Talk:Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

Title change debate

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was not moved. 20:23, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

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Modern Warfare 2 → Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 — Correct name as seen in sources; [1], [2]. Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk) 16:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

See discussion above. The page shouldn't be moved again (or the title within the article changed) until we get a definite source. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy close: see above. Sceptre ^(talk) 00:47, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The box art is taken by fourzerotwo, one of the Infinity Ward developers. This is not fake. The title is clearly "Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2". There should be NO MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. The game's title is clear. LuGiADude (talk) 02:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Numerous online retail stores have changed the name from "Modern Warfare 2" to "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" - See hmv.com, amazon.com, walmart.com,--Shadyaftrmathgunit (talk) 13:55, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The name should be changed, as FourZeroTwo (IW Staff Member) has shown the box art that clearly shows: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. [3] AusBOX —Preceding undated comment added 03:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC).

As soon as an official source publishes a change, then of course change the name. Someone's post on twitter, even on an official account, is not good enough. Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

What about all the news sources reporting on the change? ShadowUltra (talk) 17:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Anything non-speculative? –xeno^talk 18:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Despite what is on the box, Infinity Ward and Activision continue to refer to the game as Modern Warfare 2. Neither have explicitly confirmed a name change. I specifically cited Gamasutra because it did a better job at not jumping to conclusions. Dancter (talk) 20:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

http://www.edge-online.com/news/modern-warfare-2-retains-call-of-duty-branding ShadowUltra (talk) 23:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The phrase "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" did not appear once in Activision's statement. Dancter (talk) 23:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Neither did any terms like "name," "change," or "new title." Also notice the packaging for the other editions of the game, like the Hardened Edition and Prestige Edition, shown right beside the standard edition package.[4] The Call of Duty brand is not present. Dancter (talk) 02:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. The only piece of merchandise with the Call of Duty branding anywhere on it is the standard game... the game disc doesn't have it, the Hardened Edition cover art doesn't have it, nor does the Prestige Edition. All throughout that video it's just being called "Modern Warfare 2", and the logo at the beginning also lacks the Call of Duty name. They probably just tagged the logo on the regular cover art for brand recognition's sake, the game is still just Modern Warfare 2. --99.128.246.74 (talk) 07:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

There hasn't been any response from advocates for a move for nearly three days. I am going ahead and removing the move request banners. Dancter (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The hardend edition case only says Modern Warfare 2 but the regular case says Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 and the disk only says Modern Warfare 2 for all of the disks as seen here[5]. The Movie Master 1 (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Should I add a list of weapons confirmed for single-player?

I added a list of weapons confirmed for singleplayer but someone deleted it

16/7/09

http://modernwarfare247.com/singleplayer/weapons

Hi. I deleted it per WP:GAMECRUFT. Thanks! Fin©™ 08:25, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolution

will be in 1024 * 600

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/c/call-duty-modern-warfare-2/modern-warfare-2-render-at-600p-$1314777.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.162.117.7 (talk) 23:01, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Reception section

one should be started to note the early reception from publishers delaying many games out of the Q4 2009 release window because of MW2's release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.182.57 (talk) 02:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't relate to the critical reception of the game, which is what "Reception" sections are intended for. Besides, only Singularity, also published by Activision, has been pushed back explicitly for that reason; no other game delays have been directly attributed to Modern Warfare 2's release. -- Commdor {Talk} 01:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

No special versions of MW2 for PC confirmed.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/100/1008895p1.html

Yep.

SniperWolf1564 (talk) 19:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone with the appropriate permissions should be adding that 122.107.178.246 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

It's already in the article, and has been since before August 1st. See the "Retail versions" section. -- Commdor {Talk} 03:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Repost

Since there was no response on my first post, why is this game in the Call of duty template when the developer doesn't want it to be a call of duty anymore? Mallerd (talk) 19:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

As stated here by an Activision spokesperson: "Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 is the direct sequel to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. We have focused our attention on Modern Warfare in order to most effectively communicate the fact that this is the first true sequel in the Call of Duty series. Infinity Ward, the original creators of the Call of Duty franchise, has said from the beginning Modern Warfare 2 resides in the Call of Duty universe. This is reflected in the title's package."
The developer and publisher basically reversed their previous statements, and now want to emphasize the game is still a part of the franchise despite the different title. Therefore, MW2 will remain in the template. -- Commdor {Talk} 20:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

For the record, there was a response.[6] Dancter (talk) 20:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry Dancter, I didn't see it :( anyway, it's clear to me now :) Thanks guys Mallerd (talk) 10:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

So called controversy section

I have twice deleted content similar to this:

The game although not yet released has been the subject of some controversy for a number of factors which include the game running at 1024x600 pixels (Infinity Ward is compensating for this by making the game run at 60 frames per second) http://modernwarfare2cod.com/2009/07/30/modern-warfare-2-at-a-sub-hd-600p-resolution/ and a relatively large price hike in the UK http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/weak-pound-forcing-game-prices-up http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/100/1004751p1.html

The first reference is not great quality, and the none of them mention any 'controversy'. This is at best WP:OR Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. That's definitely not controversial, more like a list of issues fans have with the game. The pixel count is just a design decision, and it's irrelevant for the purpose of this article what price the game is sold for in one country. Fan complaints do not make controversy. -- Commdor {Talk} 19:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

{{editsemiprotected}} Please add: Infinity Ward has announced that the PC version of the game will not allow for the use of dedicated servers. Instead Infinity Ward plans the unveiling of IWNET to handle all console and PC games. This has caused a controversy with the competitive and modding PC community generating online petitions with 110,000 signatures as of 10-21-2009. The controversy stems from the notion that without dedicated servers there can be no clans, clan servers, clan competition, or modding of the game. Those connecting to a game will only be allowed to connect to those games in their local area, or by those hosted by gamers already on a predefined friends list. Gamers from differing areas or countries won't be able to connect to the same game without significant lag issues, and can only do so if the players already know each other and have entered each other as friends before the game. -- Jerry of Madison 11:30, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I highly disagree with this addition. While, yes, there's a petition... the people signing it are very uninformed. We need to wait until the game is released and use the function. IW recently debunked a number of the myths about this new feature. Most people hear "No dedicated servers" and proceed to draw a LOT of conclusions. Gpia7r (talk) 17:24, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I can give you three examples of games that use the same exact system that they are promoting.

1. Warcraft 3 will be the first. It doesn't use a matchmaking system, but it is not based off of dedicated servers either. The players connect to a master servers of which its purpose is to point users to listen servers connected to that master server. Master servers is pretty much a database of hosted servers, each game has at least one that displays a list of those servers with rooms available. When players pick a "room" they connect to the room's host straight off of his home connection. Everybody's connection to the match is based on how well they can connect to that host. Granted Warcraft 3 can hold about 12 people per match, but it doesn't require a lot of resources to play either. If the host were to leave the room, the match is over, and everyone loses their connection to the match. Game over. It is also modifiable, one of the mods of which spawned the recent game Heroes of Newerth (DotA was the Warcraft 3 mod it was based off of). These maps can be shared with users, and some even add a different game play mode that was never originally released with the game. http://www.hiveworkshop.com to see what I mean.

2. Left 4 Dead is another good example. It has a matchmaking system and dedicated servers, but no server browsing. In order to get to that particular dedicated server of your choice, you would have to type in a console command to force the matchmaking to pick it, be invited to the server, or follow a friend into that server. This is kind of okay mainly because no one is hosting off of their home connection (will get to the listen server part later). However, most people still like to double click their favorite server to join it. Since Left 4 Dead is on Steam, it can use the capabilities to use a server browser, server filter, and server favorites to navigate through the server browser better. However, the game wasn't developed that way.

Now suppose you didn't have a dedicated server, but wanted to host your own. Well then you would have to host a listen server. A listen sever means you are a temporary server allowing other players to connect to you. In the same case of Warcraft 3, if the host were to leave, the game is pretty much over, unless the game has a transfer host ability (which a game this new might have, can't remember), but not everyone has the ability to host a game of Left 4 Dead's demand. However, the bad thing about being the host of a listen server, is that your ping will be close to 0, everyone elses will be pretty high (will be discussed in the next example). People with a good cable connection can barely host more than a 4 man Left 4 Dead listen server because of the large latency difference, and demand of the game. In FPS's this much difference in latency affects the game play dramatically because the host is 100ms+ faster than the client(s) actions. That is a 0.1 seconds, which in a competitive environment can mean anything.

3. The final example is Call of Duty: World at War's Cooperative "Nazi Zombie" mode. This is a stock mode with the game. The cooperative mode is all based off of listen servers, but it is based off of a server browser, no random matchmaking. The most they allow you to hold is 4 people, that is it. Why? because they know that no one can hold more than 4 on their own, it is too much for a typical residential connection (Fios is not typical, it is high-end). Again like in Left 4 Dead, the host will have next to nothing ping, and the others will have a substantially larger ping.

To show you evidence:

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/3bfe9c150cc63f60c44c754e8d23d5de9588bb0a.png

Guess who the host is?

I am not making this up. It has been tried over and over, and it has repeatedly failed. What Infinity Ward is explaining is a mixture of all 3 above, but without modification or dedicated servers. There is no other way to connect to a person as a listen server other than a Peer 2 Peer (server-client in this case) connection. Medal of Honor and Farcry 2 have both tried the same thing, and Medal of Honor even patched a dedicated server in afterwards. The multiplayer in both games are pretty much ghost towns now. Dedicated servers are used so 4-64 people can connect to a central location, and have very similar pings, making it an enjoyable game experience. Modding is up to the owner of those servers. Some of the angry PC gamers maybe going about this wrong, but they have a right to be angry and the console people flaming them is not helping any. What Infinity ward is proposing is nothing "new," but a giant leap backwards. Any further back, and you will have to connect by typing in the Direct IP like back in the days of Doom Multiplayer. To say that they are uninformed, when they have witnessed this problem time and time again, is not the right thing to say, and will only infuriate them more. - Hugenhold (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable source(s) supporting the proposed edit. AJCham 17:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I've already added two sentences under Development, I think that's enough. Thanks! Fin©™ 19:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

There is a section below dedicated to this issue. - Hugenhold (talk) 22:03, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

ESRB Rating

{{editsemiprotected}} The source for "ESRB: M" should be listed as www.callofduty.com/hub. Also, in the introduction, it should be mentioned that "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" is rated M by the ESRB for Blood, Drug Reference, Intense Violence, and Language. FifthOfNovember (talk) 01:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)FifthOfNovember, 8/9/09

A source for the ESRB rating isn't needed given that the official cover art clearly depicts the rating as M. It is also unnecessary to explain why the game is rated M because Wikipedia's not responsible to serve as a disclaimer for video games with mature content. It is sufficient that the average reader can see that the game is rated M. -- Commdor {Talk} 02:06, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I really do hate edit conflicts! Anyway, the only thing I have to add to Commdor's response is that, unless the reasoning for or result of an "M" rating is notable, listing the various minutiae could be construed as WP:NODISCLAIMERS. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 02:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Name Change

Should we change the name to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, since it's packaged that way and websites around the web are calling it that? Legend6 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC).

Please see the discussion above. Dbrodbeck (talk) 20:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Dual wield handguns confirmed

robert bowling confirmed them in his twitter. i didnt know where to add this into the article. here is the link. http://www.mw2blog.com/go-akimbo-in-modern-warfare-2-with-dual-wield-handguns/Ice (talk) 23:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Make a new section in Gameplay entitled "Weapons" or just add into it. Noneofyour (talk) 02:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

People have done that it gets deleted I wouldnt recommend it The Movie Master 1 (talk) 02:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You got a source and that's that. Why would they delete it? Noneofyour (talk) 03:03, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

look at the section above Should I add a list of weapons confirmed for single-player? somone made a list and it was deleted even with a source The Movie Master 1 (talk) 03:12, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I know but its not like the full list of weapons. Noneofyour (talk) 03:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Then why a section and only mention 1 gun whats the point The Movie Master 1 (talk) 03:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll find a new source of IGN and put it on. Doesn't hurt anything. Noneofyour (talk) 13:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC) Then just add it into the gameplay paragraph. Noneofyour (talk) 03:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

If someone wants to add it in go ahead. Ice (talk) 05:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure the 'source' you cited there is one actually. It is a blog post, summarizing twitter posts. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Kinda Nooby at this discussion thing, He has around about confirmed another perk, dead silence. " Like Dead Silence Perk in COD4. Some say useless, some live by it in Hardcore S&D." Source —Preceding unsigned comment added by DaleIX (talk • contribs) 12:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Remember this is not a forum, it is a place to discuss how to improve the article. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Here is another source that isn't a blog post. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1017882p1.html Ice (talk) 17:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I used the IGN source. Noneofyour (talk) 19:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

There's also a video of dual-wield machine pistols in action, using the Akimbo attachment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0h98xr5-BM

At 5:08, the player picks up and briefly uses the PP-2000 Akimbo.

Here's a video demonstrating Create-a-Class. At 3:46, Akimbo can be seen as one of the attachments on the PP-2000.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH3xI4wSdWM

RYNO123 17:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC) RYNO123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by RYNO123 (talk • contribs)

Too many non-free images

I keep coming on here finding too many non-free images in the article. Last I checked, articles are not photo galleries. Go to WP:NFCC and read bullets 3 and 8, they support my reasoning for removing that latest image, File:Special ops.jpg. A photo of a menu screen is useless in the article because menus do not explain anything important about the game itself. I would like to ask editors to not add any more non-fee images to this article unless they show something absolutely necessary. Adding new images should be discussed on this talk page first. Looking at Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, a featured article, I think we should follow it as an example: CoD4 only has 4 non-free images including the cover, so this article should also be limited to 4 images, which it currently has. If we want to add other images which might be better for readers than the current ones, we should discuss it and then remove a less-quality image so that the total always stays at 4. =/= Ironoclast (Talk) 20:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Prestige Edition

Should it be worth mentioning that the Prestige Edition is no longer avaliable in the UK, because there sold out I think? I forgot the source but if you search on HMV(UK) for MW2 Prestige Edition, the link is broken. 212.183.134.67 (talk) 09:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No I dont think it's sold out before the release. If that's true (somehow from preorders or something), they would restock it anyway. ✰Ffgamera✰ - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 09:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay just thought i'd ask :) 212.183.134.67 (talk) 11:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's EXTREMELY limited stock, once it's gone, it's gone. there won't be many made and when they sell out, that's it. Robert Bowling said it. HMV link being dead doesn't necessarily mean it's sold out in the UK though, if other shops like GAME and GameStop are sold out, then maybe it's sold out in the UK. 89.100.113.253 (talk) 14:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually HMV was the exclusive seller of the Prestige Edition, so I doubt anywhere else are selling it 212.183.136.192 (talk) 17:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Title change debate²

The title is just not correct. No matter what you guys wrote above please read this article carefully.--Dha (talk) 14:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The game discs don't have "Call of Duty" on them. Look at the pictures on the official website.74.215.114.200 (talk) 21:39, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

If this is talking about it Call of Duty again it is, aparently (?) something 80% of American audiences didn't recognise the relation betwen it and call of duty. Some how. If it's not the topic then whoops :) 'The Ninjalemming''

I agree you guys are right there is no sign of any evidence of anything Japanese, though it might be cool but it is unlikely.

Characters - Ghost

Ghost is confirmed as british (http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ghost_is_british.png) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ando3000 (talk • contribs) 19:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Any mention of localization in Japan?

Activision did so before with MW and Square Enix for MW2. Wondering if it should be added or not? Ominae (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Square Enix has announced they are publishing a Japanese version of the game. 98.227.186.160 (talk) 12:55, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

So I would say add it. 98.227.186.160 (talk) 12:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

It's already in there. Look at the info box.74.215.114.200 (talk) 00:08, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Retail Editions

"Modern Warfare 2 will be released in four different retail versions across the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 platforms: standard, Hardened, Veteran, and Prestige." There doesn't seem to be a Veteran Edition.

In that case Veteren must go for now. 'The Ninjalemming'' 19:45, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Veteran edition is only available in the UK

PEGI rating

PEGI has rated 18+ for the Festival du Jeu Video (Paris). This is the game's page of the official guide of the expo: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4236/file0001h.jpg --PhantomT1412 (talk) 16:42, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

That does not automatically mean that the full game for sale in November has been rated by the PEGI in the same way. In fact, it's likely that the PEGI have not rated the final game yet, as it is not currently listed on their website.

For some reason all languages of Wikipedia, except French and German, have 16+ as the rating for PEGI, can anyone clarify why this is? It is probable the full game will receive a 16+, as COD4 is rated 16+ by PEGI. And apparently, unlike COD WAW, according to comments made by Robert Bowling during an interview, Infinity Ward are sticking to what they had originally in COD4 with regards to blood and gore in MW2. There will supposedly be very limited blood and gore, and in COD4, Zakhaev's son shoots himself in the head, there is a firing squad where innocent civilians are killed, etc, and it still managed a 16+. Don't take this as absolute truth, but I think that it's possible that MW2 could get a 16+. Obviously it depends on what else is included in the gameplay and cinematics, and whether blood or gore that may make it into the game is exaggerated.

Although this is all logical, it could be that there are much more intense scenes and that it could be awarded an 18+, but I expect that it's most likely to receive a 16+ going by the logic above. I'm still skeptical about whether the full game has been rated yet by the PEGI.

77.96.200.31 (talk) 17:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC) RYNO123

Online

I was wondering if anyone was to add to it that its just not TDM that has been confirmed - FFA has also been confirmed, it was shown on the multiplayer video revealing the AC-130 gunship that he was playing Free-For All :) Nicolizzio 16:48, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Demolition, Domination, Capture The Flag and Search and Destroy have also all been confirmed by way of video footage, and interviews with Robert Bowling.

77.96.200.31 (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC) RYNO123

Oh... that's new to me. Well can someone add that in with sources because I can't find any. Nicolizzio 13:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolizzio (talk • contribs)

Here's the sources for those gamemodes listed on one handy webpage:

http://modernwarfare247.com/multiplayer/game-modes

On this page you'll see FFA, confirmed by the AC-130 video, CTF and S&D confirmed with links to Robert Bowling interviews, and on the right hand side of the page you'll see links named Demolition and Domination, which link to video footage of gameplay of each mode.

Also, TDM has been confirmed by this video of gameplay, in the map called Afghan. A L86 (w/Bling, RDS and silencer) is used, and UAV Recon, Air Drop (care package) and Predator Missile are seen in action, as well as confirmation of being able to use killstreaks that are still in your inventory, for example you might get a UAV and airdrop instantaneously, like in this video, and you can use the UAV after you've used the airdrop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKjHDwuJJ1I

77.96.200.31 (talk) 17:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC) RYNO123

Right I added it in - but if anyone wants to check it and clean up what I wrote, feel free :) Nicolizzio 17:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolizzio (talk • contribs)

Slightly cleaned up. ;)

RYNO123 17:43, 29 September 2009 (UTC) RYNO123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by RYNO123 (talk • contribs)

Cheers :) I'm not good at writing things on here Nicolizzio 11:24, 30 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolizzio (talk • contribs)

Multiplayer Maps

Afghan^{Gameplay footage available}
Derail
Estate
Favela^{Gameplay footage available}
Highrise^{Gameplay footage available}
Invasion
Quarry
Underpass
Wasteland

Source

PC Release Delayed

http://www.electronictheatre.co.uk/index.php/pc/pc-news/3220-call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2-delayed-on-pc

Lame. DEC42 (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's official, read 402's latest tweet, he hasn't heard of any change. Direct quote: "I know our PC players are anxious for official word. I am as well. I will let you know as soon as I do. I promise. When I left, it was fine." 164.107.91.32 (talk) 23:47, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Name Debate

Confirmed Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 title look at the new game covers!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.123.17 (talk) 22:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

That's not the official name. It's Modern Warfare 2 - the Call Of Duty bit is just there to show that it's the official sequel to Modern Warfare :) Nicolizzio 16:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolizzio (talk • contribs)

Yeah, just look at the comic book series they made for this game. Is there a Call of Duty logo anywhere in that title? No. If the comic is just Modern Warfare 2: Ghost, then why would the game its related to not have the same layout? Not even IW or 402 refer to the game with the COD title in it. 164.107.91.200 (talk) 02:50, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Beta

Betas have been confirmed for the PS3 system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.117.123.17 (talk) 01:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

And your source is? Nicolizzio 16:50, 6 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolizzio (talk • contribs)

This guy's obviously lying. Somebody delete this troll's thread. 164.107.91.200 (talk) 02:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Perks

A lot of perks have come back but a lot have been added. Infinity Ward has also added PRO perks. Theese are normal perks but as you use them you unlock pro perks. A small list may be found on www.modernwarfare247.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt5000matt (talk • contribs) 01:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

How dumb is it

That Wikipedia wont change the title when everywhere else has already changed the title. Activision posted the press release long time ago. But thats not good enough for Wikipedia.

I mean, is there any game in existence where the title was diffrent from what it was packaged as? Stop beign stubborn Wikipedia. 99.236.125.59 (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I think it may be..erm, well i don't know (I actually get annoyed by it myself), it's probably a policy some where or Activsion said they were just going to package it as this and not actual change it's offical name. Even so it should so be debated here (as instant changes will be as instantly reverted. 'The Ninjalemming'' 18:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually see above for name debates. I don't follow this page to much, but will look into it any way. 'The Ninjalemming'' 18:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

The only thing that seems to have changed since the previous discussion is that Activision started referring to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 as a title in its press release three weeks ago, using it interchangeably with Modern Warfare 2, which it still uses. Infinity Ward still prefers Modern Warfare 2. The collector's editions are still Modern Warfare 2. Dancter (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Sales Category?

well, the pre order numbers are already out for modern warfare 2 on various websites. im wondering if i could add a Sales section? revealing the current preorder numbers (2 million +) ?

im gonna add it to the article. any problems and u can just contact me here. --Mark0528 (talk) 23:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Name change help?

I don't understand what the big deal is regarding name changes. All I want is when I type in "MW2" "COD6" or something similar it redirects to the article which is already implememted so why do people want to change the name? --KAPITALIST88 (talk) 00:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

When you type in MW2 or COD6 they both redirect to this article.--Mark0528 (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

No Veteran Edition

No information on the Veteran retail package. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.99.171.11 (talk) 15:26, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Name Change?

I know this topic has already been heavily debated upon but after reading them I'm convinced that the article should be renamed to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.

Numerous people have been citing official people in the way they happened to make mention of the game. The official name of the game appears to be Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. They have both of the names listed on the call of duty website (modern warfare 2 & call of duty: modern warfare 2). But seeing as how its part of the call of duty series, and how its the sequel of call of duty 4, why not put the call of duty prefix before it? It would better identify it as a sequel of call of duty 4 and the fact that its part of the call of duty series. It's also written on the box the game comes in. The most probable reason it says Modern Warfare 2 on the discs is probably because maybe they were already printing the discs and halfway through that they decided to change the name but realized it was too late? --Mark0528 (talk) 20:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

It's marketed as Call of Duty, but I'm fairly sure Infinity Ward considers it Modern Warfare 2. There was a discussion about this ages ago, it's in the talk page archives I'd assume. I don't think "they were already printing the discs" is a reason a company would change a game's name. Thanks! Fin©™ 22:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes...I know there has been a discussion on this before, I said that in my post above and I have read it. And your misunderstanding what I said. I saw some people in previous discussion claim that it should be called Modern Warfare 2 BECAUSE the name of the game on the discs is "Modern Warfare 2". My point being that the reason the discs say that is because the name change only came a few months ago, possibly when the discs were already being manufactured with the previous name. And I'm pretty sure the game's name has been officially changed to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. If one IW staff member calls it "modern warfare 2" it could be out of mere convenience. Since "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" is a bit long to say. The article should be renamed with the call of duty prefix. And Modern Warfare 2 should be used as stated above. --Mark0528 (talk) 22:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

If you read the discussion and the various sources carefully enough, you would understand that it wasn't a matter of abbreviation for convenience, and it wasn't simply about preferences of individuals. Dancter (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I already read them once, I have re read them to better understand your point. My opinion is unchanged. Most specifically, you referring to the game discs being labeled as Modern Warfare 2 without the call of duty logo. Can you answer me why is it called "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" at the opening to the official call of duty website if it is NOT the official name?--Mark0528 (talk) 23:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

I changed it back for the second time because the official call of duty website has the title "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" as its headline on the front page of their website. Can you get a more official source than that? I don't see why you would revert it back to its previous name when that is in fact incorrect. They added the Call of Duty logo for a reason. It better identifies it with the call of duty series, and as a direct sequel to call of duty 4. The most likely reason Infinity Ward mentions it as "Modern Warfare 2" is because its much easier to say than saying the full name with the call of duty prefix. --Mark0528 (talk) 02:57, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I fail to understand your repeated emphasis on having read the material, given that you continue to demonstrate an ignorance of some of the content. Why do you persist in the unsupported "easier to say" argument, when multiple editors have cited sources explaining Infinity Ward's stance? Let me be clear: I am open to a page move. You were starting to make a good case, but your comments have since devolved to divination of primary sources and misrepresentation of previous arguments. I don't recall ever arguing on the basis of the game disc labels. I already touched upon somewhat the recent shift on the part of both companies, which wasn't the case back in July. I never ruled out an eventual name change,[7] which I shouldn't have to point out, since you read everything twice. Part of my argument then was that companies do not deliberately avoid making direct statements the way they did just because. Dancter (talk) 17:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't recall ever accusing you of arguing on the basis of the game disc labels. I merely stated that people have brought that up in the past as a reason that the official name was Modern Warfare 2 without the prefix. The game is part of the call of duty franchise. It should have the call of duty prefix, as it is a sequel to call of duty 4. --Mark0528 (talk) 18:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

"Most specifically, you referring to the game discs being labeled as Modern Warfare 2 without the call of duty logo." If you meant "you," as in "you all," then it was very poor phrasing, especially after leading off the sentence with "most specifically," which would indicate that what follows is not so broad and general. Dancter (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I apologize, I just looked at it again for the third time and just realized that that post was from an unregistered user. I saw your signature below it and didnt see the unregistered users signature so I thought it was you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.--Mark0528 (talk) 21:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I mean...to me it seems very obvious that the official name is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. It says so at the entrance to the call of duty website. http://www.callofduty.com/hub And there are other links that show that the name has indeed been changed. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6213177.html

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/consumer/name-change-is-game-changer-for-modern-warfare-2/--Mark0528 (talk) 23:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The gamespot post is from July, we discussed this after then. The third link there is a 404. If you can find a reliable source that is another matter. Dbrodbeck (talk) 01:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I just said...Why is it called "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2" at the opening to the official call of duty website if its not the official name?--Mark0528 (talk) 02:22, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Until there is consensus please stop moving the page. Dbrodbeck (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Uhm why not change it back? There need not be consensus if the "consensus" has clearly been proven wrong. I cited my source. I don't see yours?--Mark0528 (talk) 02:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

We have a number of editors that have voiced their opinion based on sources on a number of occasions. So, please wait for consensus. I would be happy either way, I think procedure ought to be followed is all. Dbrodbeck (talk) 03:14, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind waiting for consensus, but I have already cited my source, which is official. The Call of Duty website includes the call of duty prefix with the Modern Warfare 2 name on their front page. --Mark0528 (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Disputes over what is "proven" or "wrong" are resolved through building consensus. The Call of Duty website isn't the main site for the game. Your continued focus on this particular line of argument ignores much of the other previous discussion, and how it developed. It called for explicit, authoritative statements from the company in formal releases or reliable secondary sources. Arguing on the basis of the Call of Duty website is almost the same as arguing based on box art or disc labels, which are also official. It proves nothing. It's a shame, actually. You probably could have had my support already had you directed your energies at different approach. Dancter (talk) 17:38, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a shame actually, that your too stubborn to believe your wrong. When the game was announced, yes they referred to it as Modern Warfare 2. But, when the game was changed with the call of duty prefix, most still called it modern warfare 2. It is more convenient to say it without the prefix, as the saying it with the prefix is a bit of a mouthful. As for an official statement :

Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 is the direct sequel to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. We have focused our attention on Modern Warfare in order to most effectively communicate the fact that this is the first true sequel in the Call of Duty series. Infinity Ward, the original creators of the Call of Duty franchise, has said from the beginning Modern Warfare 2 resides in the Call of Duty universe. This is reflected in the title's package.

They continuously refer to it being the sequel of call of duty 4. It would be appropriate to add the prefix to better identify it as a sequel and that it lies in the call of duty franchise, that is why they re added the prefix. Not only that, but they also announced they were to re add the prefix to the game. --Mark0528 (talk) 18:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Please don't make personal attacks. I'd be against adding the prefix, as as far as I'm concerned, it was only added for marketing reasons, as noted in the quote above. Thanks! Fin©™ 19:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it was added for marketing purposes, but it was added nonetheless. That doesn't change the fact that it IS part of the call of duty franchise, and a sequel of call of duty 4. It would be appropriate to add the prefix for those reasons. --Mark0528 (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Those reasons were not the ones I was objecting to. Dancter (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned back then, the statement was very careful not to state that the name was changed to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, despite the fact that it would've been much simpler to do so. Instead, what was presented were months of amphilogisms coming from both companies. Dancter (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I have found a new article published by Kotaku in their interview of Infinity Ward community manager Robert Bowling. Published September 21, 2009 http://kotaku.com/5364636/one-day-infinity-ward-will-do-something-other-than-call-of-duty "A lot of that mentality went into Modern Warfare 2. That's why it's Modern Warfare 2. It is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, but you'll never see that in game. We never call it that. It's because we think of this as a new IP. This is our Modern Warfare 2 game. So we are constantly doing new stuff." They prefer to call it Modern Warfare 2, just out of their preference it seems. They even stated the game IS Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. --Mark0528 (talk) 19:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Note the date on the article. Then note the time and content of the original discussion. Before mid-September, there were no such direct admissions. Also note the use of the royal "we," referring to Infinity Ward as a company. Dancter (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I have taken notice of them. I am uncertain if your agreeing with my suggestion to change the name of this article or against it. --Mark0528 (talk) 21:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Name change per WP:COMMONNAME

I'm creating a sub-section here because this section is so cluttered. I'm actually gonna come in and agree with Mark on this one. I think that even if the game is called "Modern Warfare 2" within the circle of its creators, it's quite obvious that it is being marketed as "Call of Duty: Modern Warefare 2". It looks odd to have the Infobox state "Modern Warefare 2" at the top, yet have the image of the game say "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2". I would support renaming the article to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 based on both WP:COMMONNAME and the fact that the actual official packaging states this. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 20:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:COMMONNAME seems perfectly reasonable. My preference for an updated citation would be the Zampella interview at Joystiq. Dancter (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. Note that in that interview, The Empire Strikes Back is noted as a similar example, and the Wiki article for that movie is Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, even though most of its movie posters omit the "Star Wars" prefix. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 20:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your guys support. And Dancter, are you talking about this one? http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/16/interview-modern-warfare-2s-vince-zampella/ --Mark0528 (talk) 21:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I can't say that I completely agree with you, Mark. Although I see your reasoning, WP:COMMONNAME wants us to use the common name. I believe that the common name in use for this game is Modern Warfare 2, not Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Most people know it actually as Modern Warfare 2, not with the "Call of Duty" moniker attached to it. If were up to me, I'd keep it the same, but I can't make that decision by myself without starting some kind of edit war. This is what I believe, but I guess I can't stop people from changing it if you reach a consensus to do that. Razr95 (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree with mark. The Infinity Ward community manager has stated that while the game is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, they (IW) never call it that. The games creators choose not to call it that. Even though the official name does include the call of duty prefix. Just as CIS has mentioned with the star wars article, people commonly call it "the empire strikes back" but the official name remains with the star wars episode V prefix. Similarly, the modern warfare 2 game is used in this context, although officially it does include the call of duty prefix. --Kuroi namida xx (talk) 00:30, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

This is a tough one. I see it called Modern Warfare, for example, on xbox live (downloading trailers etc). I wonder if the common name too is not Modern Warfare. I could be convince, but I am not yet. Dbrodbeck (talk) 00:48, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

CIS and namida seem to correctly explain my point. Maybe in everyday conversation, if you were talking to your friend about it you would call it "modern warfare 2" but the official name would still include the call of duty prefix. That is what they did for the star wars article. --Mark0528 (talk) 01:01, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

How is this even up for debate? The name is "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", end of story. "Modern Warfare 2" is little more than shorthand (like how many people refer to "Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Sever Stars" as just "Super Mario RPG"). Besides being on the box and the logo, the developer of the game says that is the name, the publisher says that is the name. "Modern Warfare 2" was nothing more than the working name. End of story, the article should be moved back ASAP. MW2 is not the name of the game and is only used when people don't want to say the full name (which is common in games: "Halo", "Vice City", "San Andreas", "Dragon Quest VIII", "Super Mario RPG", etc.). As others have said, the same thing happens with the Star Wars movies (and other movies), fans and sometimes even the producers of something will not always use the full name when referring to something. TJ Spyke 22:47, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't believe that's a fair analogy. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas was never announced simply as "San Andreas". The game disc doesn't simply say "San Andreas". Official media doesn't refer to it simply as "San Andreas". A counter-analogy would be the Wario Land games - the first one was billed as a sequel to a previous Super Mario Land game, but subsequent titles weren't. Modern Warfare 2's official website refers to it as exactly that, aside from graphics that indicate its connection to the Call of Duty franchise. In my opinion the evidence that finally seals the name of the game is that Xbox Live's system shows the game's official name as Modern Warfare 2. http://kotaku.com/5373544/looks-like-modern-warfare-2s-gone-gold People playing the final, gold version of the game on XBL have it show up as Modern Warfare 2 on their profiles - NOT as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. This isn't simply a case of contraction for convenience. I reckon that enough evidence can be gathered from the fact that the title ascribed to the game by official media, press releases and now Xbox Live is Modern Warfare 2. Kflester (talk) 14:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree. In my opinion, the official name is Modern Warfare 2, with only select references calling it Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (Activision pushing the franchise side). Thanks! Fin©™ 14:27, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the san andreas analogy being a bad source of reference. But Microsoft's xbox live service wouldn't be an official source for the naming of this game. Seeing as how microsoft does not own activision nor infinity ward. Activision owns infinity ward and by that being said what Activision says basically overrides what infinity ward says seeing as how they are the parent company. And Activision and Infinity Ward have both stated that the official name DOES indeed include the prefix. The fact is that while people refer to the game as modern warfare 2 that is simply the shorthand form. Infinity Ward has acknowledged that by even saying that they prefer not to call it that but that the game is called COD: MW2. I posted this link earlier : http://kotaku.com/5364636/one-day-infinity-ward-will-do-something-other-than-call-of-duty --Mark0528 (talk) 19:47, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Microsoft not owning the publisher nor the developer is nothing to do with this - the developers set the IDs for games themselves. Were it called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, the name of the game displayed by the system would indicate this. When the developer, packaging, press material, community, and official site - the only text reference to Call of Duty on MW2's website is to it being a followup to COD4; the Call of Duty logo graphic is otherwise present for purposes of brand association - all refer to it by the same name, it's simple to assume it's the actual title. At any rate, I am certain this issue will be buried once and for all on the game's release date, when people will see their PS3 XMB and 360 dashboard referring to it without the Call of Duty brand. Kflester (talk) 23:31, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, here is final confirmation of the game's title being "Modern Warfare 2", completely devoid of the Call of Duty prefix: http://investor.activision.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=373355 A press release from Activision, demonstrating that both the publisher AND the developer refer to it as "Modern Warfare 2". I don't see why this is a debate anymore. Kflester (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

That's not the final confirmation. Your reference is invalid. It was published March 26, 2009. That was during the initial announcement of the game's name. Which has subsequently had several press conferences stating that they were to re add the prefix. --Mark0528 (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Could you please provide a link to a press release confirming the name change? Kflester (talk) 00:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

But of course. Enjoy. http://kotaku.com/5364636/one-day-infinity-ward-will-do-something-other-than-call-of-duty --Mark0528 (talk) 00:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

And I only stated the thing with Microsoft because you used it as a crucial part of your reasoning to come to the conclusion that it "finally seals the name of the game". When in fact Microsoft really doesn't have a say in this. Microsoft cannot name their (IW's) product. In much the same way you cannot name someone else's child. --Mark0528 (talk) 00:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

And what about this? [8] and this? [9] ӣicҟin\\talk with me\\\\\\\\\\ 00:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to say to that. It appears the publisher has contradicted itself. They announced the game would include the call of duty prefix before, yet on their website they have it listed as modern warfare 2. This only lead's me to believe that the company has made a mistake. Either when they publicly announced that they were to change the name, or that they simply forgot to update the website with the call of duty prefix. The game's creators prefer to call it modern warfare 2 on a personal level and acknowledge that it is called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. I see that you have failed to acknowledge my post just above though? I also have a legitimate source claiming otherwise. --Mark0528 (talk) 00:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you download the 15 KB factsheet on that first link that says "8" it states otherwise. The company clearly contradicts itself on the official naming. It has the title of the document as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. --Mark0528 (talk) 00:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ur, so going by WP:COMMONNAME, should it be Modern Warfare 2 on its own? I'm not denying that the official official name has the Call of Duty prefix, I'm just saying that if the developers don't include it anywhere in the game, and considering the article is about the game itself, then I don't think that should be the title. Thanks! Fin©™ 22:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Just read the intro again, I think it's fine as it is ("packaged as Call of Duty etc"), because that's exactly what it is. The game is Modern Warfare 2, but the packaging says Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 . Thanks! Fin©™ 22:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Accordong to wikipedia commonname the name should be easily recognizable by reader and unambiguous. With that said i seem to recall a study that showed that merely having the name Modern Warfare 2 significantly lowered brand awareness, consumers were unaware that the game was indeed part of the call of duty franchise. It is therefore advisable to add the prefix to make it easily recognizable and unambiguous to readers. And as for the game discs and in game menu's not showing the prefix, the name change came during mid to late july when the discs for modern warfare 2 were most likely already in production. While it may not be written on the game discs or in the games programming itself, the company's that made the game have stated that the game includes the call of duty prefix. --Mark0528 (talk) 22:20, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think the title Modern Warfare 2 is "easily recognizable and unambiguous", what are they going to confuse it with? Indeed, the study you refer to said people didn't realise MW2 was the next Call of Duty franchise game, not that they didn't know what MW2 was. No, the game only went gold recently (according to a kotaku post I read somewhere), so the discs are probably only being pressed now. Again, no, the company that made the game doesn't include Call of Duty anywhere, they consider it fresh IP. The company that publishes the game does (but only on the packaging). Thanks! Fin©™ 22:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Well I also think the title Modern Warfare 2 is "easily recognizable and unambiguous". But that's just me. It does not, however, appear to be easily recognizable and unambiguous to the average joe which is what that study was highlighting. They knew it was a first person shooter game yes, but not that it was part of the call of duty franchise. The company that publishes the game also happens to own the company. They've stated that the game was to re issue the call of duty name tag for the sake of the franchise and I believe what activision says would most likely override what Infinity Ward says. --Mark0528 (talk) 23:18, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

We have already come to agreement that this article is going to be named Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Someone recently just changed it back to the shorthand form "Modern Warfare 2". I'm going to re add it. --Mark0528 (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

As I mentioned previously, I am happy with the name either way, but I do not see that a consensus had been built for a change in the name. Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Move protected.

File an WP:RM rather than flip-flopping over COD:MW2 and MW2. Cheers, –xeno^talk 15:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Angry PC Users Debate

Robert Bowling, also known as Fourzerotwo, who is the community manager of Infinity Ward, head moderator of the Infinity Ward forum, and the person who also "tweets" information about Modern Warfare 2 had a legitimate interview with a Call of Duty based news site, BASHandSlash.

The director's cut version has a length of 70 mins, majority of it talking with Robert Bowling, who at the time is in Amsterdam. Robert Bowling does confirm that there will be no beta for the PC, even though download sites such as File planet were promoting a "beta" version. He also confirms that there will be no delay in the release of the PC version, which would have had the PC version released on November 24th. Then he also discusses about the features of the PC version, of which he mentioned were no dedicated servers, mostly steam integration, using VAC instead of Punkbuster, no modification tools, or mod tools, (sometimes referred to as developer tools, or Dev tools), and everyone will be connected through IW.NET as listen servers. If you play console versions of most games, or the PC Left 4 Dead, this is pretty much the same concept except there will be no hosting server, everyone is connected on a Peer 2 Peer basis. He made another point during the webcast, which also helps another discussion on this talk page, that Modern Warfare 2 is actually called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. Infinity Ward just calls it Modern Warfare 2 as a label within the company, it will not be sold that way.

When he had announced this, thousands of PC gamers did create a commotion about the announcement. The users voiced their opinions on the forum of Infinity Ward, which is the developer corporation of Modern Warfare 2 AND moderated by Robert Bowling who was mentioned before as Fourzerotwo. The first thread reached over 1,200 of legitimate posts before a moderator deleted it because of "flame wars" between console gamers and PC gamers. There is now a new post started with links to an online petition(I know those are not really reliable)which is said to be at about 17,000 signed users, and the article linking to the webcast that had the interview with Robert Bowling.

Usually Robert will tweet about new information, but as mentioned before, he was in Amsterdam at a convention before he had to attend the webcast for the interview. At the moment, I can not look at his twitter account due to time outs to the server. However, his twitter account has been used as a source on this wiki entry under the "title" section.

If you look at the history, I have attempted to make the entry twice, with a better version on the second try. However, there are people deleting the entry entirely claiming that there are no reliable sources.

1. Let me refer you to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#Are_web_forums_and_blog_talkbacks_reliable_sources.3F
It states that forums moderated by a reliable organization, in this case Infinity Ward, can be considered a reliable source. As stated before, the posts are being moderated by the community manager and the developers of Infinity Ward. The use of the forum as a source was to note the response of the PC fanbase. It had nothing to do with what was actually reported from Robert Bowling.

2. Most of the websites reporting this information come off of the webcast interview with Robert Bowling. The WP:SPS claims that even though majority of the sources are not deemed reliable, there are some occasions where they can be verifiable. All of the interviewers in the webcast are greatly involved with the Call of Duty series, whether they would be a modification expert to the game, or a player who is currently working with Treyarch on making a video stream client for Call of Duty: World at War. Not to mention they are talking to the community manager of Infinity Ward as mentioned before. There were three sources linking to this interview on the entry, one was the original webcast, another was a director's cut of the webcast, and the third was a summary of the interview. Since then a couple of other sites have talked about the webcast as well. As of now, I still can not get onto Robert Bowling's twitter.

Below are links talking about the announcement made by Robert Bowling.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799 - Original Webcast
http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=746&Itemid=69 - Director's Cut Webcast
http://bashandslash.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=745&Itemid=111 - Summary of Webcast
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121918 - First post on Infinity Ward forum which was deleted due to flame wars.
http://www.infinityward.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123824 - New post on Infinity Ward
http://www.fragland.net/news/Modern-Warfare-2-gets-crippled-PC-multiplay/21445/ - Fragland.net
http://worthplaying.com/article/2009/10/18/news/69454/ - Worthplaying.com
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/18/modern-warfare-2-pc-wont-support-dedicated-servers/ - Joystiq
http://www.destructoid.com/mw2-not-delayed-on-pc-will-not-have-dedicated-servers-152335.phtml - Destructoid
http://kotaku.com/5384057/new-modern-warfare-matchmaking-service-will-definitely-reshape-pc-community - Kotaku

Discuss if you will. — Hugenhold (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I added a sentence based on Joystiq's article. Thanks! Fin©™ 18:13, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The petition that I was talking about earlier has made news on a couple of sites. Even though it is not as legitimate as a real petition, it has still grown faster than any previous online petition toward games. Last night it was at about 700 signed users, now it has hit 35,000.

http://kotaku.com/5384364/modern-warfare-2-server-petition--sigh--at-21000-sigs-and-counting - Kotaku with a link to the petition
http://news.zergwatch.com/2009/10/18/modern-warfare-2-server-petition-sigh-at-21000-sigs-and-counting-petition/
—Hugenhold (talk) 23:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

It's now at over 55000 Total Signatures. Unsourced rumour that more than half of the PC pre-orders have been cancelled —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.6.20 (talk) 09:44, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

More sites reporting the petition and PC response.
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,697637/Call-of-Duty-Modern-Warfare-2-Steam-required-and-no-more-dedicated-servers-or-mods/News/ - PC Games Hardware
http://www.gamersnexus.net/component/content/article/47-newsfront1/221-iw-silences-community - Gamers Nexus
— Hugenhold (talk) 18:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Gamespy has come out slugging:
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/call-of-duty-6/1036293p1.html The petition is now nearing 100,000 signatures, it's currently at 80,489. --4.248.62.35 (talk) 00:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Post the text about this, it's a legitimate point that has many sources.--125.236.135.167 (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Apparently it has gotten so bad that even MTV.com reported it.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/10/19/lack-of-modern-warfare-2-servers-for-pc-multiplayer-mode-sparks-petition/ -MTV
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25691 - Gamasutra
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/12078-modern-warfare-2-loses-dedicated-servers-mod-support/ - Neoseeker
http://www.gamedaily.com/games/modern-warfare-2/xbox-360/game-features/lack-of-dedicated-servers-in-modern-warfare-2-pc-causes-massive-petition-signing/ - GameDaily
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/60933 - Fileshack News Section
Petition at about 103,000 — Hugenhold (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Two developers and Rob Downing respond.
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/20/modern-warfare-2-dedicated-server-response.aspx - Game Informer
http://www.fourzerotwo.com/?p=745 - 402's Website (Community Manager for Infinity Ward)
110,026 — Hugenhold (talk) 21:34, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=225744&site=pcg - PC Gamer Editor signs the petition, and encourages others to do so.
Hugenhold (talk) 22:35, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested Move

Modern Warfare 2 → Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 — - [The Call of duty prefix is part of the official name. Using just Modern Warfare 2 is merely the shorthand form of the game's name. By adding the call of duty prefix it better identifies that the game is in fact part of the call of duty franchise and a direct sequel to call of duty 4. Infinity Ward has clearly stated that the game is in fact COD: MW2 but that they never call it that. http://kotaku.com/5364636/one-day-infinity-ward-will-do-something-other-than-call-of-duty ] --Mark0528 (talk) 19:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Just pointing out for admins reviewing this - there's an ongoing discussion, and previous consensus to keep the current name. Thanks! Fin©™ 22:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Read the rest of the discussion - This has been an issue for quite some time, and the current consensus is that Modern Warfare 2 is the official title and not shorthand, as evidenced by the title on the disc, the title on the special editions of the game, the title on the game's website, the title on the game's trailers and other press material and the title it was initially announced with. Kflester (talk) 23:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

It has been an issue, but contrary to what Kflester has said a consensus on the currently on going discussion has not yet been met. Note that you state "initially announced with". Are you implying that the game's title has since changed to add the prefix? The special editions of the game may have the modern warfare 2 name on their covers, but for just the plain game for $60 that most will be buying, the game cover states Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. As for the website, the website lists both names, with the intro to the website showing the call of duty prefix. Press material seems to be split calling it both names. http://pc.ign.com/articles/103/1032992p1.html --Mark0528 (talk) 23:25, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The BBFC rating of the game says that the game name is "Modern Warfare 2", without the "Call of Duty" prefix.[10] ӣicҟin\\talk with me\\\\\\\\\\ 23:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The BBFC merely rates the game. They may call it what they want, but the decision on what to name the game comes down to Activision and Infinity Ward. --Mark0528 (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that the different ratings organizations don't always use the correct name (it's vexxing checking the ESRB site and then having to search to see what game they mean). TJ Spyke 04:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Support The OFFICIAL name is "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2". Both the developer and publisher confirm this. This is an easy decision and one I would be shocked if anyone disagrees (because those people are saying that the people who actually MAKE AND OWN the game are wrong). TJ Spyke 04:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support - The game's own package uses it, as well as high-profile sites such as IGN and GS. Really, this shouldn't even be up for discussion, IMO. --Torsodog^Talk 04:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Support - the game's name officially seems to be Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, so the article should bare the same name, with redirects as appropriate. AirRaidPatrol 84 (talk) 07:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Support things like this should be called by their full proper name.  rdunnalbatross  10:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose - Activision tacked on the CoD prefix to the packaging of the normal edition to raise brand awareness. The name does not feature in the game or any other packaging. Thanks! Fin©™ 10:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Still don't think it's correct, but no longer oppose. Thanks! Fin©™ 12:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose per Falcon. Dbrodbeck (talk) 11:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Comment - the Activision website simply stats "Modern Warfare 2" as the name. But if the "Call of Duty" prefix was really added back, then the page should be moved to its correct name. ӣicҟin\\talk with me\\\\\\\\\\ 11:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support - the game is called "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2", that's all there is to it. I don't see the argument here. Gpia7r (talk) 12:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support - Look, it is a Call of Duty game. Rob Downing said in an interview, the same one that leaked info about the PC, that they called it just "Modern Warfare 2" as an inside name. It has nothing to do with what it is named on the box, in game, or in marketing. It is officially called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. What the hell is the problem with that? Like mentioned in the other arguments about the name, it is like taking the Star Wars Episode V out of the Empire Strikes Back. If you consider this to be named as just Modern Warfare 2, you would have to go back to everything else that has a similar prefix and remove it because that is the kind of statement you are making.

It's not the kind of statement I'm making anyway - I'm not aware of any other case where a prefix was added to a game by a publisher and subsequently ignored by the developer. And since you mention it, it's actually called Modern Warfare 2 in the game, making no references to Call of Duty. Thanks! Fin©™ 18:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Support You know, the last nail on the coffin would probably be this link right here, although your required to download this 15 kilobyte Factsheet for the game. It's under acitivions website for the game. And inside the factsheet it has the title as Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. http://www.activision.com/index.html#presscenter%7Cen_US%7Ctype:content_games&id:pressmaterial_CODMW2.xml--Mark0528 (talk) 21:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support It's as correct as the fact that Wikipedia is called Wikipedia.--Krazycev 13 21:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Support per various points already made. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 21:38, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• Strong Support - Official game name is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, I don´t think we need something more than that to rename this article. --EllsworthSK (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Yea this definently needs to be Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, I dont see why it isnt already. ~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefatmonkey (talk • contribs) 01:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Support - Per official name and points made above.--TaerkastUA (Talk) 14:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose - The comic that goes along with this video game doesn't have the CoD prefix in it. The comic is named after the game, so therefore CoD shouldn't be in the title here. 164.107.91.19 (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • This article is about the game, not the comic. That means the article is named after the game. The comic (which is Modern Warfare 2: Ghost) is a prequel. The comic has its own article, so it has no bering on the game (which all official sources say includes "Call of Duty" in the name). TJ Spyke 18:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • This is honestly a ridiculously argument. What the comic is called has nothing to do with what the game is called. IGN, GameSpot, GameSpy, 1up, game informer, gamerankings, and metacritic all refer to the game with the CoD prefix. The game is called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. --Torsodog^Talk 18:24, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • This is honestly a weak subject to base your opinion off of. It's the comic book....not the game. --Mark0528 (talk) 19:14, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

MW2 Acronym

MW2 redirect should not go here. MW2 has meant MechWarrior2 for 15 years now and people do still actually play MW2. The name of this game is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2

MW2 should redirect to MechWarrior2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chapel976 (talk • contribs) 20:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

MechWarrior 2 was viewed 6,374 times last month and Modern Warfare 2 was viewed over 350,000 times. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. –xeno^talk 20:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, this game is about to be released and is getting a ton of press. That is probably skewering the results. TJ Spyke 14:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think that's a good reason. The abbreviation should remain with the original, or go to a disambig page. Think of it this way: You work for a company for 15 years, and you've become known as "JR" (your initials) casually. Some new kid comes in with the same initials, and everyone starts calling him "JR" and goes back to calling you by your name. Is that fair?

I know it's a silly example... but Mech Warrior had it first. Especially being a sequel, it seems more fitting to give the abbreviation to the first game that used it. Either way, this game is still COD:MW2, just like COD:MW, just like COD:WaW. "MW2" is FAR too loosely attached to this title, and used too casually to make it a redirect. Gpia7r (talk) 14:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Our goal is to get readers as quickly as possible to where they want to go. Right now it's clear people typing "MW2" into the search box are most likely looking for Modern Warfare 2. Those that are looking for MechWarrior 2 are only a click away. Disambiguation page is no good, see WP:2DAB. A disambig page would make all of the readers typing MW2 make an extra click, as it stands now, only a relative handful will need to make an extra click to get to MechWarrior 2. I also note that MechWarrior 2 never used the MW2 acronym as a redirect [11], so the "MechWarrior 2 had it first" argument rings hollow. –xeno^talk 15:01, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

That shut me up. Serves me right for assuming the original person to bring this up knew what they were talking about. I assumed with how they worded it, it was the redirect up to now. Gpia7r (talk) 15:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't sweat it. –xeno^talk 15:23, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Proprietary server?

IW.net is not a server, it's a matchmaking service. All of the games will be peer to peer, not client/server. Read the first few paragraphs: http://www.edge-online.com/news/infinity-ward-responds-to-100k-strong-modern-warfare-2-pc-petition 67.193.109.219 (talk) 04:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

PC version specs

Go to town: http://pc.ign.com/articles/103/1038318p1.html 164.107.91.19 (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Archive?

Anyone planning on archiving this page soon, before the game is released and it gets flooded here? 164.107.91.19 (talk) 17:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, I for one don't know how to do that, I think its best to leave that for an admin. --Mark0528 (talk) 19:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I've set auto-archiving for anything 14d or older. Thanks, –xeno^talk 19:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

This isn't the sixth installment of the call of duty series

There have been well over 10 games, and the numbering scheme stopped at call of duty four. This game is not called call of duty 6, and it is not the 6th game in the series. The only people who think that are the ones who never played until call of duty 4, and think that there are no other games in the franchise other than 4 and world at war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.93.144 (talk) 18:38, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you want to be extremely literal, I guess its not the 6th installment. But I think its referring to the 6th major title in the series. There have been various other call of duty titles, but they're more like side titles. They didn't have major releases like cod4, 5, or mw2 as far as I'm aware. --Mark0528 (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes... This is the 6th game. there have been expansions but not more games. Littlefatmonkey (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2009 (UTC)