Talk:Dragon Age: Origins

First lifesigns date

Could anyone try to track down the date when the first information on DA was released and add it to the top of the article? Right now, this could pass as abandonware from the last millenium... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.76.87.120 (talk) 18:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

How about a list of features that the developers have said will be included? For example I just read on the official forums that their will be a strength attribute and the magic system will be mana based.

Hi, I added a link to my website (hope that's ok?) which fulfills the above. I'll try and incorporate some of the info that I've gathered together into the main article when I've got more time. --Petros471 19:17, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Release date

I saw that a release date was mentioned on the page, but as far as I know Bioware has denied that they have one. I assume that this release date was taken from the article from 1up or 'games for windows' magazine (which is the same article). Bioware's response(by Chris Priestly) to this claim by 1up was:

Well, I think that was more of an estimate on their part. I've said this in another thread, but it bears repeating.

We don't know the release date yet. Heck, Mass Effect is going to be coming out quite a bit before Dragon Age and we don't know the release date for that either.

The team is working really hard and you're starting to see what they are coming up with (which looks fabulous imo), but we won't have a set release date for quite some time yet. Stay Tuned.

which was stated somewhere on this page on Bioware's forum[1]

So I would propose to remove the release date, but I dont know what wikipedia's guidelines are for this.86.80.15.251 00:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I removed the release date, since it isn't an official one and no one commented on it why it should be there. 86.80.15.251 11:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I got rid of the made up release date. Bioware is still saying TBA second half of 2009. If you have a link to an article saying otherwise, feel free to change it back. Snake 89 (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Fan sites

As per Wikipedia:External links I removed the links to all but one fan site. I choose Age of the Dragon over Sorcerer's Palace because the former is much more accessible in that it is not cluttered with things un-important to someone looking for information about Dragon Age.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rjo (talk • contribs) .

I agree that only one fan site should be linked, and I favor Age of the Dragon because it's a dedicated DA site, whereas Sorcerer's Palace is a general news page with DA coverage mixed in with NWN and NWN2 news. Also, it appears that AotD is updating more frequently at the moment.--Muchness 04:26, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Sorcerer's Place

Sorcerer's Place (note the spelling) is the only website gathering and collecting Dragon Age forum highlights. The other site that's been removing the links to SP here and putting itself on the list is mooching our coverage so it should be the last one on the list, let alone the only one. So do us a favour and stop with the childish de-listing and link removal. As for how the "former is much more accessible in that it is not cluttered with things un-important to someone looking for information about Dragon Age", all our DA forum news coverage is on a single page, and no one thus far has had any problems dealing with more information rather than less. In time we'll open a separate section for DA, but until then, our DA forum highlights will be posted on the page linked.

I think the sheer fact that that other site is stealing our coverage along with our title for it (i.e. Dragon Age official forum highlights), and at the same time in its links section dubbing itself the only DA fan site speaks volumes for their integrity. Not to mention their constant childish removal of our link here. Way to make friends in the community, whoever you are.

I feel I have to respond to this to restore a bit of balance. In response to the above post:

• "Sorcerer's Place (note the spelling) is the only website gathering and collecting Dragon Age forum highlights." - This is clearly not true. My site does as well! And I certainly don't copy them from SP, they come straight from the official forums, with my own editing. If you looked closely at my site I would be very surprised if you found that they were exactly the same- there would probably be differences in what posts are selected for reproduction, the order they are in, the comments around them etc.

-- Our own coverage comes from the official forums, so it's obviously very easy for anyone to copy it and present it as their own. Making minor edits so that it doesn't obviously look copied would be a matter-of-course. Not that I can say 100% that that's what you're doing, it just looks like that to me based on a number of factors I've listed.

• "The other site that's been removing the links to SP here and putting itself on the list is mooching our coverage" and "So do us a favour and stop with the childish de-listing and link removal.” I have never removed the link to SP. I have never edited this article as an anon IP, always under this username. Looking at the edit history and my contributions shows that I've only added my site, not removed SP.

-- Well, someone's been removing links to us, and judging by what I've seen here, there aren't really that many candidates here who would have the interest in doing that. Coupled with the fact that you call yourself the only DA fansite makes it a tad too obvious to ignore. The fact that we cover more than a single game doesn't mean that somehow this disqualifies us from being listed. For many of the games we cover we do a heck of a lot better job than 99% "dedicated" fan sites out there.

• "I think the sheer fact that that other site is stealing our coverage along with our title for it (i.e. Dragon Age official forum highlights)" Please see the first point. Also I actually 'stole' the concept and terminology from the vault's coverage of Neverwinter Nights ( http://nwvault.ign.com/ ) and was partially inspired to start Age of the Dragon because the vault stopped covering Dragon Age. All news (game related or otherwise) is almost always covered by many, many sites- I have never heard of any site complaining that another is stealing coverage just because they report the same news. Copying content from another site is another matter, but as I've already said I only copy from the BioWare forums (and if they have a problem with that, they are welcome to tell me). By the way, the newest SP headline for DA is "Dragon Age Forum News", not "Dragon Age official forum highlights"; not that I'm claiming what I call them to be original.

-- You should have looked around a bit more then, we've been covering DA forum news for months. And please don't try to make it sound like anyone else is posting DA forum highlights, or compare it to general news gathering which takes little effort. If you were in fact collecting your own forum highlights you would know that it takes a lot of time and effort. As for "Dragon Age official forum highlights", that's what we call it when it's submitted to other sites to report about. Not that it matters, it's just another too obvious link to what we're posting.

• "its links section dubbing itself the only DA fan site” I’m sorry but that is completely wrong, and always has been. To quote from my site, next to the link for http://www.dragonagex.com/ "AFAIK this is the only other dedicated DA fansite out there (that's not counting sections about DA on the large gaming network sites)." I.e. I link to what I think is the only other dedicated fan site and specifically exclude sections on large sites from that claim.

-- I'd call it deceiving visitors, considering there are hardly any active DA sites in existence, so listing them all would take oh, 2 minutes? But whatever works for you... Just FYI, SP doesn't belong to a "large gaming network".

Some other comments:

• When I added the link to my site, I hadn't read (nor was aware of) Wikipedia:External_links, which includes "What should not be linked to... Links that are added to promote a site, by the site operator or its affiliates." I apologise for breaking this guideline, and wouldn't have done so if I were aware of it at the time of adding my link. I even left a comment at the top of this page asking if it was ok, and no-one responded saying no, so I assumed it was. Later (earlier in December rather than back in October) I was actually taking advise from User:Evilphoenix just as the edit from User:Rjo happened.
• I feel it should be noted that the author of the previous comment, User:Toonstruck has mostly edited articles in order to add links to SP.

-- SP is one of the best sites out there for the games it covers (and I can say that based on our visitor comments, not vanity), so naturally it deserves to be linked. To begin with I've only corrected some broken links to us that have been posted in various articles relating to our site, since I've noticed failed hits from Wikipedia coming to our server after we've changed some links. For the couple of games that we also cover but weren't linked yet, I've added links, since they are obviously relevant. Everything after that was basically making sure that our links weren't removed by sites who think that the way to handle competition on Wikipedia is to make it look like it doesn't exist, by removing links to all sites but their own.

My edits are clearly available for viewing as well.

• Age of the Dragon is not just about forum highlights. It also has a Dragon Age feature list, and unofficial Dragon Age FAQs, which are (as far as I know!) the most complete on the internet. Both I wrote myself (obviously taking a lot of info off the official BioWare site, some copied directly).

-- Kudos to you, and nobody is disputing any content that you have that is obviously unique.

Toonstruck: Please note that I'm not accusing you of lying; I can understand how you could have come to most, though not all, of your conclusions. Of course you might not believe my responses above, but as we both have a vested interest in the links section of this article I suggest that we both leave it alone and leave other editors to make more independent and less biased decisions about which site or sites should be linked to.

-- Well, unfortunately I can't afford the luxury of being so lenient because I've had to keep re-adding links to SP that our perceived competition (or someone who has a gripe with us for some reason?) keep removing, either in favour of their own sites, or just out of spite. It's easy to do it anonymously on Wikipedia, or under another name. Frankly, just before this last edit here I wanted to start looking if there's anyone official to complain to because removals of our links are obviously malicious.

And I completely agree with leaving both links there - I've never had the audacity to completely remove links to active sites that have been entered on the list. At best I'd re-order the list in order of importance or relevance. Unfortunately there is hardly anyone editing the links sections that doesn't have an interest in promoting their own site, even when it is inferior to others on the list either in terms of content, relevance or frequency of updates. I do my best to be fair in this regard.

Finally I apologies again for being inappropriate in my editing of the article, and I will not do so again. I just wanted to make the above points as I hate for anything other than the truth to be known.

-- No problem, and I'm glad that you've replied.

Petros471 16:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I've just made some additions based on the recent four page 1up/GFW magazine article found here. As the majority of the previous content was covered in it, I moved several references to the external links section. Since I drew so heavily from that article I only referenced it in one place, as I'm new to wiki-editing if someone could go through and edit what I've added it would help. The page is starting to fill out and there is probably enough info in that article to add some more headings, perhaps plot and game engine/mechanics for starters. The article also gave some info on one of the NPCs - Shale, a dwarven golem/construct, and info on his story progression and methods to upgrade him but I wasn't sure to add it because of spoilers or lack of info on other NPCs.

Kamix 16:32, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick one

I for one thought that the BG series ended with Throne Of Bhaal, but ever since i read the article here on Wiki, that BG3 is in the making, I did some trudging here & there...and this is what most have to say : BG3 has been scraped/morphed into Dragon Age. I dont think BioWare has stated that explicitly but if any of the co-producers(?) have anything to say, then can anyone here dig that up and ascertain or deny that claim. Besides the places I picked it off was on fan-forums and its common knowledge that those are one the worst places to get any reliable info.Was†ed(Ag@in) _{‡ † ©} 18:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect actually. Black Isle (Now Obsidian Ent.) was working on BG3. Interplay the publisher pulled the plug. I thought I read many moons ago the tech demo (pre-alpha) for BG3 was 'leaked' to some sites. But I could be in error, either way Bioware had nothing to do with the official BG3 sequel. - Rhomal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.14.71.111 (talk) 20:46, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

I added two tags to the article requesting citations:

for the artistic direction

and for general gameplay features

Now added --Sendu (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.87.102.5.5 (talk) 16:25, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

Hello 2!

I noticed that two sites are claiming the game will come to consoles later eg http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53624 and http://www.mcvuk.com/news/31210/E3-08-BioWares-Dragon-Age-heading-to-consoles Both are reputable, but this is the internet and it could be a mistake..

As such I haven't changed the article yet.. Anyone got better confirmations or denials?87.102.86.73 (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

It has been confirmed. But no announcement regarding the consoles or release date is announced. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure - has 'dragon age:origins' been confirmed for consoles or just that a dragon age game will eventually made for consoles (as part of the franchise)?87.102.86.73 (talk) 07:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like somebody has fixed that, thanks whoever it was.87.102.5.5 (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Resolved

Name change to "Origins"

1Up's podcast has them talking about the game's name change from Dragon Age: Origins to simply Origins. Podcast Problem is, the name change isn't anywhere else. So keep an eye out for the retitle. JAF1970 (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No, you misunderstood. The context of that was talking about the name change from just 'Dragon Age' to 'Dragon Age: Origins' by adding the 'Origins'. There isn't going to be another retitle. --Sendu (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Official website age check

Should a note be placed with the links that there is an age check when one attempts to enter the website? I'm not quite 17, and now I'm locked out of the website (presumably until my birthday - I'm guessing it's an issue of "we expect an M rating and we don't want any emails from angry parents complaining about what their children saw on the site") - whenever I try to access it, it gives me the message "Sorry, you are too young." So should this be noted? 71.243.223.58 (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

No harm noting. Chensiyuan (talk) 16:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Dev Section

Currently, the Development heading states:

BioWare will release a 'developer-grade' toolset (the same one that they used to make Dragon Age: Origins) to allow extensive modification and customization of the game.[15]

The part in brakets doesnt make sense as we are talking about the one they are using to make DA:O unless theres another DA:O I'm not aware of.

Z/G

118.100.76.81 (talk) 13:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing you mean that it should be in present tense since Dragon Age isn't finished yet? So it should read "the same one that they are using to make Dragon Age: Origins". However, I went to look at the source that is referenced, and there is no mention of these being the tools that BioWare is using to make it. The quoted text 'developer-grade' is present, but I don't think this can be inferred to mean that they used these same tools to make the game. Once I get home I'll be removing that text unless I can find another reference somewhere to support it. I'll also try expanding on the section in general. Wormdundee (talk) 22:56, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Updated logo and confirmed release date

Hello

The logo currently listed is an outdated one and may confuse visitors also in the latest trailer for Dragon Age, it confirms the release date for October 20 2009, and this is most likely worldwide... so if anyone can make the adjusted changes then please do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diamount (talk • contribs) 07:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

The logo seems to be the same in the trailer... --Thejadefalcon (talk) 09:58, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed you are right about that, however on the official forums (at the top) the new logo is clearly visible, check it out:

http://daforums.bioware.com/viewdevposts.html?topic=679243&forum=135 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diamount (talk • contribs) 10:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I've never been to the forums before today (or, indeed, the official site before your last comment said there was a new trailer). --Thejadefalcon (talk) 14:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

DRM

It was recently announced that DA will not contain securom but do a regular style disc check. I would add this info myself, but I can't access the sites for sourcing while here at work (site restrictions). A google search on Dragon Age and Securom should bring up some good sources. --Lendorien (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd be excited if I had a decent PC. If no-one's done it when I go to the library later today, I'll probably add it myself. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I took care of it. I was able to access a cached version of one of the articles. I will say that along with The Sims 3 not using Securom, this might be signs of a backpedal on EA's part.--Lendorien (talk) 13:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm hoping it's the beginning of an industry wide backpedal myself. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Which Origin Story?

Which Origin story is this article based on? Because, if elves and dwarves aren't liked by humans, then I can't see humans being a romance option. I think I remember reading somewhere that Morrigan wasn't a fan of humans (presumably an elf then?). So which Origin story is this article based on, or is everyone editing wildly on multiple ones without specifying which story it is? --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Morrigan is indeed a human but dislikes those outside her normal relations, since she isn't a normal city girl but an outsider. I also think being a different race does not affect the number of romances you can have, otherwise that would make the other races less appealing if you are not a human. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diamount (talk • contribs) 04:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. Personally, I'd welcome the chance to romance a dwarven lady if I play a dwarf. For a start, it's certainly more believable than romancing Morrigan. She's twice the player character's size. --Thejadefalcon (talk) 10:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, you could romance Zevran. Some dwarf-elf thing going there...and he swings both ways, to boot. The romance options aren't affected by anything, I've found, which is kind of awkward, if you ask me.129.97.174.39 (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

True and no all in the article, but this would be better posted on a forum. Maybe you can complain to BioWare and ask them to have romance options based on your race for the upcoming sequel? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 19:49, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Collector's Edition

Does anyone have any clue what is in the Xbox 360 collector's edition I just pre-ordered? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:40, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

All retail versions of the collector's edition have the same content. See or here for official page, or here for a link to Shale. 58.104.181.43 (talk) 06:49, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! Though I'm not impressed that there doesn't seem to be any British stores I could have preordered it from to get the Feral Wolf Charm and the Memory Ring. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah the wolf charm is a Gamestop exclusive. Lots of the US stores seem to exclusive items, though I think the memory band is for everyone who pre-orders so you should be right for that, I've seen it on Game.co.uk. 58.104.181.43 (talk) 03:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

You have? Odd. I'll have to check that later. Thanks. Unfortunately, it was the Wolf Charm I wanted. :P I'm perfectly happy with grinding on BioWare games without assistance. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Play.com have the Feral Wolf charm and Memory band exclusive for the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Michael2084 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks. Bit late to say that and I've heard too many horror stories (and at the time had no reliable internet connection) to pre-order outside of a GAME store. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Memory band is not exclusive to anywhere...Its pretty much shipped with any deluxe version. Annihilatron (talk) 13:28, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, we got that, thanks. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Specializations

I've added a brief mention of specializations to the "Gameplay" section:

Unconfirmed features include "specializations", packages for character development and improvement which are only available when unlocked by in-game events.<ref>{&123;cite web | url=http://daforums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=689962&forum=135&sp=15#6590582 | title=Unofficial posting on Dragon Age forum}}</ref>

I kept this fairly vague, because we don't really have much hard information to go on.

I hope user 71.116.122.163 (talk · contribs) will now stop re-inserting that longer text about specializations. (I actually got the forum link by scanning the page history for first attempt to add that text.) But I deliberately used a terrible title for the cite, because I'd like someone who regularly edits here to fix it.

Incidentally, specializations seem like a nice game mechanic IMHO. Cheers, CWC 19:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. It was less what he added, more the way he added it, where he added it and the lack of citations. KotOR and Mass Effect had Specialisations, I doubted Dragon Age wouldn't. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Of course, he's done it again. Cretin. He's got a final warning on his talk page before I start taking action. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Warning is on his talk page. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:16, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, its now confirmed. Although I'd have no way of citing this information, however, most character bonuses that can't be achieved through levelling are achieved through plot events and the choices you make.

Annihilatron (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't really the content of his edits, it was the way he was editing them in. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Characters and locations

Over the passed month and a half I been adding more detail to some of the character descriptions and references since they were originally added around January of this year and don't reflect the newer official bios. I haven't seen anyone work on them lately so I was thinking in moving on and finishing up the rest. If there is someone here who was thinking on working on some of it I am more than happy to pass the remaining work to you or split it.

On another topic Dragon Age's Official Website has had information on the locations you will be entering during your travels, do you think that another section should be added for these locations?

Silentcid (talk) 00:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

And I've been very impressed with what you've done given that I have a natural suspicion of IP addresses and users with no user page. :P I'd help out but the public computers near me don't like the site. Sorry. As for the locations, draft them (don't worry about putting citations in) and post them on the talk page. Most games don't have a location list, but it depends on what you can come up with. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Reception

Someone posted that the PC Gamer UK gave it a score of 94% and didn't get the reference on it. This came from the magazine but since I don't live in the UK can someone find this info and put in the reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silentcid (talk • contribs) 00:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Just got my copy of PCG, so just about to add the citation. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Gamespot awarded the PC version a 9.5, the Xbox360 version with an 8.5, and the PS3 version with a 9.0. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.16.206 (talk) 09:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Giantbomb gave the game (all versions reviewed together) a perfect 5/5 http://www.giantbomb.com/dragon-age-origins/61-20738/reviews/80.101.161.195 (talk) 00:05, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

How about some actual criticism? There are articles out there which bite at the companion AI and the bland architecture and landscapes, etc. 123.243.117.241 (talk) 04:32, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

List them. Chensiyuan (talk) 05:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

If you're talking about the Australian IGN review... let's not put that in. As a ton of the comments pointed out, it was almost totally deviod of content and shouldn't be really considered a "review." However, criticism will appear. It always does. The problem is, it might be that the only Wikipedians who come to this page are either too engrossed in the game or waiting for it to come out (in my hands in four hours and nine minutes) that they don't have the time/will to add stuff to it. Even most of the glowing reviews are missing from this article. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 05:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Let's see, there was... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/dragon-age-origins-review?page=3 going on about consequences lost amidst so many meaningless choices, the architecture, unimaginative dungeons and http://www.videogamer.com/pc/dragon_age/review-2.html points out unimpressive visuals as well. Unfortunately I haven't find the article again that mentioned the AI - personally, that's the only gripe I've had with the game. It's common enough on google that an article worth citing on it will show up eventually, I guess! 123.243.117.241 (talk) 07:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the links. Someone will go through them later for the information. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Citations tag

can we remove the citations tag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.101.196 (talk) 02:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Err... what are you talking about? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

At the top of the page, kinda hard to miss. --Mika1h (talk) 10:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

There seems to me, with the improvements made over the last couple months, that the citation tag on the article page can be removed. Since others here seem to agree, I'm removing it. If there is any dispute, we can put it back and discuss here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caidh (talk • contribs) 22:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that. Yeah... I missed that most of the time. :P In that case, I belatedly add my support for the removal. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

"War dogs are a confirmed romance option"

Is this vandalism?

Yes. BioWare may be courageous in their taunting of Fox, but beastiality is illegal (to an extent) in most countries, so they're not going to be doing that. You know... ever. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:51, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

One spot, if you say surprise me, you get the dog as an option. Nothing happens. You can also get a dwarf dressed up in a unique fashion. And a few other things. By itself it might be bad, as a whole you realize they are really bad (though funny as heck) jokes.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.55 (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

What are you talking about? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Leakage

Thepiratebay is a torrent index it proves that the game has been leaked so do Biowares forums. But if some people do not consider those inappropriate sources let's wait till somebody makes a news article about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.69.32.166 (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

New threads go at the bottom. And I accept fully that it's been pirated (and it disappoints me), but pirate bay isn't a good link as no-one wants to have a direct link to pirated material on their site for fear of being sued. Wait until CVG, GamesRadar, IGN or similar covers it. Forum posts are acceptable if nothing else exists, but it is always vastly preferable to have another source. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 23:00, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Since when were forum posts an acceptable source? --Bilge [TC] 11:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

They are if it's from a moderator/community manager or, even better, a developer themselves, but as I said, use with caution and alway look for a source to replace it. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:42, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think forums are an acceptable source post-release of the game. Pre-release it's fine because information out there is shallow, but now we'll want to wait for an article to pop up. Not that a leakage is a big surprise :P 75.80.128.65 (talk) 01:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

If no other sources exist, then it's still acceptable by my understanding of it. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 01:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Gameplay section

needs more specification, really general now. Maybe if the game is open world or not? some more information would be nice —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.169.188.233 (talk) 21:42, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not open world. That would be mentioned. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 21:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Notable voice acting

Yes, we have the main characters here, but there's a pretty star studded voice acting cast which includes Kate Mulgrew, Tim Russ, Tim Curry, Chris Cox (actor), etc. Kate Mulgrew is Flemeth/Morrigan's "Mother", I could swear I hear Tim Russ in various people in the game, but he is definitely Z...Uh...The Danish Elf Leader responsible for the curse.

They're all actually credited in the credits...just a pain to watch about 2 minutes of other people to get to them.

Annihilatron (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia cares not for spoilers, the game isn't out in all countries yet, and what are you talking about? If you have no information, why post? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 13:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

You realize, the game has been released to most of the important markets. I've been playing it since day one. Besides, I'm just bringing information to people's attention, at least until we can get some credible references; its not like I'm throwing crap up on the article. AGF. Annihilatron (talk) 07:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It is now, anyway. At the time of your posting it wasn't in the only market I actually care about (i.e. mine). But we knew all of that information anyway. Without knowing who is playing what, there was no point in typing that. Yes, I could search the credits myself and I will if no-one else has done it, but I don't look at the credits until a movie/game is over. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 16:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, who knows, bioware (or the voice actor) might release something eventually. It might be something to keep an eye on. 129.97.174.39 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Eh? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 19:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

D&D Complaint

• How can this be said "not based on dungeons and dragons"? Im sorry, but it uses the same logos from D&D Games, and pretty much is Dungeon and Dragon ruleset. It doesnt isnt set in the D&D World, but it is based on D&D Rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmc1184 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

New threads go at the bottom. Secondly, unless you are a reliable source (which I doubt), nothing you say makes any difference to the article. It is your opinion, nothing more. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 18:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

A casual glance at the game system reveals that it is nothing like the Dungeons and Dragons ruleset. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.150.2.55 (talk) 18:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Anti NPOV

This article is -extremely- biased. Cid SilverWing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.166.178.16 (talk) 20:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks for not telling us a thing. Why does the article need to be rewritten entirely, for instance? Secondly, yes, the review section is small right now, but it will get updated eventually. Why don't you help? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 20:59, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

a role-playing game

Can someone provide a citation that it's a role-playing game, not an action-RPG? I don't want to annoy people with "" on the article or anything. 85.221.142.5 (talk) 02:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

How is not stating the subset a problem? Chensiyuan (talk) 03:01, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

false information

"Dragon Age: Origins is a computer game" - wrong, it is also for PS3 and 360. Also: "Dragon Age: Origins is a single player only game" - also wrong, the Xbox 360 version of the game has Xbox Live.--24.240.186.162 (talk) 03:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Though PS3 and 360 are both computers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.20.118 (talk) 06:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Sword of the Forbidden

I'm an editor at the other DA wiki, and noticed 'the Sword of the Forbidden', which supposedly allows you to kill an archdemon without dying. Can I ask what the source of this information is? No one one who's played the game on the BioWare forums has mentioned it, and I can find no such item in the toolset. -- 75.94.50.58 (talk) 08:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Zevran's Bisexuality

I removed the citation needed on the line about Zevran being a romance option for male and female characters. I can't seem to figure out how to add a reference to the article (the format's changed since the last time I've used Wikipedia) but here's a Kotaku article; on top of that there's probably three hundred videos on YouTube with variations of the scene. It's quite well known. http://kotaku.com/5400986/explore-the-tender-side-of-manhood-with-dragon-age mixvio (talk) 11:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC)