Talk:Saturday Night Live

Archives Archive 1 - December 2006 - May 2007

Family Connections

I added a paragraph in the family connections section noting that Brad Hall, Rich Hall and Anthony Michael Hall are not related. It was promptly removed as "unnecessary info", which I suppose it is, but the whole section is unnecessary except to satisfy a reader's curiosity about SNL cast members. I had always wondered if these 3 were related, so I imagine I'm not the only one. I think it is a useful addition to the section. Capmango 15:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Seeing no objections raised here, I am putting the sentence back in. I myself find the information useful and interesting, so it is reasonable to assume others would as well. If someone feels strongly that it is bad for the sentence to be there, then please add to this discussion. Capmango 20:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Article for each episode

What are your thoughts on articles for each episode? I have constructed a model article for Scarlett Johansson/Bjork. List any thoughts on the format/etc. here. Weatherman90 18:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

What in the...

Why does the Dick in the Box skecth link appear in EVERY SNL-related page, even if it has nothing to do with it? you're not colorblind, it's colored this way. Misteryoshi 22:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Article needs work

The problem I have with this article is that it's mostly lists, with virtually nothing about the history of the show. Most of the actual "content" is in the Trivia section. And while I do not share the viewpoint of others that Trivia needs to be removed from Wikipedia, in this case I will agree that most of the items listed there should be rewritten into a section on the history of the show. I've put this article on my "to rewrite" list for when I have time. 23skidoo 13:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• The section about the DVD release commentary is written in POV form and also comes close to crossing the no original research line. 23skidoo 16:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm making some changes. Feel free to undo stuff if you disagree. -- Viewdrix 01:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Production?

Is SNL producing any new shows? I haven't seen any new ones in a while. 71.221.238.182 20:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

It's called summer hiatus. Notice how almost no scripted TV shows are making new episodes right now? -- Viewdrix 00:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Each season its own article.

All and every single one of Connerb312's season breakdown articles are, sorry for that expression, total crap. They all sound like from the fairy tales. The information is either insufficient or false. Also, the episode lists are disorganized. Off-the-air 14:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

True, they need to be deleted or heavily re-worked, re-edited, re-worded, and re-everything. I have decided to take care of this myself and leave the following message on each of the discussion pages:

"To Connerb312: I have edited your articles because they do not meet the encyclopedic styles of Wikipedia. Please take more consideration and effort into your articles, and review them carefully for spelling/grammar mistakes or non-sensical statements. Please focus more on general ideas than specifics, and please do not write articles like you are re-counting a story or a fairy tale. This will help to meet Wikipedia's guidelines."

- Spyke1077 01:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have edited all of the season articles, and boy where they A-W-F-U-L! You can see the changes I made. Whew, editing thirty-three articles is tough. I deserve a barnstar! LOL I hope I did a good job with them. - Spyke1077 03:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Upcoming Episodes?

I really see no reason for the Upcoming Episodes section, and I'm sure that there is some WP policy against it. I haven't removed it yet, because I'm not exactly sure about the policy. Feel free to delete it if it violates. 76.217.109.179 11:29, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, found it myself WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.217.109.179 (talk) 11:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That's odd. A number of Family Guy's upcoming episodes are listed on the site. So why is it okay for FG but not for SNL? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 10:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

SNL Digital Shorts

Not a single mention of the SNL Digital Shorts? It has an article of its own on Wikipedia, yet it is never mentioned in this article? I added it under See Also. I think it should have its own section in this article, since SNL Digital Shorts have been in the spotlight recently, especially since they aired Lazy Sunday and Dick in a Box.

It's in the Saturday Night Live template, but that's way far out of the way. I'm going to move the template up to aid navigation. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 23:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism reverting help, please?

Someone under the IP address 24.14.20.44 keeps vandalising each of the individual season articles by changing out names of hosts and changing episode details and the such. I spent an hour yesterday reverting some only to find more new vandalism today. Could someone please help me revert as well as report the vandalism? Please and thank you. Magkaz 03:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Strike

Anyone know if SNL is coming back (with the writer's strike and all)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.214.27 (talk) 19:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Unlike other late night shows, Saturday Night Live is the only show that hasn't announced its return. To be honest, I don't think they will come back before a contract is agreed upon. The 1987-88 season only had 13 episodes after the 1988 Writers Guild of America strike. Personally, I think the strike will go to at least March, so I don't see SNL coming back before then -- sketches are written and rewritten many times during the week-long production schedule. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 06:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Any update? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.131.247.64 (talk) 23:38, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

TV Guide reports that SNL is returning Feb 23, with Tina Fey hosting. Here's the reference: SNL to Return Feb 23, With Tina Fey Hosting

Tubesurfer (talk) 16:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

91 Minutes?

Could someone elaborate: How come the show is listed as being 91 minutes long instead of 90? Is the extra minute at the beginning or end, and has it always been 91 minutes long and not 90? Timothy Horrigan (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It hasn't always been the case, just for the last couple of years. It's listed as 11:30 PM - 1:01 AM. In reality, though, It tends to come on at about 11:29.45 PM. Lambertman (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

tape delay

Is Saturday Night Live tape delayed or is that bs with the Writers Guild Strike because I was watching SNL last night in Texas , and the intro said Recorded eariler from live broadcast. Was last night a live or its a re-runRio de oro (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

When it says recorded from an earlier brodcast that means its a repeat, or if you live on the west coast, that means you're an hour behind. SNL was under the writers' strike during February 2nd. The show was a repeat from season 30, with host Tom Brady. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.67.120 (talk) 20:41, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Wayne's-world.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 03:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Anti-Obama Sketches

Recent SNL shows have contained anti-Obama sketches that are uncalled for, completely biased towards HRC's unfounded talking points against Barack, and self defeating for the Democratic Party which has democratically voted over welmingly across the nation in the primaries in support of Barack Obama. So unless they stop this nation dividing retoric they will turn people of to REAL politics and will be responsible for scaring people to vote for HRC and there by give John "W." McCain the election in February. The people have spoken - NO MORE Bushs, NO MORE Clintons, NO MORE powerful lobbyists, NO MORE Endless Occupation of Iraq (Blood for Oil). Washington needs a new direction: "Yes We Can!"

This page is for the discussion of the Saturday Night Live article only. It's not a political forum, so please limit yourself to article discussion here. Thanks! Redrocket (talk) 01:37, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Calling the SNL Obama spoofs "self-defeating for the Democrats" is an interesting comment. If true then the SNL writers must all be Democrats (which is possible).

65.101.251.116 (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

"No Oil For Blood"? That's hilarious! 76.237.239.102 (talk) 04:53, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Everyone's entitled to their own political opinions., whether it be TV or otherwise. I'd go more in-depth with my explaination, but I'm adhering to Redrocket's suggestion. Peace! Resetti 4 Prez (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

History needs work

This article needs some serious work in terms of history:

• If there are era articles, they should link to the year articles. Currently they don't.
• The 5 year intervals chosen for the history breakdown don't make too much sense. If there's going to be separate articles for different eras of the show, they should follow the important eras defined by the people involved, as detailed below.
• When did SNL begin to rely heavily on pre-recorded segments like the SNL Digital Shorts? It seems to be going away from the spirit of "Live".

SNL had pre-recorded short films from the very first season (by Michael O'Donohugh). IMHO, it never "relied heavily" on pre-recorded content. The fake commercials are generally pre-recorded also. Capmango (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

• A summary of the overall history of the show, in the main article. Especially this should cover the important eras of the show. For example, 1975-80 (original cast), 1981-84 (eddie murphy and joe piscopo, no lorne michaels), 85-90 (lorne michaels back, revival, mike myers), etc. See for example [1], [2], [3]

Sbwoodside (talk) 03:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

What actually is SNL?

There isn't really a good section devoted to explaining what Saturday Night Live actually is and what typically goes on in the show; at best, the introductory paragraphs give a very vague idea. Could this be remedied please? Metsfanmax (talk) 12:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Curse

I find it odd that there is nothing in this page about the alleged SNL "Curse" -- the page is kind of incomplete without it. Whether or not any sort of a curse is mentioned, it is certainly noteworthy that a large number of prominent SNL cast members (Radner, Farley, Belushi, Hartman) died very premature deaths. Vegaswiki (talk) 13:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, it definitely deserves mention --Ragemanchoo (talk) 10:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Comedians in general tend not to be long lived. Not unique to SNL. 76.237.239.102 (talk) 04:51, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Deleted material

The following info about Studio 8H ha snothing to do with SNL. I've move dit here so that it could be incorporated into other, more relevant articles (I'm surprised there isn't a Studio 8H article, actually).

The first season finale of The Apprentice and the 5th anniversary special of Late Night with Conan O'Brien have used the studio for one night. Likewise, Later with Bob Costas, Love, Sidney, the 50th anniversary of television episode of Today in 1990, "House Party with Steve Doocy" and the 5th anniversary special of Late Night with David Letterman were broadcast from Studio 8H. Last Call with Carson Daly used the studio until 2005, when the show moved to Studio 9 at the NBC Studios in Burbank, California.

In May of 2002, NBC celebrated its 75th anniversary and used Studio 8H to shoot the live broadcast of the event. Lorne Michaels executive produced the event.

The studio was again used for the live parts of the season finale of "Celebrity Apprentice" on March 27, 2008.

SNL start date

Greetings, The Saturday Night Live television show was broadcast at least prior to Oct 1973 in upstate NY. Your article has 1975. I remember watching it on TV before I joined the Army. I worked a weekend shift at St. Elizabeth's hospital in Utica N.Y. and I would come home and watch it. I can't recall the exact start date however it was definitely prior to Oct 1973. 65.160.171.42 (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)Patrick Costello CCDDJJPP@aol.com hope this helps....

Your help is appreciated, but the 1975 date is a well-documented fact. Lambertman (talk) 18:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you watched Monty Python. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.216.32 (talk) 08:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Runtime

Some anonymous user(s) has changed it to 94 minutes a few times. I put it back to 90 minutes (as per the introductory sentence, and every other source). There's a talk section about it being 91 minutes up above. I changed it so the article does not contradict itself. I have not seen a source showing the runtime as anything besides 90 minutes. Baseballfan (talk) 05:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

That's fine. But, usually the reason why people do that is because the show starts at 11:29, instead 11:30 PM Eastern Time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.98.60 (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I haven't watched SNL much lately (since Tina Fey left), but I'll take a look next time, as I'm used to 11:30. Anywho... Baseballfan (talk) 22:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I've always thought that SNL started at 11:35 (and ran for an hour), but thanks to my reading this, it actually starts at 11:30. Explains why I'm always missing the cold openings. Resetti 4 Prez (talk) 18:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

He's probably talking about the Cosell show? 69.206.130.183 (talk) 09:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleted material in DVDs?

• A sketch involving "butt pregnancy" during the first broadcast of the November 12, 2005, Jason Lee episode was replaced with a musical sketch about cafeteria food during the repeat.
• When Sam Kinison delivered a comic monologue in 1986, NBC removed his plea for the legalization of marijuana from the West Coast broadcast and all subsequent airings.

Does this mean the sketches wouldn't be in the DVD of their respective seasons? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 10:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Office Space Created for SNL

The movie spinoff section says that the Office Space shorts appeared on other shows first, with a citation and link to an Entertainment Weekly article. But the article in question specifically states that the shorts were created for SNL. So there's a citation to show that Office Space should be listed as a spinoff.146.122.71.68 (talk) 12:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Land Shark?

Just wondering if anyone added the land shark to this or any other SNL page. -Lea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.152.218 (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

AC/DC on SNL?

No articles on SNL metion when AC/DC guest stared to play "Stuff Upper Lip" back in 2000. Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.101.9.145 (talk) 19:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Other than you being a fan of AC/DC, what is notable about this one musical appearance out of the hundreds of musical appearances in the show's history? Lambertman (talk) 23:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Thursday night show

Should the new show be incorporated into this article, or have a new article? googuse (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

• Weekend Update Thursday has it's own article, but I think that it should be merged with Weekend Update. Resetti 4 Prez (talk) 12:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

No John Belushi reference

The John Belushi page mentions that John was an original cast member of Saturday Night Live (1975) yet I find no reference to John on the Saturday Night Live page. Is this an oversight? Rs2saj5n (talk) 05:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say that it's not. Chevy Chase, for example, was also an original cast member, but the only references to him in this main article are to his hosting the show after his tenure in the cast; there's no mention of him having been a cast member. The history of the show is split into subarticles that are linked near the beginning of this article; see History of Saturday Night Live (1975–1980), which documents that Belushi was an original cast member. --Tkynerd (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Carson

The show replaced scheduled showings of "Best Of Carson" and Johnny Carson was outraged when the show first appeared, without his consent. Shouldn't this be noted? 76.237.239.102 (talk) 04:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

That is almost the exact opposite of what happened. Carson demanded they stop rerunning his show in that time slot, and SNL was created specifically to fill that void. It's in the book Live From New York. 68.197.166.162 (talk) 18:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Season 34

Now that Amy Poehler has left the show, there only 1 women and still 8 men in the cast because Darrell Hammond is still here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.21.176 (talk) 04:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

• • "There only 1 women"? Gawrsh! 76.237.239.102 (talk) 04:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Mikeala Waltkins, Abby Elliot, and Casey Wilson? Those names ring a bell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.26.19.206 (talk) 03:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episodes and characters, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 11:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Five timer's club.

According to the article, Alec baldwin has hosted 16 times. In reality, with his performance on the 14th, he will only have hosted 14 times. I believe this should be fixed, but i don't know how to edit tables —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twistedkombat (talk • contribs) 22:18, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

My opinion on Saturday Night Live

I have to say that SNL is very important, and has Jerry Stiller ever appeared on the show?Raninair10 (talk) 03:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Debbie Downer redux

How come the one with Ben Affleck was re-edited because in its original airing the actors kept breaking character by laughing while saying their lines, but the Downer sketch with Lindsay Lohan in 2004 (when she was host) had the same problem and was left as is in repeat broadcasts? --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 07:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Firing of Norm Mcdonals?

SNL is known for firing the funniest commediian the show has ever had. The producers of NBC demander that norm mcdonald be fired from the news segment of the show. After norm left the show, their ratings plummeted, and no one has really cared about SNL since. It would be nice if a section on the contreversial firing of Norm Mcdonald could be addded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.154.212 (talk) 17:43, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

my edits

I have made some rather large changes to this article, removing a great deal of stuff (mostly tables) into either existing articles or to their own list page. This page was getting out of control! Matt Deres (talk) 14:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Was Al Franken a notable performer in additin to writer?

Yes. Curvebill (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

What kind of character generator do they use?

I'm interested in what corporation makes their digital graphics and character generation. Does anybody know? Curvebill (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

What is the font on the title card?

What font do they use on the title card and opening credits? Curvebill (talk) 00:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Gotham Ultra. Gage (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Nasim Pedrad and Jenny Slate

I belive including Nasim Pedrad and Jenny Slate as Featured Players is incorrect as NBC has not comfirmed the rumor reported in TV Guide. Including rumors, even if passed along by a reputable source, that will be confirmed or denied in the near future does not make much sense.Sandcherry (talk) 01:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

TV Guide, which is a reliable news source, stated that "Jenny Slate and Nasim Pedrad have joined the cast of Saturday Night Live, TVGuide.com has confirmed." It then went on to discuss the original (blog-sourced) report of the casting. This goes beyond simply passing along the rumors, which MTV did earlier in the day (your revert of the MTV-sourced claims was absolutely correct). I recently was a little involved in a similar situation, where some editors questioned whether a Billboard article stating it had confirmed a rumor regarding an upcoming album release satisfied WP:RS, and the consensus there was that it met RS requirements. I think TV Guide is as reliable regarding TV as Billboard is to music, so the same result would follow. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I see your point based on a review of WP:RS and your example. It does seem odd to me to represent a rumor as a fact in the body of an article (my perception) instead of as a confirmed rumor as mentioned in the citation. However, this example is relatively trivial and will undoubtedly be a moot point on September 26 (new season start) or perhaps sooner if NBC annouces they are joining the cast.Sandcherry (talk) 04:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

International broadcaster clean-up

Okay, so I cleaned up the European/International broadcaster section, as it was a bit of a mess. While I don't know for sure, I'd swear that the show is being shown in different countries as well (I'd assume Israel, for one), so if someone could help beef up that section, it would be appreciated.Mainly.generic (talk) 09:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

International, vandalism?

Okay, I don't know if it's vandalism per se, but someone added a tonne of countries/channels that do not, and have not carried the show. If this happens again, maybe it's worth closing edits? Mainly.generic (talk) 09:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

All the irrelevant entries involve Asian broadcasters. I've been checking out the channels, and none of them check out. If any do, I'll fix them up. Mainly.generic (talk) 09:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

DVD Releases

Hopefully it's not too much of an issue, but I've moved the DVD section to another page, where I'm in the midst of tabulating the DVD releases for the regular seasons, and the specials. Give me a couple hours to complete the tables, and then write up a paragraph or two to tie the whole thing together. Mainly.generic (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Controversy/Criticism Section

Personally, I think having this section, with is very subjective, in the main article is a problem. Better to move it to a new page, where it can be elaborated on (like adding the "f-bomb" incident from a couple episodes back. The main reason I bring this up is that having the information in this main article makes people focus more on Rage in the Machine, rather than SNL. Mainly.generic (talk)

Rage Against the Machine incident

While I don't want to open a hole where every movie that has an SNL-type show gets referenced, Tim Robbins' Bob Roberts has a lengthy fictionalization version of the Rage Against the Machine incident which elucidates the GE-sponsorship criticism almost word-for-word in the way it is expressed in this article. This particular film appearance should be noticed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.145.105 (talk) 15:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

VANDALISM

Can someone put semi-protection on the article? We've been attacked maybe two or three times in the past week by anon ips in the form of text deletions and insertions of BS. Mainly.generic (talk) 12:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Broadway Video

Hey all. Just spent a good week or two taking the Broadway Video from a stub to a full-fledged article. Now I just need people to give it a once-over, mainly for grammar and punctuation. Thanks! Mainly.generic (talk) 12:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Revamp time!

Over the next week or two, I'll be undertaking a massive revamp of the article, with the hope of getting it, quality wise, to something that could be considered eligible for featured article status. Also, if you're adding something to the article, REMEMBER TO CITE!Mainly.generic (talk) 16:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Headlines

Okay, so I'm putting "Writers", "Cast", and "Band" under the headline of Production, as a way of better organising the article. A brief synopsis will go at the start, but that can wait for a bit. Main reason for this change is that headlines should not repeat the title of the article, as when one reads "Writers" on the Saturday Night Live page, they should rightly assume that we are talking about SNL Writers. This is inline with Wiki policy. Mainly.generic (talk) 02:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Filming and photography

Okay, so I stumbled upon the holy grail for the filming and photography section. NBC Production services details exactly what equipment is used within Studio 8H. There's a TON of information there, but it will take a bit of work to integrate it cohesively into the page, so that it doesn't end up dominating the article. Also included is a facilities diagram and a QTVR tour! http://www.nbcproductionservices.com/studio8H.stm Mainly.generic (talk) 03:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

See Also Section

In terms of the most recent edit, I understand why 30 Rock was added. However, I have removed everything except for "Live from New York", with this including Friday, Kids in the Hall, and the aforementioned 30 Rock.

• While the shows may share a "spiritual link" to SNL, they are not spinoffs of the show. Just because they were created by Lorne Michaels, and are mentioned within the article, they do not merit inclusion in the "See Also" section. I recently did a complete overhaul of the Broadway Video article, so if you want to add them somewhere, then put them there.

• The "See Also" section should only include articles that are pertinant, and assist in a reader better understanding the the subject area of Saturday Night Live. Worthy inclusions would be the show's production companies, broadcaster, and so on. In terms of article inclusions, remember, sometimes less is more. Including information that can only be weakly justified cheapens the article.

Mainly.generic (talk) 04:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Awards section

I'm fleshing out the Awards section, and am creating a sub-page for SNL's various awards and nominations. This section in the main article needs a bit added to it, as right now apart from key information, it's pretty sparse. On the awards page, feel free to add relevant awards, but steer clear from small-time honours, such as lists of best shows for any given year by TV critics (note that I'm not disputing the validity of such honours, but that such lists are highly biased, relatively small in scope, and very numerous). That said, I am including a reference to SNL being included on Time magazine's list of 100 best TV shows of all time.

Mainly.generic (talk) 04:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Episode specific page anchors

To aid with navigation, I'm adding invisible anchors next to every show number in the lists of seasons, so that if you were to click on show "641" on one page, it will take you to that show in the associated season. I figure that's it's too Herculian a task to make a page for every episode (I'd love to see this happen, but lets get this page, and associated pages up to FA status first). For a good example of this in action, go to the List of awards and nominations received by Saturday Night Live.

How to create an anchor (using show 641) as a guide:

• On the season page:

{{anchor|show641}}641

• On the linking page:

[[Saturday Night Live (season 34)#show641|641 <br /> (34.5)]]

Mainly.generic (talk) 04:43, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Seasons

• Something seriously needs to be done about the articles for each season. Hardly any of them have even one source, and they're full of trivia (being disguised as "remarks" isn't fooling anyone). THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 07:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

PROPOSAL: Removal of show notes

Earlier today, a major edit was made on the Saturday Night Live (season 35) page, where all show notes were removed. The edits were undone, but they shone a light on an issue that deserves discussion. Add your opinion following this post, and after a reasonable amount of time (say, one month), we'll see what the general consensus is.Mainly.generic (talk) 03:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

• Support. Personally, I am for the removal of the majority of the show notes. As noted by American Metrosexual above, I feel that they are thinly-veiled trivia sections. They are rarely, if ever, sourced, and there is no agreed upon criteria that dictates what is, and what isn't included. For the most part, they are extremely subjective, which is an issue that has plagued most existing SNL articles. I feel if we do want to continue down the path of retaining this information, then episode specific pages would be more appropriate. That said, it would be a MASSIVE task (we're approaching 700 shows), and would still require a hell of a lot of retooling so as to make the information more encyclopedic in nature. I also propose that we remove the DVD information within the infobox, as now that we have a DVD page, that information has become redundant. While ideally I'd like to see the inclusion of ratings information, it would be near impossible to find the information for early shows, which becomes somewhat of a moot point when you consider the Neilsen ratings were overhauled at various points during SNL's run. Mainly.generic (talk) 03:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• Support. It's trivia; that's all there is to it. Why do you think it was all the deleted from List of Saturday Night Live episodes? THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, I think this says it all. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 18:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
• OPPOSE with limits - Leave the notes, but do it within reason. We don't need a statement every time a cast member does not appear in an episode. We don't need a comment about every flubbed line unless it's noteworthy (such as "fucking" instead of "frickin"). We don't need to list each sketch in which every host or musical guest appears. We don't need to list the cameos for people who regularly appear on the show, such as Lorne Michaels. Some editors have tried to make a play-by-play description of each episode. The section is for noteworthy comments, not a reproduction of the script. Edit with some common sense. 71.77.17.46 (talk) 19:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
  • • We don't need to list any of those things. Although the notes are a little interesting, that isn't exactly what Wikipedia is for. A separate Saturday Night Live wiki (or maybe TV.com) would be a better place for that. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 20:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
      • That's a lame argument. Of course Wikipedia includes interesting information. "We don't need to list anything"??? We don't need Wikipedia, but it's a good idea so that's why we have it. 71.77.17.46 (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)