Talk:2012

2012 in other calendars

2012 in the "Arvisura" (legend collection of the sumeer-scytha-hungarian ancient chronicles, "Arvisura" is cca "Truthful Speech") is 6053. "medvetoros év" ("year of bear's thorax"). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.21.20.30 (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Spotlight on the UK

Many of the 'Year Pages' on Wikipedia have an introduction, describing the main events, and also stating whether it is a common year and the day of the week the year begins. Therefore, please do NOT delete the factual information regarding the United Kingdom. Also, terms such as HRH and Her Majesty have been used in accordance with British Tradition with refering to the Monarch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrvyvrmnt6789 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Eastern Orthodox Easter Date

I can't seem to figure out how to edit the page. Eastern Orthodox Christians use the Julian rather than the Gregorian calendar to calculate the date of Easter (Pascha) and it differs in 2012, being on April 15 rather than April 12. The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest of all Christian churches and so this date should be added if we are also to include the date of the Western Easter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilion301 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

7 reasons the world will end in 2012

7 reasons the world will end in 2012, basically what they have is seven proven facts that the world might end in 2012, should these facts be noted in the article? Androo123 (talk) 19:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard to tell in this medium whether you're being serious, or sarcastic. Either way, the answer would be no. --cjllw ʘ TALK 05:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Net neutrality (talk • contribs) 19:46, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I would say no, the website is a forum/blog, and does not cite sources and is not reliable. Besides, be might already have some of the information here and in seperate articles (eg. metaphysical predictions), but other than that it does not deserve any more than a brief mention. This is a significant claim, which means we will need a significant and reliable source other than this one for something like this. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

If you search at amazon.com for books about 2012, you will find A LOT of books predicting an apocalypse in 2012, and VERY FEW of them are mentioned in the "metaphysical predictions" section. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2012 --Zanthius (talk) 17:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

LOL. This page about "7 reasons the world will end" is awesome... but not encyclopedic at all, with no reference and making obviously unrelated claims (the world will end in a human-created black hole or because of a super-volcano?) By the way, the LHC won't create a black hole : it is weaker than the cosmic radiations hitting our planet every single day. Thanks anyway for the good laught.Kromsson (talk) 18:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Not that I don't believe you, but it says that it might be a possibility in the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Micro_black_holes --Zanthius (talk) 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, intersting discussion... But still, the first experiments will begin sooner than 2012, so there is no link to the other doomsday prediction. (and I let you know about this, my country will be at the frontline in case of human-created black hole.) Kromsson (talk) 23:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Of course the Large Hadron Collider isn't what is going to cause the apocalypse. Computers connected on the Internet like neurons in a brain. The awakening of the global brain, that is what the new world of the Maya calendar is all about. --Zanthius (talk) 00:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, not all scientists are so sure that are black holes from LHC so harmless: http://www.scientificblogging.com/big_science_gambles/interview_professor_otto_rossler_takes_on_the_lhc --Popski (talk) 19:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

bewerken

Why do all the section edit links say "bewerken" instead of "edit"? — DeFender1031 08:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Please check your language preferences.... Could be a subtle vandal at the system level, but I don't think so. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The end of the internet

http://www.infowars.com/?p=2640 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.182.132.199 (talk) 00:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Reliable? I think not. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:00, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

1 2 3, maybe? The first states confirmation. 69.182.132.199 (talk) 06:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Alex Jones? Looks like a conspiracy theory to me. We don't want one of these on the article. Isn't there anything slightly more reliable? Cosmic Latte (talk) 06:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/No-The-Internet-Doesnt-End-In-2012-95227 69.182.132.199 (talk) 11:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to be a super genius in order to understand that huge companies wants to make more money, and that they can gain more money in a controlled internet where their websites are cooperating to get all the visitors while shutting out the rest.

Not that I believe that stupidity and egoism will be victorious in 2012. I think there are stronger forces generating enlightenment.--Zanthius (talk) 02:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

I found a website you might want to take a look at on this subject. http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.87.230 (talk) 13:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

End of Internet in 2012? That...is...absolutely...NONSENSE! So are those darn sayings about the end of Earth! Neither Internet's end nor Earth's end will happen!Don-Don (talk) 00:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Anybody who can't see that our global society is within a macroshift now, is a complete idiot. Take a look at the emerging technologies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_emerging_technologies , or this page about accelerating change: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_change --62.63.34.231 (talk) 11:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Restored Mesoamerican LC calendar text

I restored the original text at the December 21 entry here (description of correlation of this date to the Mesoam/Maya Long Count calendar), which had recently been much abbreviated. Given the ever-increasing tide of apocalyptic, New Age and pop-culture mythology and flim-flammery building up around this correlation, I think it's relevant and useful to describe as precisely as possible the actual—as opposed to the invented—significance of the date in the Long Count calendar system. The LC is after all the ultimate inspiration for all of this breathless, popular yet misguided speculation. Also, since it relies upon a particular correlation (out of many that have been proffered in the past), we need to specify what that correlation is. Likewise, the particular Western calendar system being used needs to be noted, since you get quite a different outcome if the correlation is based on, say, the Julian calendar. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Patrik Geryl Suggestion

I suggest adding a note to this text:

# Patrik Geryl predicts a pole reversal. This has happened many times in the past. Geryl is predicting that the North Pole and South Pole will reverse and cause the Earth to start rotating in the opposite direction. He does not explain from where the required energy will come. The Earth functions as a gigantic gyroscope. The energy required to rotate the poles would be immense.[14]

There is no scientific indication that physical rotation of Earth would be affected by a pole reversal. The earth would continue to rotate in the same direction, and would only "appear" to rotate in the opposite direction relative to the compass. The sun would still rise in the direction you are accustomed to, but we might start calling that direction "West" instead of "East". (or more likely just adjust our compasses) Gwiffon (talk) 19:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Solar Max

In 2012 is a solar maximum or solar max. During solar max sunspots appear. sunspotsare associated with solar flares and coronal mass ejection. which can disrupt radio communications, cause blackout or even worst, can lead to the demise of the ozone layer or even death from raditaion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.127.43.33 (talk • contribs) 00:42, August 26, 2008

Misspellings

Under Metaphysical predictions, "Several author have published" --Bhaelochon (talk) 14:38, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Now fixed, thanks.--cjllw ʘ TALK 14:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The World Won't End in 2012

I found a great source of claims that deny the end of the world, transformation in 2012: Explained - Why It Shouldn't Be Feared, but since this is a blog, it isn't a great encyclopedic source. Similar to the page "7 reasons why the world will have to end in 2012" or whatever it was called. The only thing we would have to worry about in this blog's and my opinion would be a possible pole reversal. CMac11814 (talk) 19:24, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Somehow it says "NOT FOUND" —Preceding unsigned comment added by CMac11814 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Charles Manson Scheduled for Parole hearing in 2012

Charles Manson Denied Parole 11 Times

Tuesday May 29, 2007

For the 11th time since 1978 when he first became eligible, cult leader Charles Manson was denied parole by the California Board of Paroles. The board voted to deny Manson parole for five more years, making the convicted killer next eligible for release in 2012. Manson, now 72 years old, did not bother to attend the parole hearing. He has said in the past that he considers himself a "prisoner of the political system" who will never be released.

"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," said Patrick Sequeira, Los Angeles County deputy district attorney. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."

Manson was originally given the death sentence, which was changed in 1977 to life in prison with the possibility of parole, after a 1972 ruling by the California Supreme Court that found the state's death penalty unconstitutional.

Manson was convicted for the August 1969 Tate-LaBianca murders in the Los Angeles area. Although Manson himself did not take part in the murders, he ordered his followers to carry them out to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song "Helter Skelter."

Manson was also convicted of the murder of musician Gary Hinman and former stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea at the Spahn movie ranch in Chatsworth, where the Manson Family lived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohare4271 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Spelling Error

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2012 is claimed by some with New age beliefs to be a great year of spiritual transformation (or alternatively an apocalypse). There is disagreement among believers as to whether 2012 will see an end of civilization, or humanity will be elevated to a higher level.

[changed 'diagreement' to 'disagreement'] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dredgman (talk • contribs) 15:14, September 17, 2008

Done. Thanks. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Track 9 "2012" at the Enigma Album from Ill Nino

shouldn't this be added ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.4.217.14 (talk) 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

April 1st 2012

The page list that on "April 1 - The United States Census of 1940 data is released to the public." Am I incorrect in thinking we already have this information? It seems to be listed Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Census,_1940

Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder (talk • contribs) 22:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Whether it's notable enough for this article is another question (my feeling is "yes", but others seem to differ), but everything in this article should be listed in another article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I have no problems with it being listed here, but what exactly is being released that day? The link I posted above seems to be the information to be released. Hasn't this already happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psycospyder (talk • contribs) 01:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of that problem. The raw data from the census is released at that time. I have no idea if it's machine-readable, but the data from later censuses probably would be. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:07, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

New 2012 Movie

{{editsemiprotected}} New Film Seeking Closure is about 2012 and can be found on Imdb

movies website

(Beerguts (talk) 02:42, 8 December 2008 (UTC))

Once it's notable enough to have an article, feel free to re-submit. Skier Dude (talk) 07:56, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Religious Holidays - Hindu dates

30th Feb 2012 - Maha Shivaratri 15th March 2012 - Holi 6th May 2012 - Buddha Jayanti 9th Aug 2012 - Krishna Janmashtami 19th Sept 2012 - Ganesh Chathuri 5th Oct 2012 - Navratri (starts) 16th Oct 2012 - Navaratri (ends) 28th Oct - Diwali —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki-singularity (talk • contribs) 19:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Also please note that dates for Winter and Summer solstice are not the same in the Southern Hemisphere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.102.239.195 (talk) 00:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

London Olympics

isn't the 2012 olympics in london on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcradick0 (talk • contribs) 11 December 2008

Indeed, and you will find it noted under "July" when it is scheduled to commence. --cjllw ʘ TALK 02:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

come on people!

Why dont they just say every posible,horible,unimaginable,hideous thing that could ever happen happens in 2012 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.124.3 (talk) 19:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

The metaphysical speculations section is actually fairly low on actual content. Given that 12/21/12 is the end of a baktun, let's then add some explanation about why this has become a significant reference in our culture. Who is making predictions? Who are the players? Let's add encyclopedic information to it. Can we find an expert or someone willing to research the topic? Antireconciler (talk) 19:38, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong place for this however. IF there isn't a suitable article, it may be possible to create one. dougweller (talk) 19:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Agree with Doug, a detailed examination of 2012 millenarianism would be off-topic for this article on the year itself. Same goes for articles like Maya calendar. However, having a separate article on it may not be a bad idea, if only to have somewhere to funnel the speculative edits and discussions that will surely increase as we draw closer to the date. To the best of my knowledge we have no dedicated article ATM.

Perhaps someone like Hoopes (talk · contribs) could be prevailed upon to set the ball rolling; he's a KU anthropologist/archaeologist prof who's one of the few academics to have written on the phenomenon, and as a sometime contributor here he may be able to help out. Quite likely he's busy on other projects, tho. Might drop him a line and see if he's interested. As it happens, have just been listening to an interview with him at gnosticmedia podcast, recorded last month on the very topic of 2012 speculations. From that I gather he traces a lot of the popular interest in the 2012 end date back to Michael Coe's 1966 edition of The Maya, which seems to have been the source used by the first speculative writers for an apocalyptic or millenarian association with the Maya calendar.

Problem is, while there are any number of trade paperbacks written on various speculations, few published materials or criticisms come from established academic sources, ie publs. that we might consider as WP:RS. But there might be enough now out there that could be used to base an article on. I understand Anthony Aveni has a book coming out on 2012 soon, for eg. Otherwise, we'd have to track down papers that go into some of the background to the development of the 2012 movement, by folks who are not themselves part-n-parcel of the popular writing movement. --cjllw ʘ TALK 04:38, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

FYI: there is also Galactic Alignment, which should probably be merged into any new page that is created on the topic. --mikeu ^talk 17:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Probably not. Problem with merging a new "12/21/2012 mythology" article with Galactic Alignment is that the G-A is (or at least is supposed to be) an inevitable actual galactic astronomical and astrophysical phenomenon, and that its article (at least as of this writing) is devoid of any absurd pseudo-scientific speculation about the solar system or earth-moon system pulling itself apart or whatever as a result of interference with hypothetical intergalactic tidal forces or something. I also have serious doubts about a galactic event which takes tens of thousands of years to cycle through can be measured and defined as to where the "bulls eye" is, so precisely as to be defined as falling on a specific date and time, especially considering that today is tomorrow (or perhaps yesterday) on the other side of the date line - similar to the idea of when exactly did Y2k arrive. Now - I could see a decent independent article arising concerning the whole mythology of 12/21/2012, with good sourcing. The G-A article could perhaps safely mention or refer to that general date mythology, but it should not become permanently attached and contaminated with it. There should be no significant editing required, once "the date" comes and goes, with no measurable effects beyond perhaps a few news reports of crowds of folks on mountain tops being not rescued by UFOs or Jesus. Of course, if the galaxy does implode, or Jesus comes back, then it is probably all moot, more or less. Anyway a short "Speculation About..." section within the G-A article might make sense, again with suitable reliable sourcing (eg: perhaps History Channel summaries, mostly to assert that the speculation exists, notwithstanding the controversial and mythological status), but such speculation should not become the overriding tone, either at G-A or here. The reader could always click over to the hypothetical main article for 12/21 mythology if desired. --T-dot ( ^Talk/contribs ) 17:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's think this idiot who predicted it was a totally desperate. The Mayans didn't die out they left. Mayans left because they built their homes near the ocean and a drought hit. They had no fresh water source. Some priests even told people the religion was bogus. So hearing this people began to leave so they could get water and also avoid that stupid religion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.4.103 (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

music

metal band jakota rose have a song called twenty12

with lyrics "ill see you all in 2012, come one come all this world will fall" and "so grab your mates and hold them tight there will be fire in the sky tonight" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gapwing (talk • contribs) 04:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

WEB

{{editsemiprotected}} A WEB section under FICTION would be instructive:

There is a new crop of humorous sites that are using parody as a way to discuss the event. Worth noting : http://www.geddongear.comTweak2020 (talk) 20:42, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

 Not done: I would think that this statement would not be helpful in an excyclopedia. Leujohn ^(talk) 09:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

2012 predictions

The most advanced models presented at the 2007 meeting of the American Geophysical Union anticipated an ice-free Arctic in the summer as early as 2013 or even 2012 ??? = where will all of the melted ice go to ? = flooding ?? = new seaways open allowing access to North pole for countries to explore and to rape for minerals could cause a war ? Two large dams to be removed in 2012 in Upper USA = ? severe flooding ??

2012 Doomsday prediction

Just letting people know that this new article exists. dougweller (talk) 21:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Religious holidays

Can we come up with a more neutral term than "Christianity" for holidays such as Christmas and Easter... as the list correctly notes, the Orthodox Churchs celebrate these holidays on other days of the year... and Orthodox Christians are no less a part of Christianity than the Roman Catholic or various Protestant denominations. Perhaps "Majority of Christian denominations"? Blueboar (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

2012 Movie Based Era

The movie "The Postman" with Kevin Costner is based in 2012. The world is unorganized and there has been plague in certain places. Morale is low, so is life in general. Everything seems to have gone the opposite direction in advancements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokmongo (talk • contribs) 00:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Try 2013. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

ROC 100th anniversary

Arthur Rubin, why did you revert my edit? ROC was established on 1-1-1912 RayYung (talk) 02:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Answered on my talk page. Anniversaries are not included in (future) year articles unless there are present, notable, sourced, plans for commemmoration, and maybe not even then. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:08, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Call of Duty 4

Should it be noted in gaming that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare took place in the year 2012? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

If accurate, and if the game has an article which confirms that, it's appropriate for the "in fiction" or "in video games" section. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Whoops my bad, 2011 :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.154.144 (talk) 20:47, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

View Source

LOL pseudoscience. I see all this troofing has led to enough vandalism to cause the 2012 article to be semi-protected. First of all: there is no Planet X. Second of all, Earth Changes relies in part on obsolete geology, which has been surpassed by the more accurate plate tectonics theory. How would Atlantis or Mu rise "again" if they were never there to begin with, and is the Mid-Atlantic Ridge really eruptive enough to create an "Atlantis"? (Well, it built Iceland, but that was hot spot volcanism, and I don't know of any other hot spots under the Mid-Atlantic Ridge.) As for Mu, there is an oceanic ridge at the boundaries of the Nazca Plate and Pacific Plate, but it's not likely to produce land. No land means no real displacement of water; no real displacement of water means no sea level rises swamping existing land. Finally, the idea of a rapid pole shift is also bunk. The Earth has a lot of inertia; how is it supposed to tilt without something big hitting it or affecting it somehow? Since there's apparently no planet X or anything similar in size, we might as well conclude the Earth will stay on roughly the same axis it has in the past. Now that this troofy stuff has been disproven, let's get on with the events that may realistically happen in 2012, and not worry about the troofy stuff. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

2012 Myths

Do you believe that as the Sun rises on the morning of December 21, 2012, the Winter Solstice will align in the dark rift of the Milky Way and eclipse the black hole at the center of our galaxy? This is one of the more popular "myths" circulating about 2012. It is a myth because none of it is factually correct.

Facts: 1. It is only Winter Solstice for the northern hemisphere of the Earth on Decemeber 21. 2. It is astronomically impossible for the Sun to "eclipse" the exact Galactic Center. 3. The Sun's astronomical relationship to the center of our galaxy on December 21, 2012, is the same as every other year at that time. 4. The "Galactic Alignment" of the solstices with the galactic equator occurred in 1998-2001 and NOT in 2012. 5. The "dark rift" in the Milky Way doesn't even reach the ecliptic, the apparent path of the Sun in the sky. 6. Sunrise occurs at different times depending where you are on the Earth. 7. Scholars are not in agreement that December 21, 2012, is the last day of the 13-Baktun cycle. The term and cycle called "Baktun" was coined by Mayanists and there is no contemporary evidence amoungst the living Maya of the indigenous use of this cycle. It is based on modern "speculation" about the Classic Maya use of their calendar.

Raymond Mardyks is an expert astrologer who claims that the real Maya Calendar has not been revealed to the public and that nearly all of the information that passes for being the Maya Calendar is based on modern interpretations and does not contain the essence or spirit of the authentic calendar and astrology system. He bases his conclusion on his expertise with multi-dimensional and multicultural astrology and his ability to read the Dresden Codex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.114.136.226 (talk) 23:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)