User talk:Jfdwolff/Archive 33

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Asbestos and the law

Hello again JDW, I just made some minor changes on Asbestos and the law. As we've discussed this subject in the past, I'd be most grateful if you'd take a look and see what you think. Thanks, Wikityke 23:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)~.

Some of your prior edits on the reference sections seem to have changed the numbering of these items. Wikityke 00:09, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Akiva Eger

[Eger] [Eiger] see this from google book search (note, it doesn't come up with any results with Eiger) Yellowmellow45 18:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Akiva Egers family tree written up by an old relative

Yellowmellow45 16:25, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I sent an email enquiring about the correct spelling to the Leo Baek Institute and received the following reply.

Dear Mr. Koehne,

thank you for your email.

The spelling found in the authority headings of the Library of Congress, which are used by US libraries in their catalogs, is as follows:

Eger, Akiva ben Moses Guens, 1761-1837

This is also the spelling we use in our catalog.

Sincerely,

Viola Voss

Yellowmellow45 15:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Narcissism

I don't see any problem there but two rookie editors that seem to have got into it. Anyhow, I did respond at the article's talk page. I think people that delete stuff like that should get a vandalism warning, because they should know better. BUt I don't see any policy problems, just a little ego bruising on the 6-anon guy. I left him a note on his page, so maybe he'll cool down. --DanielCD 20:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Errata: I meant the 8-anon guy. User talk:82.195.137.125. --DanielCD 20:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Per the article talk page:

1. Why is Samvak using a sock puppet account? If he's editing and not signed in, it's still a sock puppet.
2. What is the deal with you asking for a Civility alert? Tedious? The two comments you've made in this entire discussion doesn't seem like something I'd call tedious.

--DanielCD 21:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

"it wasn't unsigned, the anon interspersed his comment!"

Well, it was nice of you to inform me of that. What else could one assume from "those were my words". I think the lack of communication, followed by odd and somewhat cryptic comments, is in itself somewhat uncivil. Whatever is going on here, I'm finished with this. --DanielCD 22:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

RK's request for Mediation

What happens now with the request for mediation, since RK hasn't made any edits since December 6, and most of the issues on chabad are resolved? --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:30, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I have removed the paragraph "relationship between God, the Rebbe and his followers"as per discussion. What happens now with the request for mediation? --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 15:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Speedy

See Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Speedy [1] for ANOTHER vote to rename the following. Thank you, IZAK 12:55, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh --> Category:Tanakh

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh events --> Category:Tanakh events

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh people --> Category:Tanakh people

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh places --> Category:Tanakh places

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh prophets --> Category:Tanakh prophets

Category:Hebrew Bible/Tanakh-related stubs --> Category:Tanakh stubs

Category:Jewish texts/Ketuvim --> Category:Ketuvim

Category:Jewish texts/Nevi'im --> Category:Nevi'im

Mormonism and Judaism

Just as a heads up, I moved Talk:Mormonism and Judaism. to Talk:Mormonism and Judaism to match your move of the main article.

I also speedied the resulting Mormonism and Judaism. → Mormonism and Judaism redirect as per WP:CSD, R3 (recently created implausible typos), and speedied the talk page redirect as well.

Felt you'd wish to know. If you feel any of these actions were in error, please let me know.

All the best.
→ Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 14:11, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Thx, hadn't noticed that the talk page hadn't moved. JFW | T@lk 15:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Introduction of Orthodox Judaism

An editor has raised what I think is a valid point about the Introduction of the Orthodox Judaism article; would you mind taking a look? Talk:Orthodox_Judaism#Introduction Jayjg ^(talk) 18:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Thank you for nominating me, I have accepted and answered the questions. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 01:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:V citations

You may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Citation format poll: Format of citations and WP:V examples, and WP:FN. (SEWilco 08:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC))

Your comments would be welcome at Treatment Advocacy Center

The Treatment Advocacy Center page is now protected. Your comments would be welcome.--24.55.228.56 14:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Already done, dear 24.55.228.56. JFW | T@lk 14:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Images

hello dr. wolff. i am also a doctor and have been looking wide and far for hiv images. (there are few). the link i posted is commercial yes, but they offer all the images on their site license free. (http://3dscience.com/biomedical_animation_free_medical_image_clip_art.asp). if you're really a collegue, you might want to take a closer look before you "pull the deletion trigger". 83.224.64.9 (talk · contribs)

These images links have recently been added to numerous articles without discussion of their merit. I'm not sure why you think there's a point in appealing to my collegiality. I treat similar requests similarly, independent of the credentials of the poster. What Wikipedia needs is a licence to put these in articles, not a convoluted way of discovering that some images are not free at all[2]. JFW | T@lk 15:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I have contacted the owners of 3DScience.com. Here is their response: "Wikipedia is a valuable internet community resource. We would be happy to provide any low-res image (what you can see on the site) from 3DScience.com for use in Wikipedia articles. If you have any further questions, please contact bryan@zygote.com. Thanks for your interest and sharing our vision."

Did you discuss the kind of licence this would come under? We have the GNU Free Documentation Licence, PD and others. Under the GFDL the source will be aknowledged, which would include an URL to the originating site, regardless of the type of licence. JFW | T@lk 21:21, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Jfdwolff is hereby awarded this Barnstar as late recognition for all his brilliant contributions to Wikipedia.

!מזל טוב

from Izehar.

Thanks Izehar, I'm honoured. In what sense is this "late recognition"? JFW | T@lk 17:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Alcoholism

Understood! I figured that I should add the tag BEFORE any changes were made, that way other members could share their point of view on the change, but I will just change it in the future. Thanks! Kntrabssi 18:03, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks again for your help! Kntrabssi 18:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ingrown nail

I'm curious why you reverted an anonymous editor's removal of a double period on the Ingrown nail article. --Lucent 01:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

(Pardon my nose-poking...) Assuming you're speaking about this edit, JFW rightly reverted the double period that had been added by the anon. Perhaps you mistinterpreted the diff? --David Iberri (talk) 03:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I did, thank you. --Lucent 10:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Cancer referencing

I see peer review suggested some reference/citation changes in Cancer. There are some raw URL links and some using templates. Want my citations bot to scan it and convert both to Wikipedia:Footnotes numbered links? (SEWilco 07:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC))

How does it look now? See the diff in History to see where the URL was. (SEWilco 16:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC))

you what

How does Locked up mean anything besides.. you know.. locked up ?--Irishpunktom\^talk 15:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

This is a typical reaction which I was expecting. But I think "locked up" is crude. As if poor Marwan was not responsible for the Al-Aqsa Brigades, for example. Or on the other side: "He's finally been locked up. Good." JFW | T@lk 22:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

my RFA

Thank you for your support. I'm now an administrator (final vote 64-2). — FREAK OF NUR_xTURE (TALK) 06:47, Dec. 17, 2005

Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/1), so I'm now an administrator! Shanel 20:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

germ layers

I'm not sure where to ask this one: My bio textbook says that all animals more complex than sponges produce two or three germ layers. The current germ layer entry suggests that only Eumetazoa produce germ layers. From the info on Wikispecies (one level up at Animilia), I'm leaning towards the bio book answer but I'd rather not delete possibly correct, possibly useful information without knowing for sure. I'm compiling the germ layer, mesoderm, ectoderm, and endoderm stubs into one article and need to know which fact is correct for my final revisions. Please feel free to respond on my Talk page. TheLimbicOne 00:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Writing Hebrew

Hi, do you know how to write Hebrew on Wikipedia? I'm trying to write Lekhah Dodi, but there's a terrible bug I can't get around - I used to be able to, that's how I wrote Ein Keloheinu and Aleinu. Something's changed and I can't get around it anymore: I can't place breaks and punctuation in the right place. Do you know a way around this? Izehar (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi again, regarding written Hebrew. I managed to set the breaks; I couldn't however insert punctuation marks into the correct spots. I've tried everything, but still can't. Could you please check it and tell me if, in your opinion, the Hebrew text is OK. I haven't finished the article yet, I still need to find the translation. Izehar (talk) 22:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

RK's recent edits to chabad

RK has come back from his break and reinserted his version of "Relationship between God, the Rebbe and his followers", I removed it upon agreemnt with you, and you were mediating the differences between my version and RK's. Please take a look. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Please also take a look at his removal of "held Schneerson in the highest regard and did not take a stance vis a vis the Messianic stirrings.", to his version despite what was worked out on the talk page, and his removal of what Rabbi Aaron Soloveitchik held, also I don't understand why his sources recive full elaboration when the others don't. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 22:08, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

RK's additions and current version

I have cleaned up some of RK's additions, all my edits are explained by my edit summaries. I have left in the RCA resolution and the comments by Rabbi Lamm. However I would like to point out, that the sources that RK brought for the paragraph about the relationship between G-d the rebbe and his followers had nothing to do with the way chabad views the subject and were actually critizing those that believe that the Rebbe is G-d, which not just those source condemm these beliefs but every Orthodox Rabbi including chabad condemms this. Also with his quotes from Feldman and others, the same thing, that not just those sources condemm those beliefs but chabad along with every Orthodox Rabbi does so as well. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 23:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps it is time to do an RFC here. Double standards in editing are never a good thing. JFW | T@lk 23:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Would you certify the dispute? --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 00:03, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Depend a lot on how it's phrased. But it should be an article RFC, not a contributor RFC. I don't believe an editor RFC would be useful given that this concerns article content. I would support an RFC that calls on RK to detail his sources when addressing the issue of atzmus. Was it Berger who brought this up? Was the issue covered before Berger? The section may have merits but needs to be NPOV and CITE. JFW | T@lk 00:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

No need for a RFC, as I have provided multiple sources. They are shown in the Discussion page as of this writing. I have rewritten this section and provided sources, with three Chabad points of view and three non-Chabad points of view, and am sure that it now matches your (valid and necessary) concerns about WIkipedia citation and verifiability policy. RK (talk · contribs)

So why not insert those sources into the article to avoid further chaos? JFW | T@lk 20:34, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Because you locked the article, and prevented anyone from doing so. You did this two days ago, remember? You said that you wanted to see the proposed text before unlocking it. So did you read the new text I added? It answered every one of your requests. It even added a new Chabad source (a Chabad rabbi who does not like David Berger, but admits that this atzmus theology has led to the deification of the rebbe among some in Chabad.)

Regrettably, Eliezer has started making some dishonest claims yet again. He again denies that I brought these sources, which you admit exist. So either you and I are lying, or Eliezer is trying to pull a fast one. Or Eliezer is very confused.

Please see Eliezer's new comments and his boldly POV proposed edit, which removes every single citation! He only wants Chabad Jews to be quoted, and actually writes as a fact that anyone who disagrees must be ignorant of Kabbalah! That kind of statement is not only a violation of NPOV policy, but a gross attack on the scholarship of the rabbis being cited. We can't go around deleting criticisms of major controversies by attacking contributors or scholars as ignorant (as Eliezer subtly does of non-Chabad Orthodox Jews) and we can't argue that "I feel that these criticisms are wrong, therefore I will delete them." Yet this is literally what Eliezer write about every Orthodox Jew I tried to cite. Please help fight against this violation of Wikipedia policy. RK

I would like to point out that everything I wrote is sourced, and the sources that RK brought are not relevant to what he is trying to prove. see my comments on the talk page of chabad. About this latest claim by RK that I am writing that anybody who disagrees must be ignorant of Kabbalah, I don't see where he gets that from, but I'm sure RK is not saying that Keller and Berger learned Kabbalah. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:14, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Can you stop by the chabad article and help finish mediating. Thanks. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 06:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hamburger

I see you're working on Binyamin Shlomo Hamburger. Good luck! I only have the introduction to his Shorshei Minhagei Ashkenaz, with which I strongly sympathise, but lack the pecunia to get the three (?or four) volumes that he has written on the subject. What are you planning to use as your source material? JFW | T@lk 23:03, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Honestly I'm not entirely sure what I'll be using as soure material. I was originally hoping to find some info online (why use anything else when google is so simple), but have found it a lot harder than I thought. I actually don't have shorshei, although I've been contemplating getting the first 3 vols as a little hanukah present to myself. My brother has the second and third vols, and he practically swears by them at this point. It looks like working on his entry is going to be seriously delayed (especially since other things seem to keep coming up), mostly due to the problems with finding good source material. --אריאל יהודה 03:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

One Click

I just don't get it. They seem hell-bent on attacking without even taking the elementary precaution of checking whether someone is likely to be sympathetic to their aims or not! No wonder they have such apparent trouble getting their voice heard. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 22:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Satmar

Hi JFW. I've been doing my best to keep Satmar, Aaron Teitelbaum, and Zalman Teitelbaum pages under control, but some contributors keep deleting large sections of content relating to the brothers' feud. Please advise as to appropriate actions. Do I just keep reverting the changes? At what point should I request the pages be locked? Thanks for your help. ShalomShlomo 03:21, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

If the edits look malevolent you may revert without discussion. If you think it's out of control list them on requests for page protection. JFW | T@lk 08:51, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

If you could, I'd appreciate you taking a look at the Talk:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty) page and advising how I should proceed. Can I propose a contributor vote? Should I ask for page protection? Thanks. ShalomShlomo 07:06, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you help?

Have a quick look here: Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Dominick. You'll see there's a batch of 50 articles into which one editor has added links to her own site. I am minded to start removing these links, as Dominick has done before. What do you think? - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 21:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Unless the site is regarded as the final word on the subject, these may be removed without discussion under the header linkspam. JFW | T@lk 22:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. I Apologise

I apologise for he vandalism i commited on the Adin Steinsaltz site.. Thank you for pointing this out --Reb Roovie 10:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Lapinmies

I became aware of this user after he left a somewhat aggressive message on Doc glasgow's talk page; I immediately noticed that the user may be engaged in other overly aggressive behavior, anti-Semitism, and vandalism. I'm not asking for any action, but I might suggest this user be watched a bit. Thanks...KHM03 12:26, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Anti-semitism?!? Lapinmies 18:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not see direct evidence of anti-semitism, and my comment on your talkpage only reflected the aggressive message on the talkpage of a departed/Wikivacationing user with an offensive edit summary. JFW | T@lk 18:58, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, I said "may be engaged in...anti-Semitism"; primarily the Star Wars / "Jew" line and the stuff about Hitler, etc. on the user page (which are often red flags). If I was incorrect, I certainly apologize. KHM03 19:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Simon Wessely

For keeping your head when others about you are losing theirs, I hereby award you the Working Man's Barnstar, Gunga Din Class. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 14:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks Guy. I'm copying it to my userpage! JFW | T@lk 14:25, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Radhanite

This FAC is being opposed by a POV pusher who has consistantly tried to downplay Jewish contributions to history (while simultaneously shrugging off or sweeping under the rug Muslim atrocities against Jews and others, see, e.g., al-Andalus and Banu Qurayza). Please review the article when you are able and weigh in on the FAC page as you feel appropriate. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 05:57, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll have a look. JFW | T@lk 15:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 16:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sturmgrenadier

hi, there is an organized campaign to save the above self-promotional vanity games-club page from deletion.... i'm wondering if you'd be willing to take a look and voice your opinion? normally i wouldnt care but (a) i hate organized campaigns from groups of users (especially when they have vested interests but dont declare them) and (b) when challenged about it, they suggested i try it myself! so here i am.... cheers! Zzzzz 20:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Voted Delete. Nn. JFW | T@lk 08:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hebrewterm

Hi JFW. Please reconsider your decision to delete it without any discussion. See my comments at TFD and Template_talk:Hebrewterm. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 23:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

FYI, it is now rewritten (and could be rewritten again) to be in-text with optional params. ←Humus sapiens←ну? 03:50, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Could you take a look at Template talk:Hebrewterm and Moshav as an example. Do you still think "This causes a colossal mess"? ←Humus sapiens←ну? 10:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Serzone move to Nefazodone

Hi JFW, I tried to move Serzone to Nefazodone (generic name). Unfortunately, Wikipedia told me to check with an admin for this move. Could you help out with this? Thanks for your time! Uthbrian (talk) 02:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. JFW | T@lk 08:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Hey Jfdwolff! Thanks for nominating me and your support on my RfA. The final outcome was an unanimous (45/0/0), so I am now an administrator. If you need help, or have a question, please don't hesitate to let me know! Again, thanks! :D --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 03:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations. Use the mop well and don't forget to change the water in the bucket sometimes. JFW | T@lk 08:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you help?

I need to get the following from the deleted edit history of the article please:

• 12:14, 14 November 2005 by 84.9.60.246
• 12:43, 15 November 2005 by Just zis Guy, you know?

Email would be good but you could post them as user subpages in my user space. I am starting to doubt my owm memory of the origins of this whole fiasco. Thanks, Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 17:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

What exactly do you need from the articles? I can only get the Wikitext by undeleting it, something I'd rather not do. JFW | T@lk 17:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

That's a pain. I need the full text. - Just zis  Guy, you know? ^[T]/_[C] AfD? 18:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

The future of: Kabalistic Laws

Hi, you sent me a message about the article 'Kabalistic Laws' that I started. I argee with you about the problems that you mentioned, but I don't think that they are insurmountable. I am planning on adding sources for the laws when I have time (which I hope will be soon). I would have delayed putting it up until I sourced it, but I thought it was better to have an unsourced article than no article at all. After it is sourced, I think it would make sense to change around the structure to reflect the difference between a kablistic interpretation of an earilier law and a law bassed purely on kabbalah. Jon513 21:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hebrew Alphabet

I have rewritten the articles on all the Hebrew letters here and before I replace the pages, your input would be appreciated. Thanks! Sputnikcccp 16:26, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Larvatus

This Rfc is a serious one. It involves child rape allegations, a US civil legal case, CEOs of international corporations, and a famous German band. It needs input from a broad range of Wikipedians. Before I removed the crime categories and POV content several weeks ago, I looked at Larvtus's blogs, the cited CA court cases on line, and Larvatus's entries on other websites. It was reverted and I was scolded (my perception). I've asked him to step back and let the community decide. I'm willing to step aside and let other Wikipedians make the decision, in fact I would prefer it.--FloNight 17:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)