations or scenes highlighting Sam's love for Bumblebee in the first film. I'm excited to hear what Steve Jablonsky has for the Decepticons, because they have more screentime and therefore require more varied themes. G.I. Joe sounds interesting, I like the costumes, they look like futuristic military armour yeah, but everybody's complaining about them being all-black? Weren't fans like this ten years ago with X-Men? To kinda quote Magneto, they'll never learn! Story wise, I understand it's much more faithful than that Skip Woods script from 2007 where there was an Action Man but no Destro or Cobra Commander.

I'm really rooting for McG to make a great Terminator, after all the abuse he got from fans for just directing a couple of spoofs. I mean no one picks on Snyder making Watchmen just based on 300; one very complex and the other very simple. I look forward to Wolverine but I wonder if they've waited too late to start the spin-off series. And then there's Up, which won't be released in the UK until October, but I'm visiting America in July so I might see it then. Alientraveller (talk) 12:07, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

They tried to combine the coolness of both Cobra's hood and helmet, but it will take some getting used to. Now you had to get me started on toys; my must-haves are the new Enterprise, the new Starscream mold (look at all that articulation; he can meditate!) and Devastator. I hope to pick up Ratchet and Ironhide because I missed them last time, Jetfire, Megatron and Soundwave depend on reviews of the toys, I might get the Pit from G.I. Joe, Terminator toys look awful. Alientraveller (talk) 14:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and if you want Quaid's action figure, you have to buy the Pit play set because it's an exclusive to that. That's what emerged from Toy Fair last night. Alientraveller (talk) 12:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Gothic music

Hi. Thanks for weighing in on this long-term edit war. Would you consider opening a discussion section on the redirect's talk page to explain your position, even if it's just to basically replicate what you wrote at the project? It would be a good way (imho) to model proper consensus process on Wikipedia, since the problem with both these editors (both of whom are now currently blocked) is that they're not following that procedure. Neither of them is discussing their changes. As I mentioned, my real hope is that a couple of editors will join in there, since at that point I no longer have two contributors edit warring, but one (whichever that may be) completely ignoring consensus and resisting input from other editors. The end result for the article may be the same, but the handling of the combatants becomes very different. :) In any event, I'd be grateful, if its convenient for you. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Life

yeh its k lol.

I start uni next week so I'm trying to cut down on the procrastination beforehand. I like to think I'm planning ahead and doing something useful (without actually doing any study, or anything that useful). Still using WP as a reference but not really getting the time/enthusiasm to write lots these days.

You? Giggy (talk) 03:11, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

If you want some thankless work you can try keeping an eye on 4chan. I pop in to take a look occasionally... at least once a week (I just wish I could say "only on Caturday" right now). Nice to see you're still fighting the good fight. Giggy (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Bride of Frankenstein FAC

Would you mind swinging back through the FAC and stating whether you support the promotion or not, and if not, what issues you would like to see addressed? The FAC is kind of at a standstill. Thanks. Otto4711 (talk) 01:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music

We're discussing your guideline proposal again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 07:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:That discussion, and my talk page. Thanks for your offer to help. Truth be told, I tend to avoid genre edits but I'd like to read the essay when it's available. I will read the current version via the link provided by The Bookkeeper. — John Cardinal (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

In Utero FAC

I know it's been a little over a week since the FAC was closed, but I see that the article was promoted. Congratulations on that! Hopefully within the next couple of years Nevermind will be ready for FAC. Keep up the good work.--Almax999 02:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey Jude - Promotional Film

Hi, I would be grateful if you would not just make arbitrary decisions to undo a piece of sourced material with a subjective statement that it is "trivial". I disagree and was under the impression that we are creating an encyclopaedia that is sourced correctly and is accurate and above all interesting. I say all of the above with respect, but it is intensely annoying when someone just promptly deletes a piece of fact. It can be argued therefore that Frosts comment of the "greatest tea-room band" etc is also trivial. Maybe, but of historical interest surely? Crowley666 (talk) 02:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Hate to pester...

...but would you mind having another look at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Alexander Cameron Rutherford? I've adopted most of your recommendations, and in the half dozen or so cases in which I haven't, I've provided some explanation. Whether you agree with me or not, I'd welcome your response. Cheers, Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Smashing Pumpkins Demos

We appear to have a disagreement about the inclusion of Smashing Pumpkins demos on their discography page. Is there a policy or guideline somewhere that says that demos should not be mentioned? Currently there are several featured discographies (Neutral Milk Hotel discography, Slipknot discography, etc.) with demos on them. Whether or not demos need their own articles is certainly up for debate - I would contend that they do not, unless specifically notable - but shouldn't we at least mention their existence? hbent (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the vast majority of demos don't meet WP:NALBUMS, but that refers to articles about demos and not to mentions of them on discography pages. We list several things on the SP discog page that probably won't ever merit articles, like "No Toys for O.J." and "ONXRT-Live From the Archives Volume 3" - should those be deleted too? I consider a limited distribution demo tape from a major band to be as significant as a limited distribution radio station compilation. I want to reiterate my earlier point that there are FA discographies with demos on them, which would seem to indicate that demos are considered noteworthy enough to mention. hbent (talk) 00:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Small Suggestion

Hey Weseley, I have noticed this several times, and keep meaning to comment . . . Several of your edit and discussion comments are along the lines of "This is already there, but thanks" or "This was discussed and decided against, but thanks." I can understand thanking somebody who complimented you or helped you directly or added something that you really like (ala "I had been trying to find good wording for that, myself. Thanks") However, and this might be just me, when you are essentially telling somebody "Thanks, but no thanks" it comes across as a little dismissive and, worse, as if you own the article. After all, they did not do anything specifically for you, so are you thanking them on behalf of wikipedia?

If you want to soften a revert or encourage somebody when you are undoing what they wrote, I'd like to suggest that, rather than thanking them, you just compliment or bolster them directly; eg: "That's a good point, but it is mentioned above" or "That's a valid point, but consensus was against it. Check out the Discussion." To be honest, I don't think bolstering is even necessary; just explain why you are reverting (which, I notice, you still do not do when reverting the recurring anonymous journal additions [2]  :-P~ You could at least say "See the discussion page" ;-) ) --Bertrc (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)