Talk:Axl Rose

Super Hard Rock

Doesn't exist, I changed the genre back to Hard Rock in the info box. Also I removed Guitar=Slash from the infobox. This isn't the guns 'n roses artical and even if it was it would be outdated... MarthsBullet (talk) 23:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Anagram

Interesting, no mention of the popular (apparent rumour) that he chose the name Axl Rose because it was an anagram of Oral Sex.

Gemfyre (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This is already covered in the archives. The reason it's not mentioned is because one, it's not even accurate: his full name is W. Axl Rose, which doesn't work with the anagram. Two, it's already mentioned in the article how he chose his name, we have references for that, and it had nothing to do with the anagram. The 'W. Rose' part is his birth name; the 'Axl' is because he apparently didn't know how to spell 'Axel' correctly (there's an article out there about how he was actually very upset when he realized this). The Oral Sex thing is a popular rumor, but it's never been verified as anything more than that, and all the references we have directly contradict it. A lot of people's names probably turn into amusing anagrams if one puts enough effort into figuring them out, that doesn't mean it belongs in their Wiki bios. DanielEng (talk) 21:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

"Axel" is a Nordic name popular in Germany and Scandinavia. Dunno why he chose it, maybe because of his Viking looks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:00, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

His name comes from AXL, a band he was in before GN'R. I think it was one of his garage bands from Lafayette but I'm not too sure. His garage band was called Dead Life. Funeral 22:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

unlocked like this page should be

Axl Rose was trying to keep people from editing his Wikipage, that aint ganna happen, we got alot of dirt on you buddy and you are going to be exposed.

Keep this page unlocked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.90.15 (talk) 05:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What? Axl has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia.  :-S Funeral 16:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Its this reason why the page is locked, because people with alleged "dirt" want to sully the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.33.176 (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Please provide evidence of what you say is true, that Axl Rose is trying to keep people from editing the page.--Stripedtiger (talk) 05:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone's really taking that IP comment seriously--he put the same remark on the Slash page, IIRC. It's pretty clear that Axl has nothing to do with any of this. The page is locked because it was being vandalized by many IP users on a daily basis, which clearly met the guidelines for protection. DanielEng (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Riots

Is anyone going to add anything on the Vancouver riots? Some guy lost the top half section of his teeth the cops went on a beating spree. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1458577/20021108/guns_n_roses.jhtml --154.5.233.189 (talk) 16:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Axl Rose birth name

The cited source seems a bit ambiguous about his birth name: "I wasn't told I had a real father until I was seventeen. My real father was my stepdad, as far as I knew. But I found some insurance papers, and then I found my mom's diploma, with the last name Rose. So I was never born Bill Bailey. I was born William Rose. I am W. Rose because William was an asshole." It is hard to tell from this whether he didn't consider himself William Bailey or whether his birth certificate actually said "Rose". Anyone have a more definitive citation? - TheDaveRoss (talk) 03:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fairly clear--he said I was never born Willian Bailey. It's also backed up in the Danny Sugerman book and the GQ article cited in the article that Rose was his birth name. Also, since his mother didn't marry Stephen Bailey until he was about three (which is also mentioned in the RS article) and it's been cited many times that Bailey was his stepfather, there's no logical way he could have been born with the name Bailey or had that on his birth certificate originally. DanielEng (talk) 15:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

He clearly didn't like his abusive step dad right off the bat because Bailey was abusive towards him, his mom and his step brother and sister. Rose was wondering why Sharon, his mom, hasn't divorced Bailey long time ago. But when he found out that William Bruce Rose Sr. was his biological dad, he rebelled in earnest against his upbringing, including the strict religious education and he started having trouble with the law. Eventually, he left Indiana bitter against the Midwest and didn't want to have anything to do with either one of his parents, let alone his step dad. So he changed his name back to "Rose", but since he hated his biological father as well, he adopted "W." rather than "William". "AXL" is after one of his early bands, I was told. —Preceding unsigned comment added by William24Crawley (talk • contribs) 18:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Guitar

Is there any reference that Axl plays guitar? --190.43.189.218 (talk) 02:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

He's officially credited as doing so on the Use Your Illusion albums, and can be seen playing in the "Dead Horse" video (up on YouTube). More recently he's played guitar onstage at Rock In Rio in 2001. DanielEng (talk) 22:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

A little piece of trivia that I think should be added. In the television series, Meerkat Manor, two Meerkats are named after him. One named Axel, the other Rose. Is this worthyu enough to be mentioned? Ledgo (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

No, sorry. Trivia sections are discouraged from Wikipedia (see WP:TRIVIA).

Second Baritone ?????????????????//

Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A50sJU3UJVE Not only he is a baritone, but a bass-baritone. 189.83.113.119 (talk) 19:43, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Axl Rose is a fuckin tenor.I'm a baritone and i high one i can say and i can't even reach some roses songs not because i'm not trained but because i was born like that.So don't write something because someone told it to show that he is not just the hard rock singer.Baritones can't sing high b's in full voice only a few can and those one's are ten times better vocalists than Axl Rose.

Please be civil when posting comments.

As per the citations given in the article, Rose is a second baritone, and has stated that himself. How your voice compares to his, or your personal assessment of his voice and talent, is of no consequence. Unless you have reliable references which can provide solid proof that the three given in the article are wrong please refrain from deleting and changing information in the future.DanielEng (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Like many successful singers Axl has a baritone voice and a strong head voice, and he usually uses one or the other (e.g. listen to the beginning and the end of of "Nightrain" -- he doesn't mix them). I'd classify him as a baritone because his head voice isn't particularly high quality, although it works for the style of music he sings. He's probably more comfortable singing in chest voice! 82.32.74.253 (talk) 22:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

--poppunk rocks (talk) 12:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Guys please i don't want to cry.Axl Rose is a tenor 100%.My music teacher sings 30 years in opera and he can't sing high b notes.Axl Rose hits them with ease on full voice. --poppunk rocks (talk) 12:48, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Αcording to the wikipedia article on baritones a baritone is capable of singing from low f to high g notes.Although this can be extended at either end only verdi baritones can hit those high b notes full voiced.So Axl Rose must be either a tenor or Verdi baritone and Verdi he is not.

Once again: WP:PROVEIT. Wiki really doesn't care about what your voice teacher can do or your personal assessment of Rose's voice, and neither count as a reliable source. If you can find reliable sources that contradict what is in the article, feel free to share them here. Otherwise, please stop changing the data. The sources we have--several of them, including Rose's own words--cite him as a second baritone.DanielEng (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

--85.74.224.233 (talk) 10:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)I said about the WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE.Is it wrong too?

Vocal classification, to the weak extent it can be applied to rock music, is about tessitura, not range. Just because Axl can hit tenor notes, doesn't mean that's his most comfortable voice to sing in. 77.101.46.138 (talk) 12:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree about Axl Rose being a "Tenor". It is more credible in my opinion that Axl is a tenor with a remarkable range, rather than a very very gifted Baritone. I'm not saying he isn't a skillful singer, but a Baritone singing that high for so many years?? Surely, some of you haven't heard of Robert Plant.

The "voice type" field in the musical artist infobox template is intended for classical vocalists. This position is supported by Voice type and Voice classification in non-classical music. In the rare instance when a reliable source exists to support a voice type for a non-classical vocalist (i.e. Maria Carey) the source must be provided for inclusion in the infobox. I will revert the entry in this field for this page, if you disagree please comment at the talk page for the musical artist infobox. The above comments and the information in the infobox may be true but is not verifiable. J04n(talk page) 12:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Biased pages?

I find that pages about one or the other character tend to be pretty biased in favour of the character the article is about. I.e. in an article about Pamela Anderson, her divorce from Tommy Lee is depicted as a result of "gross abuse" and the one about Tommy Lee is the other way around -- and I saw it again in this article when it comes to Rose's feud with Vince Neil. Maybe something could be done to straighten this problem out? I know this is a minor talk page to cite such a great problem in; but we've got to start somewhere! -After all, being biased isn't exactly very encyclopedic... Nizingur (talk) 17:57, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Nizingur

I don't know anything about what happens on the Tommy Lee page, but on this page, everything is backed up with reliable sources, which can be checked by clicking on the footnotes. In the case of the feud between Rose and Neil, care has been taken to keep the text as neutral as possible: in The Dirt, Neil claims that Rose backed out of the scheduled fistfight; materials from the Guns N' Roses camp claim the opposite, that Neil backed out. Who is telling the truth? We don't know. The only thing we know for certain is that Rose and Neil never actually hooked up and had their duel. The text reflects this: saying "both sides accused the other of backing out" is about as neutral as one can get. It sides with neither Neil nor Rose's version of events.

In terms of the original punch itself, we do know that it happened, and that it happened just as it is written in the article. Neil takes full responsibility for it in The Dirt--he very clearly states that he hit Izzy at the VMA, and gives details about the incident. There were also other witnesses to the assault, since it happened backstage at the VMAs, and it was reported in various mainstream media outlets. However, the assault against Sharise Neil is only "alleged" because a) there aren't any witnesses who have come forward; b) Neither Sharise Neil nor Stradlin have ever said anything publicly about it; c) Stradlin was never charged with any sort of crime. We can't write that Stradlin definitely did anything to Sharise because there simply aren't any reliable sources for it. Neil's punch can be verified; Stradlin's cannot.

If you have specific problems with something in an article, the first thing to do is a) check the sources given in the footnotes to see if it can be verified; b) ask for a source, if none is given; c) talk about it on the Talk Page, just as you have done here. DanielEng (talk) 18:04, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Axl on immigrants?

Considering the controversy of the song "One in a million," shouldn't Axl's attack on immigrants who "come to our country" and "spread some f**kin disease" etc. be included? 75.7.28.219 (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

See [1] and here. [2] It's fully covered. The outcry wasn't so much about the immigrant lyric but about the other slurs in the song. DanielEng (talk) 20:52, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Hollywood Rose

the article said that he was part of LA buns, but he was actually the frontman for Hollywood Rose, which merged with LA buns, didnt it? cuz then tracii buns left? some help here would be appreciated. (info from slashs book)99.251.217.54 (talk) 22:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Tenor

He's a tenor.--141.209.214.34 (talk) 05:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

The Infamous Anagram Conundrum

I was just reading the article when I remembered something I've heard years ago. This being the fact that 'Axl Rose' is an anagram of 'Oral Sex'. I highly doubt that this was intentional, but it is fun to point out. I also highly doubt that it would be article worthy, as it could be seen as mean or unnecessary. What I am wondering however is this: "If the name was intentional, and somehow, somebody got a reference that it was true, would it be notable to mention on the article." Now, I haven't read the whole article myself, so I don't know if it might be hinted somewhere there already. All in all, I just want to find an answer to this: "If a reference were found, and held true, that a certain aspect of a person or place were somehow negative, would it be Wikipedia worthy?" I think that, no, it shouldn't be, but I know others who may think the other way. I'm not trying to settle some form of dispute here, as there is none. I merely wish to find the answer from other Wikipedians. Any comment or view would be greatly appreciated.

-Peace Out!-

mÆniac ^Ask! 22:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The anagram thing is just pure urban myth (an interesting one, though!) He named himself Axl after he briefly played in a band of the same name, you can check that out in the article. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 05:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Interesting - even when citing a source you can't rely on people who edit these pages. When discussing the Montreal riot after the GNR concert it says that Axl left the stage after 50 minutes and then cites a source - the source says he left after 15 minutes. Incidentally, despite the quote - no refunds were offered to fans.

November 23, 2008 is the Sunday prior to Thanksgiving Day

Hello, in the paragraph below, it should read that the release date for the album is the Sunday prior to Thanksgiving Day, if, in fact, the release date is November 23, 2008.

On October 22, 2008, a new release date was officially announced for Chinese Democracy: November 23, 2008 (the Sunday after Thanksgiving Day). The album will be exclusively released through North America's largest chain of electronics stores, Best Buy.

Thanks.

Smithtodda (talk) 21:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Axl wants GNR reuinion?

Didn't Axl state that he wnated to get the AFD lineup back together on december 4th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.198.113.60 (talk) 01:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

That would be wonderful. However, nobody currently knows where Axl is Zazaban (talk) 06:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he denied that on december 13th Casino321 (talk) 17:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance

Is it true that Axl Rose has been missing for over a month? If so, it would be worth mentioning in the article, and adding him to Category:Disappeared People Zazaban (talk) 03:50, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

For everyone holding out on hope

According to his new interview with Billboard, Axl pretty much says the Grim Reaper will have to collect either him or Slash first before there's any reunion between the two. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 03:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Then I guess then they can kiss the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame out the door. (Trentc (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC))

Singing In Church

Hey, I don't know if anyone cares enough, but... My mother-in-law is Steve Bailey's sister (Axl Roses' Aunt), she said that half of the bio. info is terribly inaccurate. She mentioned specifically that Bill never sang at their church. You should take everything Bill says with a grain of salt, he has never been known for his great honesty. Just for the record :-P On a totally separate note, by wife and I have some excellent personal photos from his childhood and also later if they could be of any use, not sure. Like old school photos and junk. Or if someone wants to buy them, they are certainly for sale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.45.203 (talk) 07:16, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Great idea man, if your telling the truth, that is. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Whistling Style

When you talk of Rose, you can not leave out the influences of one Andrew Gallagher. On a vacation to the greater Chicago area in the mid 70s, young William befriended Andrew. Andrew, a renown whistler from the now defunked Gallagher/Hodges SnapWhistle duo, taught William these skills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.197.19.244 (talk) 23:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Genoan Gigolo?

It says that axl believed his father was a genoan gigolo. I looked that up at the source and it was true. In an interview he said he believed his father was a genoan gigolo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.16.102.123 (talk) 11:10, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Instruments

Axl Rose is clearly credited for playing guitar on the song "Dead Horse." I placed it under the instruments tab. Also, in 'Slash,' by Slash, he states that the orchestra in 'November Rain' and the trumpets and other effects in 'Live and Let Die,' were all synthesizers, played by Axl Rose. This is an electronic instrument, and I added it. Thank you.

Attempted correction to introduction

Just noticed that the article as it was contradicted itself on the matter of Axl's birth name. The header paragraph claimed he was born William Bruce Bailey Jr. (the Jr. part didn't even make sense because his step-father was Stephen Bailey, not William) but the first paragraph of the Biography section states that he was born William Bruce Rose. To my knowledge the 2nd version is correct, and the article linked to as a reference in the header actually seems to substantiate this, so I've edited the first paragraph to hopefully clarify the situation, however I'm not entirely sure of the clarity of the wording so if anyone would like to clean it up a little it would be appreciated. Danikat (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

ATTENTION ------ NAME

It makes no sence that it says in the article that Axl was born with the last-name from a man his mother meets 2 years after axls birth... someone please correct this... thank you...

Please sign your posts, and can anyone read the next section please. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Where does it say that? I thought every instance of the name confusion had been sorted out. Danikat (talk) 16:46, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Could you help?

I'm wondering if someone can censor the swear words in the quotes on this page and in other Guns 'N' Roses articles, not get rid of them, just diguise them, with these..... *********.... could you do that please, I'm sure it will make many people happy, you don't have to, I just think it would be nice if the swear words were covered up. Mcjm4796 (talk) 16:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether we want to or not, according to Wikipedia policy (specifcally WP:CENSORED) we're not allowed to censor material simply for being offensive to some people.

If you believe a quote has been added for no other reason than to add swear words to the article then you could replace it with an alternative that says the same thing but doesn't include swearing. But if you're thinking of anything in the section on One In A Million then you're probably out of luck. Trying to explain the controversy caused by that song without using the words in question would be almost impossible and almost certinally get reverted because it'd actually lead to a less informative article. Danikat (talk) 17:03, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism or Bias?

It says that Rose (in the intro) wants to destroy GNR while furthering his solo career. sounds pretty POV to me.