Talk:Nutella

"not recommended for people with allergy to nuts"

Why is this needed? The fact that the product is called Nutella kind of makes it obvious that it contains nuts? -Grim- 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Nutella is made with hazelnuts, but it may not be obvious that people with severe allergies to peanuts might also react to it, whether due to possible traces of peanuts, or maybe antigenic similarities between hazelnuts and peanuts. Either way, best to be safe, since some people can have life-threatening allergic reactions. Many companies will also put warnings on products to protect themselves against lawsuits, even in obvious cases. For example, I'm pretty sure that jars of peanut butter say "ALLERGY INFORMATION:CONTAINS PEANUTS". --Kyoko 17:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

"jars of peanut butter say "ALLERGY INFORMATION:CONTAINS PEANUTS""... Are you serious?-Grim- (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you overestimate people a little. ALTON .ıl 21:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Not sure if the BBC reference is right. I searched the article and found nothing on Nutella. If its just about nuts and allergy, isnt it kind of well known? kGomadam —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.148.195.122 (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not just the companies who are taking labeling initiatives, Kyoko In the US, the Food and Drug Admistration *requires* the manufacturer of any food that may have *even the slightest chance* of coming in contact with an item on the FDA Severe Food Allergies List (what's the real name of the list called?) must have that suspect allergic ingredient stated on the label, whether it's used in the food product or not. This gives you odd warnings like "This Product Contains Nuts of Nut Products" notices on peanut butter or obvious cautions like "This Product Contains Soy" on bags of bean curd or bottles of soy sauce. Also, per USFDA regs, foods that don't contain such allergic products, but are processed and handled by the same machinery (a warehouse conveyer or lift, for example) have a very slight change of containing an allergic compound and must also be labeled appropriately. (i.e. "processed on equipment that also processes nuts and dairy") For food items where a certain ingredient name is not readily identifiable by Average Moe Consumer, FDA regs require to list the technical source of the ingredient - if a food has milk protein " processed casein" as one of it's ingredients, then the label must read "Contains Dairy" Likewise "hydrolyzed vegetable protein" (usually derived from soybeans, as they're quite high in protein,) earns the item "Contains Soy" comment. Again with Gluten, Shellfish or other important allergens. As Kyoko said above a couple of years ago, it's a disclaimer against lawsuits, but more than that it's about labeling safety in processed foods.

The US went at this in earnest beginning with the FDA's Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act of 2004 and various works in progress. For the curious, The US FDA keeps a basic FALCPA page with more information on the subject matter in regards to US regs on Yet Another US FDA Page. IMHO, some mildly interesting information, if not a bit disturbing -- just when *did* humans start becoming more food alergic? Is it just an American thing? Seems I've read quite a few stories out of the UKoGBNI and Her antipodal commonwealths over the past years, they I may not have been listening correctly.  ;-)

Fernblatt (talk) 06:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Advertising complaints

TRANS FATS IN NUTELLA? Since it's much like peanut butter, the question is inevitable--at least for people who want to know what they're eating! I have contacted the company in Italy several times with this simple question, and they have steadfastly avoided giving me a clear yes-or-no answer to the question: 'does their product contain trans fats (i.e. partially hydrogenated veg. oil)?' Instead, they informed me that the vegetable fat in Nutella is 'very healthy' nut oil. From this, I conclude that the product must indeed contain industrial trans fats, only they don't want to admit it (for if Nutella didn't contain these, there should be no problem for them to state the fact--and it would be an advertising plus for them to be able to say so). The USA website gives no information, and there is no e-mail address. The info there about the peanut oil seems intended to convince people that the oil used is no issue. And why is there no recipe given for Nutella sold in Denmark? Perhaps because it is not available there, since trans fats are practically banned in that country? (Please don't remove this comment--it is intended to contribute to the discussion which has already been started here--thanks.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.141.224 (talk) 12:22, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Why would you assume that there are trans-fats in Nutella? The purpose of using partially hydrogenated oils in food production is to make oils that are normally liquid at room tempurature (~20°C, 68°F)(i.e, those with predominantly unsaturated fats) become solid or semi-solid at room tempurature (highly saturated fats). Nutella (at least in the USA), uses palm oil, which is semi-solid at room tempurature (high in saturated fat) and does not need to be hydrogenated in order to remain semi-solid. The ingredient list clearly states "modified palm oil", and in this case, the modification consists of a process to REMOVE some of the unsaturated fatty acids from the palm oil, giving it a higher concentration of saturated fat. Hydrogenation, on the other hand, is a process that chemically CONVERTS existing unsaturated fatty acid molecules into saturated fatty acid molecules, creating artificial trans-fats as a byproduct. Food labeling laws are quite strict in the US, and if partially hydrogenated oils are used, they MUST be listed in the ingredients as "partially hydrogenated", not simply as "palm oil" or "modified palm oil", or "vegetable oil". Since the label does not indicate the presence of hydrogenated oils and modified palm oil itself contains contains no naturally occurring trans-fats (since it is not an animal product), we can reasonably conclude that Nutella DOES NOT CONTAIN TRANS-FATS. -Diego Gravez 00:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

> Why would you assume that there are trans-fats in Nutella?

There definitely used to be, at least in the US. I looked at the list of ingredients a couple of years ago, and was perplexed by the claim of "0 g trans fats" given the presence of hydrogenated oils in the list of ingredients. I wrote to them and they confirmed my suspicion that the "0 g" was merely the result of rounding down, which is apparently allowed under what passes for US law. (I believe that there has been a change in the ingredients in the US within the past year, so this may no longer be the case.) However, at least in the US, industry is constantly trying to wiggle out of its responsibility to society by (re)writing the law to allow deceptive labeling, and has made attempts to allow hydrogenated oils to be called by different names. Most people don't have the time to keep up with never-ending stream of deceptions allowed under US law. Maybe the Ferrero company is above this. I don't know. But, in answer to your question of "why would you assume ...", the reason why is that many industries in the US cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Thomas.Hedden (talk) 01:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I want to clarify my removal of the advertisement complaints section. Simply put, it's unnecessary. There's only one verifiable complaint -just one!- not many. There must be significant dissent with Nutella's advertising claims, otherwise it isn't worth mentioning on Wikipedia. One person's viewpoint skews the reader's perception. Sure, it was a silly commercial, and the biggest point was never even made by the plaintiff; that is, the children's teacher was not billed or certified as a dietitian and has zero authority on the subject. She also may have no idea what she's even talking about.

Also, the part about sugar was incorrect. Sugar by itself is a high GI-food, but I doubt these kids were packed off to school with lunchboxes full of pure crystalline sucrose. Other food will lower the glycemic index of the carbohydrates (like sucrose, which is what most people think of when "sugar" is mentioned) in their meals. The US Dietary Guidelines might have mentioned something about the sugar rush if it mattered in meal planning. Check bullet #5, it just talks about moderation.

I seconded. Dancheng 13:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the POV notice as this doesn't constitute a POV dispute.... BCorr|Брайен 19:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ferrero

Ferrara makes it. as far as i know it's from italy so why to mention that the french places sell it?????????? Zisa

Actually, the company is Ferrero in Germany (or perhaps Switzerland).

Why mention it? Have you tried a Nutella croissant or a Nutella crepe? The Italians might have invented the stuff, but when it comes to serving it, the French have definitely taken Nutella to a new level! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.6.57.196 (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

The company's name is indeed Ferrero, and yes, it is based in Italy. One can easily tell that by all the work on Nutella's official Italian site and Nutella's community site hosted on the same place, something you won't find on the foreign versions (like the US one itself). In fact, I'm thinking of adding those two links to the article.

About the French comment, Nutella is a very famous product all over Europe. The crêpes comment was probably added because people in France discovered that it goes well with Nutella, thus becoming a popular snack. I guess that's all. Mackeriv 04:26, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There may be more than one formula of Nutella. The ingredient list in the article matches the one on the official U.S. site (http://www.nutellausa.com/nutrition.htm). I have seen containers of Nutella from Italy, however, and they do not appear to list any partially hydrogenated oils in the ingredients (the only oil appears to be listed as "oli vegetali," or vegetable oil). I can't say for sure, but I expect that Nutella from Europe, or at least Italy, does not contain any trans fats. Can anyone confirm this? I found a discussion (thread starts at post 11) on just this topic, but no definitive answer. Optimizer 22:28, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The ingredients posted are in fact from a US jar. I strongly suspect that the actual ingredients in Nutella are the same everywhere it is made. I think the difference you see may come from differing requirements in how ingredients are listed. Partially hydrogenated peanut oil is a type of vegetable oil, so both could be referring to the same physical substance. While this is all speculation, we could get closer to the answer by finding out if any products in Italy specifically mention hydrogenated oil in their ingredients. -SCEhardt 05:04, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Based on subjective tests, the formulation of Nutella does in fact differ by the country in which it is produced. The Nutella sold in Germany is, for example, vastly superior to that made in the US plant, while being only a slight improvement over that produced in Austria. This is no doubt why Europeans eat the stuff by the ton, while it has yet to make much of an impression on American consumers. If you have ever had a Coke in Europe, you'll know that companies inexplicably change formulations of products based on 'local tastes,' which I expect involves finding the cheapest possible production methods and ingredients in each country.

About the pronunciation of "Gnutella" - I was under the impression that software names derived from the GNU project were pronounced with a hard 'G' (to distinguish it from the animal I suppose) like G'nome (unlike the garden gnome), etc. --Millard73 05:24, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Nupedia

Was this term also the precursor of the coinage of Nupedia which later became Wikipedia? (unsigned comment from anon)

Nudossi?

Can anyone confirm the claim that the East German equivalent was called Nudossi? Considering Ossi is a West German semiderogatory term for an East German, it seems more likely that this is a joke. --Angr (tɔk) 12:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

It looks legit to me unless it is an incredibly prevalent joke. See: [1] -SCEhardT 14:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

It is true! However, this product exists since the late 1960's. The term Ossi was almost unknown at this time, particularly in East Germany. The use of Ossi and Wessi emerged in the 1990's.

see also: http://vadossi.de/nudossi/index2.html Mintaru 06:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

!Yum!

I eat nutella everyday in the morning it tastes very nice it is chocolatey. Why does it sometimes go very runny in the bottle? Do people in other countries eat nutella? I never knew this site had such a broad range of topics it even has stuff on nutella! yum! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.26.16.67 (talk)

Yes, it is sold in the States and it goes runny becuase it relates to science, becuase it expands with the heat. Kilo-Lima|^(talk)

When I'm having 'fat' days, I like to drink Nutella. Women's psychology... it makes me feel fatter... but we enjoy feeling miserable, I think. 58.166.243.40 11:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Is there a food group that includes strange brown sauces such as Nutella, Vegemite, and Marmite? - Amorwikipedia 20:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

This article is not NPOV. If it does not assert unequivocally that Nutella is the most delicious food on Earth, then it is biased against Nutella. Octavabasso (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

In english, I have always heard the 'u' pronounced as a schwa. What's the source for the pronunciations given? Stevage 14:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I've always heard it pronounced as noo-tell-uh

Clearly it varies from place to place. In southern England I think I’ve always heard the first syllable pronounced to rhyme with ‘nut’. Err, as ‘nut’ is pronounced in southern England. How is it pronounced in adverts—again in different parts of the world? That would be semi-authoritative. —Ian Spackman 07:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this needs to be specified. I've NEVER heard anyone say it with a schwa in the first syllable. At least in America, it's "noo-TELL-uh". Can we change this something reflecting the US/UK difference in pronunciation?

I agree. I have lived in several regions in the US and I have NEVER heard the product referred to as nut-ELL-uh (first syllable rhyming with "nut", whether nʌt, or nət), but always as noo-TELL-a, so referring to that as the standard "English" pronunciation is misleading. -Diego Gravez 21:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Most Canadians switch between either pronunciation. Yay for multiculturalism.

Ingredients - USA

Hello, vanillin is not considered an artificial flavour-its substitute bourbonal is. 01:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

wrong, "Artificial vanilla flavoring is a solution of pure vanillin, usually of synthetic origin" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.34.95.41 (talk) 06:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

stereotypical container

What is a stereotypical container? --Gbleem 23:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Competitors

In Australia "Sweet William"? Never heard of it. "Sweet william spread" only yields 4 results in Google. I'm deleting it. 203.171.193.113 07:24, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That search is probably too restrictive. Here's a slightly better one, which yields about 20,000 hits, including each of the products offered by that company. Adding the word "spread" to the search reduces it to about 1,000 results. I'm not going to undo your edits, I'm only citing this so other editors can inspect the results. Mindmatrix 14:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

It’s nut-free, which seems to me to make it distinctly marginal. —Ian Spackman 07:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Availability in USA

Nutella was available in the USA in the 70's. As a child I would buy it at local mainstream food stores. It did not cost much more than a jar of peanut butter so it was not too expensive and certainly not hard to find. But than, maybe this was only true in the New York metroplitan area where I grew up. The article as written is misleading on this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.146.118 (talk) 14:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

just bought a jar yesterday in amarillo walmart

Popular in Canada?

Nutella popular in Canada?? Where?? Sure, it might be available in grocery stores but the bottles are always dusty because nobody buys it. I would guess that it might be popular with European expats but apart from that, the average Canadian has probably never bought the stuff or even heard of Nutella. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.4.163 (talk) 15:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I don't know which Canada you're living in, because where I live, it's quite popular.68.149.121.27 (talk) 03:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Ditto, especially in Western Canada.

Listed ingredients table

Can someone fix the listed ingredients table so it appears under composition like it's supposed to instead of at the bottom of the page? I'd do it myself, but I'm at a loss when it comes to computer code. PeRiDoTs13 (talk) 20:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Picture caption

The jar in the picture is from Germany, not from Spain as it said before. One can even see the German print ("mit dem Besten aus gut 1/3 Liter entrahmter Milch") on the label.--86.103.202.16 (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Article was gutted

On 2009-10-19, this article was robust, if somewhat bloated.

On 2009-10-20, the article was completely gutted by an overzealous editor, SluggoOne.  75% of the article was wholesale removed at once.  Good form.

I'm going to reinstate the ingredients list.  If anything else of value was lost, I don't personally know about it, but someone else might.  For me, it's nice to be able to benefit from the superior consumer protection and labeling laws in countries outside of North America.  Please don't take that away from us.  Especially in Canada, you can hide an entire food product under "spices" or "natural flavor".  It's bad.

I'm bringing this up because SluggoOne never bothered to.  That, to me, is important.  I'm sorry, but I refuse to assume good faith here; that was forfeited when such a massive edit was undertaken without any discussion whatsoever.  Too often have I seen articles secretly deteriorate because people remove information in ostensibly mundane edits.  Please discuss large scale changes on the talk pages, rather than hiding them in nondescript edit summaries.  Thanks.

--99.240.223.41 (talk) 22:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Cocoa

Cocoa is a disambiguation page; likely all links to it from this article intend cocoa powder but there is a chance they intend chocolate liquor. I have tagged some of the links {{dn}}. --Una Smith (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2010 (UTC)