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Hi, Sarandioti. This is NOT some automated message...it's from a real person. You can talk to me right now. Welcome to Wikipedia! I noticed you've just joined, and wanted to give you a few tips to get you started. If you have any questions, please talk to us. The tips below should help you to get started. Best of luck!  Chzz  ►  22:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hey,

It was great to chat with you; hope we'll be seeing you again.

I thought it might be helpful if I coped in some of the many things we discussed, so that you have the links if you ever need 'em;

• WP:TIND (There is no deadline)
• William Windsor (goat)
• WP:ANI - to report serious problems, such as racism
• WP:FA Featured articles - we mentined 1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
• WP:PUMP Village pump; good place to get community input
• Goatse
• Wikipedia:Systemic bias
• Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia is not a democracy
• Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy
• Flying Spaghetti Monster
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth (2nd nomination)
• WP:TIGER
• WP:SPIDER

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  14:22, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Hi

Pershendetje patriot, si e kam Saranden?Balkanian`s word (talk) 10:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Shume mire eshte Saranda vella faleminderit. Ti si je? Shkon mire zhvillimi i Wikipedias Shqiptare?--Sarandioti (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Lere mos e pyet, shume pak veta dhe shumica prej nesh nuk kemi kohe :-). Duhet te njihemi edhe une nga sr jam.Balkanian`s word (talk) 11:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Msn ke vella? Te flasim per disa ceshtje, dhe zhvillimin e wikipedias Shqiptare. Po ke me dergo e-mail.--Sarandioti (talk) 11:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Kam me jep adresen tende te te bej add.Balkanian`s word (talk) 12:22, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Kam te "hapur" setting qe jep mundesine te me dergojne email. Ma dergo msn-in tend me email. Ketu e shikojne shume, prandaj spo e ve--Sarandioti (talk) 13:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Shih

Ej, hidhi nje sy kesaj. Kam shume kohe qe po e pergatis, po nuk e kam mbaruar akoma.Balkanian`s word (talk) 15:36, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Azis Tahir Ajdonati

Hi, have you some english speaking book/source that mentions him (the same with Jakup Veseli)?Alexikoua (talk) 10:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

The particular reference is one of the most reliable on certain issues. However, even if we didnt have a source, it is clear that he is from Paramythia. Check his surname, it is Ajdonati, he took it from the Albanian name of Paramythia. Have a nice day.--Sarandioti (talk) 11:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

You are relying on a 19th century work (1861), there was an consensus about outdated sources. Kountouriotis was Arvanite, according to more reliable sources mentioned on the Arvanites article. Alexikoua (talk) 11:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Kountrouriotis was indeed an Arvanite, which is NOT mentioned in the article. For the time being do not revert anything. I'll find a more "approriate" means to include that he was arvanite --Sarandioti (talk) 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

you have rendered the article unreadable, no problem with the unreferenced setences. i added the Despotate's foundation+ deleted Aidonati. Would be interested if he is mentioned in a english speaking source. Alexikoua (talk) 11:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

why dont u give an inline? that's why i deleted your uncomfirmed claim, seems you always are not used to cooperate. If u mean this language was spoken by a (uncomfirmed) number of inhabitants that lived in the area, its a clear pov pushing and doesn't need to be mentioned on the template. In that region lived or passed also: Italian, Latin, Vlach, Bulgarian, Serbian, Arabian, Turkish, French, Aromanian speakers.Alexikoua (talk) 09:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

The Albanians were one of the main groups living in epirus, my source is totally valid. You have no right to remove it. I see no POV here, as Albanians were a main group of the area.--Sarandioti (talk) 09:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Why dont u relax? The stuff you are reading is brain damaging you, be carefull. Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Preveza, Arta

To add the Albanian name of a town in the lead, there have to be native speakers of the language linving there. That is not the case in Arta and Preveza, so please stop this nonsense. WP:NCGN is crystal-clear in this case. Your reference is a medieval history book, which is irrelevant and proves nothing. --Athenean (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Cham Albanians lived even in those areas, so the same rules that apply to Paramythia, Margariti, Philiates etc. apply to them --Sarandioti (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, they didn't. You don't have a reference for that anyway, and Chams don't live there now. The only reason I agreed to leave the Albanian name in the lead for Igoumenitsa is because there is a reference that mentions that Albanian speakers still live there now. This is not the case for Preveza, and certainyl not Arta. --Athenean (talk) 21:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

As I said same rules that apply to Margariti, Igoumenitsa, Philiates, Paramythia aply to Arta, Preveza, Janina. Would you like the issue to be moderated by a third party? --Sarandioti (talk) 21:51, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

There were never large numbers of Chams in Preveza, Arta, and Ioannina. Repeating yourself over and over won't help. If we go by your logic, we should also add the Greek name in Korytsa, Vlore, Durres, etc... These articles were perfectly stable before you came in. --Athenean (talk) 21:57, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Sarandioti if u r righ, this means that on the same basis Greek names should be added in a number of modern Albanian cities in which Greeks lived ones. Well, I believe the Jicerek line leaves only Shkodra outside the Greek-speaking zone. Alexikoua (talk) 22:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you did not understand what I said, I suggested that the Albanian names should be added as these areas were part of the Albanian principalities and the Cameria region. As for your comments there is a complete difference between nationality/usage of language/religion. The Jirecek line is related not to languge of inhabitants but to sphere of influence/power. Claiming that south of the jirecek line all people were speaking greek as their mother tongue is the same as claiming that north of the line they were all latin speakers. I believe I am clear. Best Regards. --Sarandioti (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

and what language was official in the byzantine empire in which epirus nova/illyrica greaca was a province? let me guess Alexikoua (talk) 10:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Alexikua the issue has been clarified by the intervention of the admin in the 3RR report against you. No further discussion is necessary.(2 admins already have supported what I added)--Sarandioti (talk) 10:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Lale

Si te kam Saranda ;)? Digjo shiko mos mblidhemi njehere ketu [1] Mos bejme ndonje gje te hajrit,nejse flasim.--Taulant23 (talk) 21:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Patjeter ja do hap nje llogari atje dhe hidhi nje sy kesaj harte.[2] --Taulant23 (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Greek names, Albanian names

Sarandioti my friend, what is it you are trying to do here? I mean, really. Do you think your campaign to remove every single Greek name from cities in southern Albania, and to add the Albanian name of every single Greek city in Ipiros, has even the slightest chance of success? It is as hopeless as it is nationalistic. Like it or not, there are Greek Wikipedians on the English Wikipedia. Lots of them. With lots of experience and a good command of the English Language. With these articles watchlisted. And they are not going anywhere. So, take this as a friendly suggestion, please stop this madness. If you chose to continue down this path, it will only lead to a quick exit from wikipedia. --Athenean (talk) 00:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Athenean you are accusing me, without any valid reasons. I added names only in Cham inhabited areas, while you try to add names in towns with no significant greek populations, with methods like "the name x comes from the greek name x". And I didnt remove your attempts, I just told you to add them below.--Sarandioti (talk) 08:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for 3RR violation. You are welcome to make useful contributions after the block expires. If you believe this block is unjustified you may contest this block by adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here}} below.

At Sarandë, per a complaint at the 3RR noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 14:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Sarandioti (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

I was blocked for breaking the 3RR rule. Alexikua accused me of making more than 3 reverts on the same day in Paramythia article BUT if you see * 1st revert: [3] * 2nd revert: [4] * 3rd revert: [5] * 4th revert: [6] 1 and 2: 6/06/2009 3 and 4: 7/06/2009 so how exactly did I break the 3RR rule? I did not make more than 3 reverts on the same day. ALexikua tried to manipulate this, so I believe that he should be blocked for this. I did not break the rule.--Sarandioti (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The rule is clearly for a 24 hour period; not a physical day. Regardless, the pattern of edit warring is disturbing and would warrant action even if it did not technically break the rule. Please consider limiting yourself to discussion on talk pages after your block expires until you have a better feel for how to work with others in contested articles. Thanks. Kuru ^talk 15:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

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Comment on block

Hello, I'm the admin who closed the 3RR case. The 3RR violation was on the Sarandë article. Though there was a general pattern of revert warring by Sarandioti on the language issue, I did not have to rely on that for my conclusion, since the four reverts within 24 hours on Sarandë were quite clear. EdJohnston (talk) 14:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I did not know that the 3RR was based on 24 hours system. I thought that it was related to date, rather than amount of hours. Could you plese unblock me since I did not know its exact function. If I knew that it refered to 24 hours, I would not break the rule. --Sarandioti (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Can you explain how you knew so much about Wikipedia when you first arrived here? I assume you are a reincarnation of an experienced editor. EdJohnston (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really. I just studied the templates before starting to write, and also talked to some experienced editors in the help channel. About my appeal: Could you please unblock me? I didnt know that 3RR was related to a 24 hours basis, and thoguht that it actually refers to date. I dont like reverting other peoples' edits, but look what Alexikua added now that I'm blocked in the Berat article. He added 3 names. If we take a closer we will see that Bulcheriopolis and Antipatrea are medieval and ancient greek names, therefore they are in contrast to the WP:Usage of Modern Names, and he also added a greek version of the Albanian name Berat as Βερατιον. However, there is no greek community in Berat, something that is clear in the article. I am blocked because of a mistaken interpretation of the rule, but the one who reported me did this, in order to promote his nationalist beliefs, as long as I am blocked. --Sarandioti (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2009 (UTC)