Talk:Phantasy Star III

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Someone posted this into the article:

(I think there is confusion here. in PSII Parma was destroyed, and Parma is the 1st planet of Algol/Algo system. This was 1,000yrs prior to PSIV, and if the Generations of PSIII is correct, it could very well have taken place at roughly those intervals. PSIII has no definition in the AW time chronology. However I must note if the canon is to be correct with PSIV when Wren and Chaz discuss the other escaped "Worldships" from Parma, they could easily end up on Earth in good time. Especially the warp-hole suggestion. I forgot the exact quote from Chaz but it's along the lines of "So they could still be out there, floating in space.." and therefore does indeed make a partial reference to PSIII as it relates to PSII and the original, as we all know the first two are almost directly connected. I'll leave this as it is until others deliberate and whoever wrote the original article takes my thought into consideration, but I do believe the time was a jump ahead or back only partially, as the journey between planets is indescribable without knowing their light-speed travel. Unless it is a loophole and the ending of PSIII coincides with the ending from PSII but the planetary numbers seem all wrong to me. Maybe canon maybe a fudge.)

 Doktor  Wilhelm  18:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think there's no confusion at all. It was clear that they traveled through time and space, million of years to the past. 84.90.24.156 (talk) 21:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The character pictures

So what's the justification for removing the character images on the page? They were up there for a while and I think most people found them helpful. --The Winslow (talk) 07:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Twenty-three images is a lot of copyrighted material to claim fair use on; one of the major criteria listed there is "significance", which I don't think character portraits, especially of minor characters, have. Nifboy (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

True, but to remove them all? Even the main 1st-gen characteR? That's very heavy-handed.Jinnai (talk) 17:05, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You mean the one on the front cover of the box art? Nifboy (talk) 06:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Endings

Adan and Aron's ending (coincidentally, both half-layan, half-orakian descendants of Rhys) are the only two which bear any similarity.

This is not totally accurate. In both Crys' and Adan's ending they discovers the same planet. In both cases, the last sentence of the game is exactly the same: "Hello, this is Aerone. Thanks for your help. We're once again back on our original course. Without you, Dark Force would have prevailed. We're going toward the brightest star up ahead. We're heading for one of its planets--the third one out from the star. It seems perfect for us. At last, our journey is almost over!"

Crys's ending sees the Alisa III approaching a possible new home...the third planet from the nearest star - a blue world with two moons.

Actually is a more green than blue (but its acceptable blue-greenish world). However that planet doesn’t possess two moons. Those two worlds are probably the first and the second planets of that star system... definitely not moons.

PSIII: Moon near Earth: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4276/26423940rz3.jpg
PSIII: The 3 planets: http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/434/11179685tj9.jpg
PSO: By the way; that planet from PSIII resembles Ragol: http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7743/52986296ka1.jpg
PSO: And Ragol also shows two planets: http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2447/27375976ma5.jpg

Newsblade (talk) 11:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

One of those could be a moon... however it's more distant than Earth's moon on the other ending. The other seams an independent planet. 88.157.62.85 (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

Supposedly, this game takes place concurrently with Phantasy Star IV, as both games are claimed to occur 1,000 years after the events of Phantasy Star II, though this is never firmly established. In fact, in the Japanese version of the game, the events take place 1,000 years after the events in Phantasy Star IV. This has important consequences in the continuity. First of all, it means that the Devastation War between Laya and Orakio in the US version took place only a little while after leaving Palma. In the Japanese version, it means that Dark Force is still present, despite the sealing away of the Profound Darkness in Phantasy Star IV.

I don't agree with the consequences in continuity regarding Dark Force and PDarkness. In English version PSIII starts 1000 years after PSII, that's correct. But even in the english version DF still continues to exist after PD has been defeated in Motavia (1000 years after PSII (PSIV)), since PSIII ends 33, 34 and 35 years after Rhys had married. Even if Rhys story happens before the millenium the question is "how many years before? 33, 34 or 35 before AW2284?

As we can see the same problem occurs in overseas version. 84.90.24.156 (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Removal of links and improve tags

It looks like the unofficial links have been removed, and several improvement tags added.

Unofficial links: There pretty much are no official links. The fan sites were the best that could be done.

Plot: I agree that it's a bit long.

Characters: I don't see what needs improving. Elaborate.

Really, I wish there was always a "why" on the Talk page when such tags are added. Just adding them doesn't say much.

BenoitRen (talk) 00:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I also think the removal of links was done without considering. WP:EL clearly allows unofficial sites to be listed if they meet certain criteria. And as said, in this case there is no official site for the games. I think the deleted fansites should be reviewed. Especially phantasy-star.net qualifies for "What should be linked #3: Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons." The content of that site could never be integrated into Wikipedia because of the detail but provides useful, thorough and neutral reading for anyone who wishes to read more on this subject.--Fogeltje (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Full Article Changes 7/23/08

I've almost completely revamped the plot section, something that made me feel ambivalent, because I respect all of the work put in by the original author(s). However, seeing as though the plot section was too long (and tagged for it), and because it contained not only spoilers, but an explanation of the entire game, it needed to be trimmed down to a summary. Incidentally, since there was no gameplay section, I took some of the plot section that was relevant and put it into a new gameplay section. A summary of the changes is below:

• Removed endings; not only were they spoilers, but they contained POV
• Attempted to remove all spoilers
• Trimmed the whole plot synopsis down to a smaller summary, leaving some room for the players to discover the events of the game on their own
• Removed the tag about the length of the plot section
• Changed "winged demon" to "dragon", as the game clearly states that you-know-who is the dragon prince.
• Other minor changes

I've also made sweeping changes to the characters section as detailed below:

• Attempted to remove all spoilers
• Trimmed character descriptions down. Given that the characters barely speak, there is not much to indicate their personalities in the game itself (not counting any outside commentary), and much of what was written was speculation. There was also an excess of POV and "fan speculation", which really doesn't belong in this article.
• Grouped all characters from a given generation under one header for each generation. I placed Wren and Mieu in the first generation, as that is where they first appear, but give mention to the fact that they remain playable throughout all three generations.

Finally, I removed the trivia section and integrated most of it into the new "Series continuity" section. I placed the rest under "development notes" - which could stand to be expanded like the Phantasy Star IV article. I don't have that information, nor do I wish to research it right now, so I leave that to others. As for the apparent Dark Force continuity problem, it was deleted, as there actually isn't a continuity problem at all. It is not merely "suggested", but plainly stated in Phantasy Star IV, that Dark Force is an intense projection of the PD's hate-filled spirit. It is clearly mentioned that there is more than one Dark Force. Godheval (talk) 17:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

6Mbit cartridge instead of 16Mbit

The ROM size is actually 768KB - which translates to 6Mbit. The Wikipedia page previously listed this game as a 16Mbit cartridge - this is incorrect. Furthermore, the game was first released in 1990 - 16Mbit cartridges were too expensive to produce back then and most games were either 4Mbit or 8Mbit at that point - this was the same year when the Super Nintendo was first released in Japan and nearly all the games were 4Mbit in size.

You can verify this for yourself by checking out the Mega Drive/Genesis ROM lists and check out the size of the ROM. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.30.88.83 (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Continuity section

I'm wondering if this game has anything to do with the second PS. At the end of that game (major spoilers ahead) The mother brain is destroyed and the climate controls on Mota/Motavia collapse, thus it turns back to desert. PS4 seems to be a good sequel to PS2. But what does this Orakio and Laya the worldship and satelitte have to do with the Algo star system, is there any connection at all? The snare (talk) 12:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this game is connected to Phantasy Star II. The worldship where this game takes place is one of the two remaining ships from the fleet of 400 that fled Palma before it was destroyed. BenoitRen (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Developers

Someone should include information about the development team behind this game. I read once that a different team from the first two worked on this one. Is there any mention how this game is considered to be different in style to the others? Renfield (talk) 17:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC) Renfield