Talk:The Sims 3

Citation Needed?

I was just scanning through the articles when I noticed a citation needed label. I read the statement and I feel there is no need for it. It simply says: items can be rotated freely. Any Sims 3 fan that does some surfing will find this, its common knowledge. If you still feel the need for a citation, I can tell you that the same statement can be found on the official Sims 3 site, in a blog (pre-creators camp) I do believe. Also, on a help note, there is a paragraph under Sunset valley about the sims in the neighborhood, I've tried to edit it but I still don't think its up to wikipedia's standards, so editing would be appreciated. Haecandrome (talk) 17:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

"Any Sims 3 fan" is the key here. A reader does not have to be a fan of the article's subject to read it. What is obvious to you and me might be completely new to someone not familiar with the game. Take a look at the Need for Speed Undercover article and see the amount of references and "citation needed" - It's full of them. Citations are required.

Also, please start new discussions at the bottom of a talk page per WP:TP#Formatting. -- Lyverbe (talk) 23:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

iPhone release date in infobox

I added "iPhone OS" release date as TBA the infobox. Samurai Cerberus, you removed it. Why? -- Lyverbe (talk) 00:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

iPhone has been confirmed. On a side note, please put new topics UNDER the old ones, it's common courtesy.

Please see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines

Look at the date it was posted compare to other posts in this page. This was fresh from an archive creation and it WAS the first message back then. -- Lyverbe (talk) 12:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Technicals

Don't suppose we could get some more information on the technical aspects, the engine it's running and such, or any information on how it was developed. Just something on a more technical side, as this article focuses on the in-game features too heavily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.110.97 (talk) 14:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Old Discussions?

Ummm....what exactly happened to all the old discussions for this page? Some of them WERE still in progress. It's very rude to just go about removing discussions nilly willy as if you own this page or something! And, it's not protocal to EVER remove discussions, unless it's your userpage and you choose to do so. Keep this in mind, okay? Thanks! Johnnywalterboy (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh! I apologize! I didn't see the archive! Sorry! Wow, silly me! Again, sorry! Johnnywalterboy (talk) 21:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Still, the archives should have been done better than just a complete move/rename of the talk page. When I do them, I only archive the topics that haven't been touched for at least a month. We also lost the history. Not neat. -- Lyverbe (talk) 23:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

When I archive a page, I always take the current content and cut & paste it to an archive page. Archiving in-progress conversations shouldn't be done, however. The history can still be accessed. It's right here on this page. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 01:32, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

As long as everything still exists in one form or another, I think the current talk page is fine. Most of the archived discussions were resolved anyway. 75.28.55.71 (talk) 05:53, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Build & Buy modes

I have recently added information about the new user-interface design. I thought it might be a good idea to add the picture of the dining category that was posted in The Sims 3 Community Blog http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/blog.jsp?author=Feisal%20Maroof#BuildandBuyModeDeveloperBlog because it would help the reader to better-understand the information on this artilce on the second paragraph of Build and Buy mode.

I can't do it due to the fact that im not a user can someone plese upload this. Plus this picture is more important and needed than the picture of the rally outside Town Hall that was on this article a while ago.--124.177.188.254 (talk) 00:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Why not become a member and do it? its free and easy to register 'smile' Alec1990 | talk to me! 23:35, 28 Feb 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.58.57 (talk)

in-game info? citation needed still?

How does all this "Citation Needed" business work when the game is released? How do you provide a ref for something that is in the game but not on web pages? Do you provide a ref saying in-game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.224.50 (talk) 15:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I believe you cannot use the primary material as a source so you won't be able to use it as a reference. However I imagine once the game has been released, everything that is important to know regarding in-game features will be on the Sims 3 official website. I imagine you could also use the game guide as that should contain everything you need to know as well. Dark verdant (talk) 16:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Maxis involvement

I'm a little surprised that this article doesn't mention why it's being developed by EA Redwood Shores rather than Maxis. Is there any known reason? (Other than Spore.) RobertM525 (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Take a look in the archives. This issue has been discussed many times in different sections. -- Lyverbe (talk) 14:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Wants and Fears...

Saw this in the gameplay section... "The Want and Fear system of The Sims 2 is replaced by Wants and Fears." I think that could do with rewording/clearing up! Does anyone know what the wants and fears system is replaced by, or is there a better way of putting it/explaining it if it's actually the same? Pheebalicious (talk) 22:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

It's replaced by wishes. A Sim will have wishes appear as they go about their daily business. It might be something small, like they see their neighbour's TV and wish for a better TV. It might be something bigger, like a wish to marry a certain Sim. The player can then fulfil the wish, and the Sim will get a small positive moodlet.

The player can also choose to "promise" to fulfil a wish. If they fulfil a promised, the Sim will still get a positive moodlet, and they will also earn Lifetime Happiness Points. However, if the player fails to fulfil a promise, the Sim will get a negative moodlet.

So while there is no penalty for failing to fulfil a wish, there is a penalty for failing to fulfil a promise.

For a better explanation, see: http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/blog.jsp?author=Lyndsay%20Pearson#WishesandLifetimeHappiness Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 23:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Release date TBA?

I don't think it's accurate at this stage to describe the release date as TBA. The EA UK site never had the release date added to the page, but the only official word regarding the date straight from EA is the 20th August news article. Also, on another official EA Sims 3 site advertisement 2 of 9 on the front page still shows a release date of 20/2/09, with less than a month to go before the release date. I'm aware that there has been much speculation regarding the release date today, sparked by the following comment:

"We are currently evaluating the launch window. The game looks great and in the near future we'll have more information."

This comment has appeared on some gaming news sites, but none of them seem to cite a source. Some say it was a "statement" issued by EA, but they do not say who issued the statement, and I couldn't find it anywhere other than this handful of gaming news sites (for example, it does not appear on EA's press site). The uncertainty should be discussed in this article (which I am unable to edit), but I think to change the release date in the right column until the information actually comes from EA is to repeat what is, for now, just a rumour.

Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The UK site had the release date. It was changed to TBA this weekend. I rather go with the latest official changes than old news. Of course, if I'm alone thinking this way, bring it back to Feb. 20 until we have another official press release or something. -- Lyverbe (talk) 00:09, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't edit the page, and the release date says 2/20/08, not 2/20/09 as it should be. Can someone change this? --Koyo123 01:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koyo123 (talk • contribs)

Mesaana: "Added release date. Confirmed by official EA website." The source I provided was also from an official EA website, and it said TBA. My argument is as good as yours. I'm wondering how old news makes it better than recent news? -- Lyverbe (talk) 03:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Richard: EA's website http://www.eagames.co.uk/game/the-sims-3/ says TBA, http://thesims3.ea.com/ says 2009, the 20th Feb date stems from a 20th August 2008 press release, and until recently that was accurate, but when all the EA sites have now taken down that date and replaced with it TBA/2009, since that is much more recent than the 20th Feb release date announcement I don't think listing it as being released then is correct. 86.160.126.231 (talk) 09:52, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}}—Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.247.229.148 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The {{editsemiprotected}} template is for making specific requests; if this refers to the request by 86.160.126.231 above, that change has now been made. —Snigbrook 20:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here it is from the official The Sims 3 website. The release date is Feb 20th. Does this count or has it been refuted somehow? I think if they changed their minds, they would've taken it down. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I asked in Game the other day, and they said the release date was 20th February, although Amazon.co.uk and Game.co.uk both say June! I really don't know, but I hope it's February. KillerKat (talk) 00:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The first rule is to stick with whatever the publisher themselves say, so we'll do that. As for hoping, I'd rather expect that the game is released in June and if it's released in February, then great, rather than hoping it's in February and then being disappointed when it's in June. Gary King (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

TBA and Delay Settling

I have edited the Release Date to 'TBA' because as of now, nobody is sure that the date is even in February or further.

And I have added that the 'Debate settling' meeting will be held on the 3rd of February after it is settled a new date will be displayed in place of TBA --Erhama (talk) 17:06, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I removed some of this text - the wording is speculative and unencyclopedic. Achromatic (talk) 17:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Meeting? What meeting? Who, where, what time? I agree with Achromatic as to the removal of the speculative text. However, I'm not sure that the date is correct. In one edit, he said Amazon lists the release date. While that is verifiable (though he didn't ref it), they are probably basing their release date on erroneous information too. EA is the only ref we can really trust on this one, and it sounds like they're being mum. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree. People write all kinds of date coming from anywhere. If I need to trust either Amazon or the official site, call me crazy, but I'll go with the official site. Currently, the official site says TBA. There shouldn't even be a debate regarding the release date. -- Lyverbe (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The "meeting" is EA's quarterly conference call with shareholders. It is likely that they will discuss things likely to impact on their profits in the next quarter - for example, the delay of a major game such as The Sims 3. EA have not specified whether they will confirm the release date in that meeting, although it seems likely. It is all rather speculative, but I do still feel that without an announcement from EA to the contrary, the only accurate "official" release date is the one which was set in August in a press release. Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

And, as I stated above, Feb 20th is still on their The Sims 3 website here. If they changed it, I think they would've taken it down. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

The 20th February date is still on that page, but it's a news item, only intended to be correct when it was published, so I don't expect (and wouldn't want) it to be updated with new information. —Snigbrook 20:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I've searched several reliable sources, including the Sims 3 official site, and they all list February 20, 2009 as the release date for the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madsmaddie2 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I've gone on the Official Site and it reads "comming in 2009!" Where on the site is February 20th 2009? What section? http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/ce_preorder.jsp - States dates about terms and conditions of the Colectors Edition. But nothing about February 20th I've found.--60.231.215.37 (talk) 08:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Found it. http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/newsItem.jsp?item=346181212 - That is from a long time ago. Still, if the developers felt they needed more time then they would have taken it down.--60.231.215.37 (talk) 08:13, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

This was addressed above by Snigbrook: "it's a news item, only intended to be correct when it was published, so I don't expect (and wouldn't want) it to be updated with new information." If it really were the 20th, I don't think EA would be so coy about the actual release date: that's not good marketing. EA knows marketing. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Ben Bell (Executive Producer) recently said "February 2009" @ http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=8o4P-ss7_70 ten seconds in. This vedio is very recent.--121.220.192.146 (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Video is recent because it was posted on Jan 24th? That doesn't make it new news! There's a difference between "posting" and "recording" time. It could have been recorded six months ago, so yeah, he could have said "Feb. 2009", but it could be old news. -- Lyverbe (talk) 02:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Even if you're maintaining that the date has not officially been changed to TBA, I doubt anyone could deny that the date IS in question right now, and we're all waiting for an announcement to settle the matter. (In other words, waiting for it To Be Announced. See what I did there?) Hopefully such an announcement will come on Monday. Also, using a news release that's clearly dated August 2008 as evidence that the date has not been changed in the last few weeks is ridiculous. Propaniac (talk) 18:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

EA are not confirming a Release Date until they are 100% sure its ready for production, they have said "20th February 2009" but that was last year, and EA think there could be a delay - EA will confirm if there is/isnt a delay later today 2pm (PST). DJBoddington (talk) 14:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a delay has been confirmed on EA's press site. They have The Sims 3 pegged for June 09: http://www.ea.gamespress.com/ - I think this now counts as an "official" enough source to put this on the page, if somebody able to edit it would do so? Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 17:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Funny, I don't see anything on that page about The Sims 3. Could you provide a more direct link (instead of to the aggregate page)? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

They've changed it again. It said June 2009: The Sims 3 in the left column when I posted that, but now they've taken that information down. I'm sure the information will reappear later on, it was probably just posted too soon. Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 18:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The ship date (not release date) is now officially 2nd June 09. Check here on the official site: http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/news.jsp?month=2&year=2009 Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 19:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, it's official. (And pardon me while I sob about having to wait another FOUR MONTHS before this game that was supposed to be out in SEVENTEEN DAYS. I'm heartbroken.) Propaniac (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That's official enough for me. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

That news page isn't showing any text for me, besides the layout, images, etc. Gary King (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, looks like it's broken right now. Try back in a couple of hours. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 21:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, now their website is completely broken. I assume this news is really disappointing a lot of people, including myself. Gary King (talk) 21:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

If the EA press release isn't working, a Google News Alert search for "Sims 3" will come up with several articles posted this afternoon about the release date change. Propaniac (talk) 01:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

The release date is June 02 2009 http://www.thesims3.net , not June 05 2009. Someone has also locked this? 23:20, 4 February 2009(UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesims3expert (talk • contribs)

Xbox 360 and PS3 ports

I belive the Xbox 360 and PS3 ports are TBA, so I will list them aswell as PC and iPhone. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 14:58, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You didn't cite any reference that states that there will be Xbox 360 and PS3 ports. We need a valid, reliable reference to make such a statement. At this point, really only EA is an authority on this, not blogs, Sims fansites, etc. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 16:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Neither console platform has been even hinted at, much less confirmed. Also, given EA's relationship with Nintendo

(SimAnimals, Spore, MySims all released on the Nintendo Wii/DS and PC.) Johnnywalterboy (talk) 03:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure they were TBA until a few months ago, but I think they were scrapped for the near future, until they get the PC releace going, The Sims 3 will probally be releaced on consoles, but I doubt it will the Wii, as the Wii is a last generation console, and the Xbox 360 and PS3 are next generation, the Wii is most likely not powerful enough to play a next generation game, that would be like porting GTA 4 over to the Wii, the Wii is simply not powerful enough, which is why I doubt the Sims 3 being ported on to the Wii, but not home consoles all together, expecially when you consider that the Sims 1 and 2 were on home consoles. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of how powerful the Wii is it is a current gen console. 86.165.156.154 (talk) 11:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Well ok then, how come GTA 4 is a current gen game and never got a port on the Wii, I belive it is because it is to powerful to be releaced on the wii. Care to prove me wrong? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 11:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

This isn't really the appropriate forum to discuss such things. The only things that should be discussed here are ways to improve the article. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 00:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Ok so for now, until EA says anything new about the Sims 3 console ports, the topic is closed? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 17:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

No. This isn't the appropriate forum to discuss the power of one console versus another. It isn't up to us to debate or try to second guess why EA may be porting a game from one system to another or why. If it's hotly debated from a reputable source and is noteworthy, it can be referenced and included in the article. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:02, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Misspelt surname in reference

The following is listed as a reference: "9. ^ a b Broham, Steve (18 July 2008). "The Sims 3: First Preview". The Sims Resource. http://www.thesimsresource.com/article/sims3. Retrieved on 28 November 2008." This guy's name is Steve Bonham, not Broham, as you can see on The Sims Resource staff page: http://www.thesimsresource.com/helpcenter/staff . Could somebody correct that? Tinkerbell1987 (talk) 20:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 20:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

New Box Art

The new, official box art can be found here: [1]

found directly from EA website ([2]) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maleheffer (talk • contribs) 22:13, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

SIMS 3 New Realease date In NJ

Well The Sims 3 To My Knowledge Is Being Released February 16th Because OF The Website http://www.gamecrazy.com/games/game.aspx?id=13740&LF=STL So Check it Out um Don't Believe This http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/newsItem.jsp?item=1183392783 It Says It SHIPS WORLDWIDE ON JUNE 2ND IF YOU LIVE IN THE NJ AREA THEN IT IS BEING RELEASED FEB 16 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickstarbeckyrr (talk • contribs) 22:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

That website might not have been updated. If it was a news item that was released after EA's press release, then I would think twice, but in this case, it's most likely outdated. Gary King (talk) 23:23, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

You're telling us not to believe an official source? From the actual makers? I don't understand. Why would the first website know what EA don't? Dark verdant (talk) 11:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I think we've encountered a troll here. He wanted to evoke such a response with his ridiculous post. Don't feed the trolls. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

But if I don't feed them they wont be distracted enough for me to cross the bridge. Dark verdant (talk) 13:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I've read both the wiki troll thing and both of those two posts, and I don't thing this user that you are all are talking about is trolling cos I read those two posts and I think they are pretty beliveable, it may be offial infomation, maybe The Sims 3 is coming out on the 16.2.09, I'lld look into it, but I must note that when I read the Winter '08 argos catoulouge it said The Sims 3 comes out 20.2.09, I recon that someone should look into this. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

GameSpot has updated their release dates to June 2nd; a website that I trust a whole lot more than GameCrazy. Gary King (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Blueeyedbeaty96 SAYS: Were I live the relese date is still Febrary 20th. I'm So exsited I can't wait to play it! :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueeyedbeauty96 (talk • contribs) 18:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Now I know that the Sims 3 releace date data is meant to be coming from EA and only EA, and I know EA said the releace date is 2.6.09 but, this link[3] on gamespot says that The Sims 3 will be releaced on the 5.6.09 rather than 2.6.09, so that should be considered for change. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 21:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

No, please check this. It's clarified there (by GameSpot). Gary King (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wait, I've checked this and accroding to the infomation givin by gamespot, It states that the Sims 3 releace date is 2.6.09 North America, and 5.2.09 Europe, if that's the case then it should be edited to NA 2.6.09 and EU 5.6.09, if there are no more delays that is. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so I guess we're cool now, after the recent edits. Gary King (talk) 21:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sure are. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 23:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Question?

Why does the picture of the cover have a mac and PC emblem...? Will the disk be a duel platform game? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.155.203 (talk) 13:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the game will be formated for both types of computers. Johnnywalterboy (talk) 03:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

System Requirement

The article doesn't include the system requirements, which I think are very important to any computer game. This is what the sims 3 website says: http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/newsItem.jsp?item=236875146

FOR WINDOWS XP

Windows XP (Service Pack 2) 2.0 GHz P4 processor or equivalent 1 GB RAM At least 6.5 GB of hard drive space with at least 1 GB additional space for custom content 128 MB Video Card with support for Pixel Shader 2.0 FOR WINDOWS VISTA

Windows Vista (Service Pack 1) 2.4 GHz P4 processor or equivalent 1.5 GB RAM At least 6.5 GB of hard drive space with at least 1 GB additional space for custom content 128 MB Video Card with support for Pixel Shader 2.0 For computers using built-in graphics chipsets, the game requires at least: Intel Integrated Chipset, GMA X3000 or above. 2.6 GHz Pentium D CPU, or 1.8 GHz Core 2 Duo, or equivalent 0.5 GB additional RAM —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.241.177 (talk) 23:50, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

The system requirements are in the Development section, under the heading titled "System requirements". Gary King (talk) 04:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Mac System Requirements

Where did this come from? It has still not been confirmed by EA that TS3 requires an intel-based Mac. 193.91.240.134 (talk) 11:21, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

It was added here. In any case, I'm assuming that the editor just assumed it, considering there hasn't been software released for the PowerPC in a while I think? At least, nothing too major. Gary King (talk) 16:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Reason for the delay

FWIW, if anyone would like to add the (supposed) reasons for the delay, this IGN article mentions it. RobertM525 (talk) 11:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

From the article:

According to Russell Arons, Vice President of Marketing at EA, "The June launch combined with the break-through game the team is building gives us the perfect runway to create awareness for The Sims 3. [It] will be the original IP summer blockbuster of 2009 as we build off the success of the best-selling PC franchise of all time to create awareness with both loyal Sims fans and new players."

So, in short, they gave no reason. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:04, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Australia has The Sims 3!

Sp was this game released in Australia already? Or is the sentence in the lead a mistake? Is the fact that they didn't update a past release date for one area one of the most important things about this game?YobMod 11:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It looks like a mistake. I highly doubt Australia has it already. It'll be a simultaneous worldwide release. Someone needs to look into this. I'd do it, but I have other fish to fry at the moment. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:48, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Dunno, If I get a spair minute I'll google this one, but I'm pretty busy like. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 23:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Promotion?

I want to nip this in the bud. A user added a "Promotion" section and I copyedited, but then Big Bird removed the whole section (a good move, I think) since the whole section read like a press release from EA. Another user just added it back in again. Should we have it or no? I vote no; it just sounds too much like an ad. At most, it should be a sentence or two, not a whole paragraph. Anyone else? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I vote no too. Perhaps merge it as a single line somewhere in "Release", but I don't believe it's worth having its own section. -- Lyverbe (talk) 19:30, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, my revert of the Promotion section keeps getting reverted by anons (it looks like different anons, based on the IP addresses). I don't want to break the 3 revert rule. Does anyone else want to weigh in on this? How are we supposed to handle a bunch of anons messing with the article? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 15:37, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we've now reached an agreement to satisfy everyone. -- Lyverbe (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I see you've shortened the section to just about two sentences as I mentioned above. Thanks, that's all it deserves. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Pets

Pets are included in Sims 3. This should probably be mentioned in the 'features from previous expansion packs' paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.63.140 (talk) 00:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Do you have a valid reference? I can't find one apart from speculation on forums. Jozal (talk) 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazon.co.uk has a section called "Manufacturer's Description" on their Sims 3 product page. This information is presumably submitted by EA. It says "Instant expansion: The game includes many feature from the The Sims 2 expansions from the off, including personal inventories, pets, private cars, restaurants and gardening." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.63.140 (talk) 01:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I see it. It seems to check out. I'm not entirely sure if Amazon is a verifiable source though. Jozal (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, there will not be pets unless Amazon were talking about the fish and insects you could catch. (http://thesims3.ea.com/view/pages/blog.jsp?author=Eric Holmberg-Weidler#CollectionBlog)82.46.73.110 (talk) 06:17, 6 April 2009 (UTC)