Talk:Felipe Massa

Length

This article is way too long for someone who is a minor celebrity for everyone but F1 fans. I mean seriously the article is almost as long as the one about Jesus Christ. A summary of every F1 race the guy has ever been in does not belong on a "comprehensive encyclopedia".

What a soft article

Everything in the 2008 section appears to be written with a pro-Massa bias. There is no reference to his remark that Sutil should have moved over for him in the pitlane, no mention of the widespread disagreement with Bourdais' penalty in Japan or the mild controversy about his aggressive move on Webber, or that Raikkonen has refused to publically support him towards the title but Alonso has. Anybody reading this without knowledge of F1 would gain a false opinion of his worth, both as a driver and as a man.--MartinUK (talk) 10:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you put some of this stuff in there then? You're becoming a pretty biased editor if you don't mind me saying, but there's nothing to stop you editing this article, and then everyone else can decide whether it's balanced or not. A false opinion of his worth as a man? You know him, do you? Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you go and talk about Hamilton's aggressive move on Webber at Monza? Or are you selective about aggressive overtaking moves on Mark Webber? Surely not. Moreover, Raikkonen said that he would do what the team tell him to do, which is about as much as anyone could expect him to say. Bretonbanquet (talk) 10:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hamilton's move was aggressive, and risky to his race, but nowhere near as dangerous as Massa's. I'm no pro-Lewis fanatic, I feel that he's taken needless risks at the wrong times quite often and has lost his head on a couple of occasions. Fair point that I don't know Massa personally, but he doesn't come across too well in interviews.--MartinUK (talk) 12:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Motor racing is dangerous. And I take your point, but plenty of racing drivers come across badly in interviews - Raikkonen and Hamilton are cases in point. Bretonbanquet (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It should be remembered we are here to document and not judge. We should document what they do, not how evil they are or how big a penis they might be. --Narson ~ Talk • 19:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I think your edits are over the top Martin. YellowMonkey (click here to chose Australia's next top model!) 00:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

About pizza

He started to take an interest in racing after delivering pizzas to the Brazilian grand prix when he was 7

When he was 7 years old (in 1988?), he should have lived in Sao Paulo, but the Brazilian Grand Prix had been held in Rio de Janeiro (1981 - 1989). Did he go to deliver the pizza to Rio de Janeiro? Or, is the age wrong? Or, wasn't it a Grand Prix of Formula One? I want to know detail. --Morio 03:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Isnt the age 17? I heard he used to deliver pizza, but on Interlagos. <Spriteyou!> (11/04/2008, 22:21) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spriteyou! (talk • contribs) 00:21, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This news article says 17; although the text seems to have been removed from the article anyway. DH85868993 (talk) 02:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

DQ

Just black flagged in Montreal for exiting the pit under a red light. DarkAudit 18:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I think a more recent picture, with him as a Ferrari driver, should be added but I don't know the procedure on how to do this The Dunnie 17:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

The first step is to locate a picture which satisfies Wikipedia's Image use policy. That's usually the hardest part. DH85868993 04:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Facts

I think this facts section was unnecessary. It was just a simple reiteration of the results above it, and also misleading to the casual reader who wouldn't understand that these facts, which were essentially averages, factor in three seasons driving a Sauber and thus aren't really indicative of his relative performance . The Dunnie 17:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, they don't benefit the reader at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elstros (talk • contribs) 19:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Trivia section

Is any of this information relevant? Also, he is quoted as saying he won his first "championship" in Turkey... this is obviously a misquote as he has not yet won the championship The Dunnie 18:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

-- I may be wrong, but I think he did say championship but meant race.

Additional image

Birthplace

He wasn't born in São Paulo. He was born in Botucatu, a city in the state of São Paulo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.18.29.240 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

True, these statemants should change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elstros (talk • contribs) 19:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

References and living persons

It seems that various contributors to this article are insistent on referencing everything back to autosport.com. Surely it would be better to get references to a wider range of sources, including major news organisations, particularly as some of the information on the autosport website is completely unsourced and very little of it is primary information???? I make this comment whilst considering that information relating to living people should be particularly well sourced, especially if it relates to health........ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arknowledgeman (talk • contribs) 21:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Autosport is widely held to be one of the most reliable, if not the most reliable motorsport media organisations. It has a large number of personnel on scene at all times, and as such does not need to reference any other organisation. It gets all its own information, which is ALL primary. It is used in the current Hungarian GP accident section only twice, once to verify that Massa will miss the next race, which came straight from the Ferrari team principal; and only once with regard to Massa's condition. Autosport will be receiving all this information first hand from Hungary. Many news organisations will be using Autosport for their information, not the other way round. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess each to their own view on Autosport, but I still think there should be a variety of sources..Arknowledgeman (talk) 21:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, and you'll find that most people within motorsport hold Autosport in extremely high regard. There are only two uses of Autosport in that section - if you want to add others, of course go ahead. I believe the two Autosport cites should stay though. And no, I don't work for them, even though it might look like that... ! Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)