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  The Biography Barnstar
  Long overdue for your tireless efforts in upholding WP:BLP. – ukexpat (talk) 04:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
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  The BLP Barnstar
  In recognition of your work and vigilance at the WP:BLP/N noticeboard. I can remember times when BLP/N seemed to have tumbleweeds blowing through it ... it is good to see BLP issues in biographies resolved and addressed, regardless of how famous or popular the subject is. Thank you.JN466 15:05, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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  The Barnstar of Diligence
  For taking on the joyless task of editing the partisan hell of political biography. Rsloch (talk) 22:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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  The Anti-Flame Barnstar
  For taking the time to care to help cool me down when I was acting like a ^;^ d**k Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

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Holy Sh*t

[[1]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 19:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

How does it go, ride, boldly ride, if you seek for El dorado. Off2riorob (talk) 19:34, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Eldorado

Gaily bedight, A gallant knight

In sunshine and in shadow, Had journeyed long, Singing a song, 'In search of Eldorado.

But he grew old- This knight so bold- And o'er his heart a shadow Fell as he found No spot of ground That looked like Eldorado.

And, as his strength Failed him at length, He met a pilgrim shadow- "Shadow," said he, "Where can it be- This land of Eldorado?"

"Over the Mountains Of the Moon, Down the Valley of the Shadow, Ride, boldly ride," The shade replied- "If you seek for Eldorado!"

Edgar Allan Poe

pimp that cadillac on 24's —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.211.27.5 (talk) 01:56, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Blessings of cake and camaraderie ...

Free at last, amigo. Free at last. Cheers. Proofreader77 ^(interact) 06:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, what a night, groovy. Off2riorob (talk) 06:49, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Seeing as all of the talk has thus far been on my own talkpage. I just wished to thank you on your own talkpage for bringing my attention to the hoax issue. A very serious issue for wikipedia even though some editors may not have initially realised, including myself. I think I will re-add Arthur de Rothschild at some point soon because he was obviously notable and a good, if minor, addition to the project. But you were right in following the leads you had. Polargeo (talk) 12:04, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

It was quite exciting, a fantastic hoax. I didn't Know Arthur got deleted in the mellee, he was at least real and quite a noted member of the family, lets get him replaced. Thanks to you for taking the time (and belief) to look deeper into it. Off2riorob (talk) 19:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Another significant Rothschild missing from Wikipedia is Maurice (c. 1881-1957), son of Edmond. He was a minor politician involved in a bribery scandal, considered a wastrel, and later in life made his own large fortune trading in commodities and stocks after he fled from Europe.Benf64 (talk) 03:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, I guess. Kind of funny (pretending to be nobility, for the recognition and standing, is such a quaint mischief), kind of sad. Benf64 (talk) 03:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if he put the energy into something real he would likely be doing very well. Off2riorob (talk) 03:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Ben, you are very welcome to create the article, you seem to have good Knowledge in the field. Off2riorob (talk) 03:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Christo Re

Thank you for your Corcovado Christ. It's one of my favourites, with il Cristo Re de Bienno (Italy) a little one, overlooking the valley ...

Statua di Cristo Re (Timo Bortolotti - 1930)

--Raymondnivet (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

• And thank you for the gunfight at the OK Corral. Hmmm ... Mice contrast with image. :-) Proofreader77 ^(interact) 01:57, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		I think you deserve this for your tireless yet unpaid-for hard work, and impressive contributions over the years :) Regards Scieberking (talk) 16:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Scieberking, you overstate my contributions but thank you for your thoughts, obsession might be a better description recently, regards to you too. Off2riorob (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

18694 edits is obviously something I don't see everywhere. I've been around barely two months though and I love giving barnstars. Regards Scieberking (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Graciously accepted. Off2riorob (talk) 17:17, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Tammy Jennings

Hi. When you asked for a copy of this article in your user space, I did it by undeleting and moving the article. A consequence, which I hadn't thought about, is that the copy you have is the "master" in the sense that it has the history attached, and is the one which will need to be restored if she is elected at the end of March. I don't think that actually matters as long as we both remember it - I don't know why you wanted a copy, but remember that if you edit it those edits will be in the history of the restored version (though even that could be avoided with some manipulation).

If you would prefer, I could move it back to mainspace, delete it again, and give you a cut-and-paste copy; but I don't think that's necessary.

In closing the AfD, I said that I would undelete the article on request if she was elected. It appears that the election is to be on 20 March. It is likely that I shall be away then; if so, may I ask you to look after that? If you agree, and if I do go away, I will direct her supporters to you.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I only wanted it as I thought it worth an article and intended to improve it a bit and put it back, its here User:Off2riorob/Tammy_Jennings if anyone would want it, I am fine with it staying where it is and fine with it going elsewhere, I can happily look after its possible replacement to main space around election time or whenever more notability is asserted. No worries. Off2riorob (talk) 19:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Rothschild hoax

Change of subject: the real Rothschilds have acted swiftly. All Stefan's fake sites have been taken down, and he has been taken off the Huffington Post both as de Rothschild and as Roberts, and off Twitter. No wine yet, though. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 11:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

...and he is now getting more internet publicity than perhaps even he wants. JohnCD (talk) 13:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that is a development, perhaps the New York times will be commenting as they also had a two and a half million pledge to Haiti from the fictitious company Rothschild Estates in their paper, they were also scammed. Thank you for the updates, it is making me very thirsty though, that Rothschild wine would be greatly appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Political candidates

Hi there. I noticed you participated in the Articles for Deletion discussion for Graham Jones (politician). I have started a discussion regarding a consensus position for candidates in legislative elections (by way of amending WP:POLITICIAN, in case you are interested in putting forward your views there. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, yes I will keep my eye on it and comment later. Off2riorob (talk) 01:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Wrong person your complaining at

I never added the slut face part that was someone else, i cant change a catergory name so you can do what you likeMiss-simworld ‎ (talk) 08:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, it says here that you did. Off2riorob (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

i wrote katie price's albums on an already made template not slut face part. I do not like that woman but still its no point to write something like that. I added the catergory by clicking on the red part which listed her albums and ALREADY had that title, but I didnt write slutface part. The woman isnt very well liked so it doesnt suprise me.Miss-simworld ‎ (talk) 08:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's been deleted anyway. Off2riorob (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I was going to say something to you about Katie Price but, I no longer think my point is very important. This is tooo funny. Seriously, I'm going to save a link to this so I can look at it whenever I'm feeling down. Rossrs (talk) 09:07, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is amusing, glad you like it. Thanks for stepping in before I got annoyed. Off2riorob (talk) 09:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Gerald Blanchard Story

thanks for your help i'am the real Gerald Blanchard and the page is not correct I have written to Uk times to have them correct the story but no response. I have done a interview with wired mag they are printing a 13 page story that corrects the false stories out there I will be in March issue then it would be nice to help me use that as a reference to change the page as that one person keeps changing it back my email is ******* thanks for you help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Possltd (talk • contribs) 15:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Yea, no worries, If I can help I will. Best wishes to you. Off2riorob (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Dean Chamberlain

Thanks for the kind words, I hope it's enough to remove the BLP and other notices (since it looks like it will probably survive AfD). I appreciate the source you provided! — Catherine\^talk 20:21, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Stedman Pearson

This relates to the Pearson article you asked me about a couple of months back. Just a heads-up: Someone had brought up the article on RSN, and I realised the public indecency bit in that article was still a BLP violation. It just didn't say what the source said, implying there had been a criminal guilty plea and conviction when in fact there had been no conviction at all. I've taken it out and posted a rationale on the talk page. --JN466 20:52, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The BLP Barnstar
		For your effort in making biography articles adhere to high standards Sole Soul (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Soul, I think it is our biggest responsibility and I also enjoy it. Off2riorob (talk) 10:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, I really appreciate it. Sole Soul (talk) 13:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re:Copy vios

FASTILY ^(TALK) 01:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 12:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

DaL33T (talk) 12:36, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

		The Purple Star
		For being one of those hit hard by 212.183.140.17. DaL33T (talk) 18:13, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks, I never felt a thing. Off2riorob (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Clayton_Powell_IV_(politician)

As per the request of Asaamblymember Adam Clayton Powell, we would like his Bio to be clear from any erroneous info.

Someone has been messing with several people including Assemblymember Adriano Espaillat and Assemblymember Jose Peralta.

Please make necessary corrections,

Best,

Aneiry Batista —Preceding unsigned comment added by Denny Pichardo (talk • contribs) 21:30, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Oleg Deripaska

Do you work for Oleg Deripaska or for a PR firm representing him in the UK?Moscowrussia (talk) 11:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I work for free for the Wikipedia. Off2riorob (talk) 14:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Fan Club

VB Stubbie

Looks like you got a fan club and sock farm all in one go Rob....Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

This is true. What is it like Off2riorob? Sir Floyd (talk) 04:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

It's simply a waste of what could be more productive time. Pass me the block button. Off2riorob (talk) 07:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Have a beer Mate! Sir Floyd (talk) 09:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Floyd, you must be reading my mind, I am off downtown to get some ingredients for a cake party at Proof's place later and I will have your VB and a couple more as I pass the waterholes along the way , many thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 09:16, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Tbsdy

I think an RfCU will be necessary if he continues to edit as he has been doing, but he is comparitively inexperienced and unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, so probably not yet. DuncanHill (talk) 18:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

If as you say he is.." comparatively inexperienced and unfamiliar with Wikipedia policies and guidelines" then he should not be an administrator. Off2riorob (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

He has 40,000 edits going back to 2004, and has been an admin since 2005. Just out of interest, who wouldn't you consider "comparatively inexperienced"? 92.10.21.60 (talk) 19:13, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

He has been away , editors and people like this need to again reinsert themselves into the present environment, get to know what is the present enviroment, perhaps his editing style was ok a few years ago but today there are clear issues. Off2riorob (talk) 19:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, he was away in December 2007, and again in June 2008. Other than that there's not a single month since June 2004 in which he hasn't hasn't been active. He switched names at the end of 2007 (admittedly in the midst of a hail of complaints about the actions of his old account), which might be what's leading to this confusion. 92.10.21.60 (talk) 20:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

A discussion you might want to partake in

Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Marcus (comedian) --Orange Mike | Talk 19:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

European Universities Debating Championship

Hi,

Can you have a look at an article for me (European Universities Debating Championship) - I seem to be getting into a Edit War with another editor and would value someone else having a look.

In summary, I think the article has two main issues - firstly it is sourced almost exclusively from the websites maintained by a one Colm Flynn a long time debater for which I am not sure they meet the WP test of WP:RS - I have posted to the Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard but no one unconnected with the article has responded. Secondly is the amount of detail about each event - even though this is a team event the other editor is insisting that the names of the members of the 3 loosing teams must be listed (setting aside the issue of the WP:RS) I think that this is not relevant and as these are not notable and the including runs contra to WP:NLIST. I offered to compermise and let him include the detail in the main table of winners but he felt that it did not work and needed a second table with team members.

The other editor has called be obstructionist - I don't think I am just trying to keep this article fit for an encyclopaedia.

If you think I am being obstructionist please let me know or if you can offer any advice it would be welcomed.Codf1977 (talk) 19:10, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

'drive by' POV tag

It wasn't drive by, it was thought out, so I don't understand why you removed it. I have genuine concerns about the lead. I'm reinstating. Why don't you instead contribute to the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tony_Blair#POV_TAGGED._Iraq_isn.27t_even_mentioned_in_the_lead.21.21 where I would like to have a lead agreed by all editors?

Jandrews23jandrews23 (talk) 21:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thats all very well, but you simply come along and comment and add the template and then do nothing, please lets try try to do something this time to improve the article. 22:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion sorting

Hello! Why did you categorize a discussion about a man as a "list" related AfD? Happy Valentine's Day! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 00:55, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, for the valentine wishes. It looks like an error, I just recently added the delsort tool to my monobook and it looks like it needs a bit more setting up. I will not use it again until I have corrected the settings or at least found out why that happened. Off2riorob (talk) 09:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Grant Fagan

I do not understand why you would PROD this recently created article when the award passes PORNBIO? Ash (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

In what way do you think he passes porn bio? If it is that award, I wouldn't call it a well know award It appears to me to be a lesser known promotional award doesn't infer notability. Off2riorob (talk) 16:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

There are five points in pornbio and this man meets one of them only very loosly indeed, if you consider that award to be well known, I don't, the inclusion conditions for pornbio should not be an excuses to include from a single weakly claimed point but a notability guide to attain to and a subject should meet at least a clear couple of points. Is it that you think he meets multiplre points or it it that minor award that is your claim? Off2riorob (talk) 16:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I disagree that Grabby Awards are not well-known (an examination of sources would easily show this), there seem to be many biographical articles about porn actors relying on these awards. I'm not that bothered to discuss it here as I don't want to talk it through more than once. Raise an AfD if you think you honestly have a case for claiming the Grabbys cannot justify PORNBIO as this is not a straight-forward rational for a PROD, is probably contentious, sets a wide-ranging precedent and so needs discussion. ... (after ec) ... I find your interpretation of PORNBIO rather special, certainly new to me, as there is no consensus that more than one of the criteria needs to be met for an article to be considered suitably notable. Again, if you feel your case is realistic then raise an AfD and air your unique viewpoint so that concensus can be reached. Ash (talk) 16:50, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

this and this are not imo well known awards. You are interpretation the claim for notability at the lowest level and creating articles imo that have no value at all.Off2riorob (talk) 16:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome to your opinion. I agree that PORNBIO is flawed, that's why I have raised a discussion on the associated talk page. However the articles I have created are based on current guidance. If you want to improve PORNBIO, that is a separate issue not solved by raising doubtful PRODs on these BLPs. My statement above stands. Ash (talk) 16:56, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

That just says to me that you realise that they are not really notable but that you are using the flaws in the policy to create them anyway. Off2riorob (talk) 17:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

You are inferring things that are not in the text I have written. For some context as to why these stub articles are being created you may wish to check talk:List of male performers in gay porn films‎. Due to the blanket deletion of red-links or plain text names of award-winning porn stars from this list, there is no choice but to create stub articles before any actor can be included on the list. Consider whether BEFORE and ATD have been exhausted before proceeding with raising AfDs on these new articles. Ash (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

It is of course clear to me why you are creating these stub, so as to rea-dd them back into the list, imo you are wasting your time, but lets see how it progresses, at the end of the day you will have a stub of a not notable porn actor and will have added another name to the list, the whole thing is of little to no value at all, but hey, lets see. Off2riorob (talk) 17:12, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Ani Notice.

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Caremerger has accused you of "conspiring" with me

Hi Off2riorob, I requested you as a moderator to deal with the dispute between me and Caremerger. Caremerger has now accused you of "conspiring" with me and The Four Deuces against her or him. Caremerger has also engaged in slanderous personal attacks against me, claiming that I am paid off by "corporatist money", and referring to me as "you corporatist people". I am aware that you are the moderator in this dispute, but I would appreciate it if you could either give him a warning or block for personal attacks if you can or direct me to an administrator who can do that.--R-41 (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

templates

hi off2riorob,

thank you for your welcome on my user page. i'm very new to editing on Wiki and have been trying to get some one of the various people who offer themselves to assist but sans succes. You might have seen this my problem before-I am offering to help improve an article of which I am the subjest and which has two templates- one that it reads like a resume, and one that it is an orphan, and alos could improve its relation to what I gather are the 'importance'criteria. But I don't want to edit the page myself, as I am the subject. But i could supply drafts, etc. I wonder could you help me or point me in direction where help might lie. Antlion1932 (talk) 05:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi, you could start by reading this Wikipedia:BLP#Dealing_with_articles_about_yourself and Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Help this and I will have a look when I get back later, firstly, welcome to the Wikipedia. Off2riorob (talk) 13:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

User 82.46.28.11

I found this user changing information i had previously input, to false information. Changing the number of Ben Greenhalgh of Inter Milan to 14 from 11, the player's number is 11, as shown by all news websites and tv channels. I read on this user's talk page that he has a warning for providing false information, so i would like to draw your attention to this happening yet again. Sorry for bothering you, but i dont have any power to do anything. Brock 009 (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

No worries, some of his edits do appear ok, like this recent one removing marco from the under 20 team, I will watchlist the articles and see if I can discover what is going on, if an editor removes or inserts content without an explaiation or citation to support it and you have a citation to support the original position then you are fine to simply revert him and ask him to move to discussion, take care not to repeatedly revert as this is edit warring and you could be reported for that, feel free to contact me here for advice or assistance, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 18:25, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

OTRS

• Here is a link to my Offer to assist with OTRS . Off2riorob (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Feel free express your opinion and to add a comment. I welcome comments there and appreciate the feedback, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Gary Stoien

Hello:

I would like to see Gary Skoien's page stay on wiki. He runs the 3rd largest retail outlet center developer in the United States and has also ran for Senate. I do not think there is appropriate reason for you to want to delete it.

How can I fight to keep it?

Thank you, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.178.84 (talk) 18:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You could add some citations that are reporting about him and are independant of him, the AFD lasts a week, for now I would advise standing back and letting the dice roll for a few days and see how it goes. Off2riorob (talk) 18:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Stop your personal attacks (SandyGeorgia)

Stop it; I don't need to template a regular about WP:NPA and WP:AGF. If you're innocent of sock or meatpuppetry, you should have no concern. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

You stop it, I see your insistent attempts to checkuser me without any evidence at all as an attack on me. Off2riorob (talk) 18:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Then perhaps you should read some of our related policy pages. At any rate, stop the attacks; perhaps a good read of WP:NPA and WP:AGF would help. Requesting a checkuser or SPI for evidence of sock or meatpuppetry is not a personal attack. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

It is if it is without any evidence at all. Ok, this is going nowhere, please don't come to my talkpage with your boorish wikilawyering and your tedious linking to npa and agf and wherever. Off2riorob (talk) 19:04, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Caremerger block

Though I am glad that a sockpuppet has been blocked from abusive editing, I do think it's ashame that a person could persistently behave in such a destructive and anti-social manner in spite of being blocked before. Sometimes I just don't understand why some people are not willing to change their ways to be more positive. It is Caremerger's a.k.a. RJII's loss as her or his behaviour is self-destructive.--R-41 (talk) 23:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

He could be an eleven year old boy, or an insane person, forget about it, some people come here for many different reasons. Just identify and block. Off2riorob (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Problem user(s)

Hi Rob

Can you look at this discussion of remarkable similarities between KeepCalmandcarryon and RetroS1mone:[2] Can't find a diff, so search for RetroS

RetroS1mone left WP under cloud. Very recently, KCCO starts recruitment (or reactivation?) of RetroS1mone here: [3]

This leads to:

• Mass deletion at CFS[4]

• Deletion of other users's comments about KCCO's problematic editing at WPI talk:[5]

• Unsubstantiable claim that I attacked her, with a threat of blocking, on my userpage. [6]

I've notified other current editors in the Chronic fatigue syndrome and Whittemore Peterson Institute about my concerns - see my history, Problem user(s) - but discovered you're an admin who has run into KCCO. Can you check whether this is just recruitment of a kindred spirit, or if the accounts are linked? Apologies as I know you're busy, and I'm not, but I've never had to initiate any WP procedures, preferring a peaceful life. Thanks, Sam Weller (talk) 11:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not an administrator, I have had contact, with KCCO, I will have a quick look but KCCO doesn't seem like a user who would sock to me. After little look, I really do not know, it seems to be a very emotive topic and one that is far from my field of excellence, all I can say isi if you feel you have a good case and it is really beneficial to report then make a report at the SPI page. Off2riorob (talk) 11:19, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought you were. Thanks for taking the trouble anyway, Sam Weller (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion: Daphne Caruana Galizia

Thank for nominating the article for deletion. I agree that it should be deleted because it does not follow notability guidelines, and it is highly unlikely that it ever will. SlipperyMoney (talk) 15:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I am thinking the same thing, lets allow it to profgress for a couple of days and see how it goes, the discussion is open for a week and is open to you as well. regards. Off2riorob (talk) 16:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The article mosty certainly does follow notability guidelines. It is about a very prominent, well-known public figure in Malta and the best known journalist in the country. To a native Maltese person would be tantamount to deleting an article about say, Bill O'Reilly to an American. If you do not consider it worthy of deletion then by definition you do not consider Malta as worthy of inclusion in wikipedia and sadly wikipedia is not a global project at all. You are almost certainly being duped by someone with a very obvious agenda.Qattusu (talk) 17:45, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Just a comment regarding this, I may go to my history and find it but I have worked with the subject of an article here that was not very good to help him improve the article, he was a semi notable Maltese magician..and revealed who he was...but he worked on it and I helped him and the article got better and still exists now. Here he is Brian Role and the help I gave him on his takpage, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you can back this up with sources. We do allow Bill Orielly because it is easily sourced. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

I have been duped b4, and will be again, at least I am an err on the side of caution duped type person, again its a case of mirror mirror on the wall who is the person with the biggest agenda of them all...you can go there and comment so all is good, the more I looked at the article the less I liked it as regards policy and notability and one event and attack article and so on. Off2riorob (talk) 17:51, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Your repeated deletion of a one sentence section of an article, detailing a serious criminal act which has been referenced by FOUR different sources, all entirely independent of the subject seems obsessive. It seems like you are determined to keep knowledge of this criminal act, committed by the best known journalist in Malta and widely reported in the Maltese media, off wikipedia. I wonder how you would react if a well-known American journalist was widely reported to have committed a criminal act and Maltese people kept deleting the article because they hadn't heard of him? Can you explain exactly how come you didn't want the article deleted prior to this bad publicity for the subject? Qattusu (talk) 19:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I am neutral in this and simply want decent article or not as the case may be, you clearly have a strong conflict of interest and to be honest it is tiresome to repeatedly have to point things out to you, Spousal assault weakly cited that has not come to court and a claim of defamation from the opposition, get over it, come back when there is something really criminal and these has been a court case, best of luck to you. Off2riorob (talk) 20:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, though, that the article was there before the recent bad publicity so I am puzzled about why you want to delete the whole article now. I wasn't aware that it was wikipedia policy only to write about criminal acts "when there has been a court case". You obviously don't know how the Maltese legal system works either. The case of defamation is The Police V Daphne Caruana Galizia after a number of serious allegations made about a serving magistrate. It is not a civil matter but a criminal act with a possible punishment of imprisonment. It is patronising for you to lecture Maltese people about what is "really criminal". Oh, and also thanks for the lecture about how "weak" four of the main national media organisations are at reporting criminal acts. Certainly, they are not perfect but they don't just go around making up police reports of spousal abuse! I guess we can't all be America with your always reliable Fox News! Qattusu (talk) 20:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Qattusu, the burden of proof is on you, and on whoever else is adding content, not on Off2riorob.SlipperyMoney (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

No, the burden of proof is not on me at all. I didn't create the article, though I added some referenced and sourced details to it. The burden of proof for deleting it is on the users who want to delete it! Qattusu (talk) 20:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Why not get yourself a blog and add all this controversy there, this is the wikipedia and it is not for such worthless content as this, yawn..actually Q, you have little understanding of policy and your mind is clouded by your personal objectives, please.. forgive me if your personal desires and you confict of interest appears to be boring to me. Off2riorob (talk) 20:52, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Whether or not this issue is boring to you is irrelevant. I have a very clear understanding of wikipedia policy and I have clearly demonstrated why the subject is notable. You have done nothing to show that the subject is not notable. It might help if you knew anything at all about Malta or at least if you spoke to anyone who knows anything about Malta.

I will be sure to tell the media organisations that their policy of reporting domestic violence by prominent journalists is "worthless". I hope you will now be consistent and delete the relevant parts about Tiger Woods` personal life from that article. After all, that did not result in any police reports being filed or cases of defamation levelled by the police against him so it is far less newsworthy than this. The fact that you think you can make declarations about what is or isn`t newsworthy in Malta though you obviously know nothing about it is scary. This is typical behaviour of certain people - just charge into a situation you have no understanding of, start destroying things and do much more harm than good. The part of the article you keep deleting has been sourced by FOUR external sources. Please tell us, in your wisdom, why these sources can not be relied on. You obviously know a lot about it so what are you waiting for? My only agenda is to tell the truth about a prominent figure in Malta, using reputable, referenced external sources. Qattusu (talk) 07:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

You have got twenty edits all to this topic, I deal with onre article at a time, my mind can not handle all the other subjects, tiger woods etc, just wait and see how it goes, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 10:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

• OK, I can appreciate that this is not the only article that you are dealing with. It just seems that you are determined to delete this article when there is no reason to. Personally, I have no problem with the article remaining in its present state. I expect it can even been edited down a little. However I am completely against deleting it just because it says some things which the subject would rather were not said. Here are some more references to the subject. I know that they don't all merit inclusion in the article (and one is the subject's own claim on her blog)but they should at least give some idea of how major and controversial a figure the subject is in Malta. To delete the article would be a disservice to wikipedia. I don't have any "agenda" at all. My politics has nothing to do with this and I don't know the subject personally or professionally. :

Caruana Galizia claims to have "30,000 visits to her blog in one day" - The Malta Independent Online

Caruana Galizia's claims to receive 1,630,148 views in three weeks - Running Commentary

Storm whipped up by Caruana Galizia - The Times of Malta

Daphne reports blogger to police - Malta Today

Bomb threat against Caruana Galizia - maltarightnow.com

Magistrate abstains from Caruana Galizia cases - The Times of Malta Caruana Galizia to be summoned before the Family Court in domestic violence case - L-orrizont (with google translation)

Caruana Galizia to be summoned before the Family Court in domestic violence case - The Times of Malta

Caruana Galizia to be summoned before the Family Court in domestic violence case - One News

Caruana Galizia to face defamation charges - The Times of Malta

Caruana Galizia to face defamation charges - di-ve portal

Caruana Galizia sued for libel by Astrid Vella - The Times of Malta

Caruana Galizia sued for libel by Astrid Vella - The Malta Independent

Caruana Galizia sued for libel by Arlette Baldachinno - vivamalta.org

Caruana Galizia sued for libel by Jason Micallef and Michael Falzon - Malta Today

Caruana Galizia sued for libel by Toni Abela - Malta Today

Malta Inside Out portal

Caruana Galizia denies plastic surgery - Malta Today

Arsonists torch the home of columnist Caruana Galizia - Carmen Sammut, The Ambiguous Borderline between Human Rights and National Security: The Journalist’s Dilemma in the Reporting of Irregular Immigrants in MaltaGMJ: Mediterranean Edition 2(1) Spring 2007

Editor of The Malta Independent apologises for Carauana Galizia article inciting violence - Malta Press Club press release

Attack on the home of columnist Caruana Galizia - Malta Department of Information Diary of Events —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qattusu (talk • contribs) 12:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to sign before. Qattusu (talk) 12:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:BLPN#Whittemore Peterson Institute

I realise that you don't want to get personally involved with any dispute involving Keepcalmandcarryon, but you know who the senior editors are on the BPLN, could you either give me a couple of names or pass on this request to review this dispute without further comment, so that we can put an end this bizarre discussion. -- TerryE (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

This probably needs to be resolved first: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Keepcalmandcarryon. Sam Weller (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that is interesting, see how that progresses. Off2riorob (talk) 10:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I disagree. K has complained that I only edit a few articles, but this is because I only have a limited amount of time to work on Wikipedia and I am spending nearly all of it trying to prevent inflammatory drivel being posted in articles. I would rather spend my time in constructive debate and content. I'll look at the history on BPLN and do a pivot table to work out who the frequent posters are. -- TerryE (talk) 11:30, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Terry, I discovered this tool you can use to see those details . Off2riorob (talk) 11:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

and the winners are (out of 2K posts): Equazcion (69), Cailil (66), SandyGeorgia (60), Beyond My Ken 53), Rd232 (48), Tbsdy lives (44), Monshuai (41), Tanthalas39 (30), Debresser (30), Daedalus969 (29), Jack Merridew (28), Baseball Bugs (27), MiszaBot II (26), Jayjg (25), Hell in a Bucket (25), Coldplay Expert 24), SarekOfVulcan (22), Neutralhomer (22), Gwen Gale (22), Bigtimepeace (22), Jayen466 (21), Off2riorob (19), ... -- TerryE (talk) 11:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

oops that was WP:AN/I

and the winners are (out of 2K posts): Off2riorob (431), Rd232 (68), SandyGeorgia (65), SineBot (57), MiszaBot II (52), Jarhed (43), Scieberking (27), FkpCascais (23), Tony Sidaway (22), Nil Einne (21), Mugginsx (20), Collect (20), so you get the golden star. What I was trying to find out is who responds to BPLN notices rather than who frequently posts them. The answer seems to be that you are the only mainstay respondent. Maybe WP needs to introduce the concept if "Jury duty" where editors are invited for a period to clear specific noticeboards. :( -- TerryE (talk) 12:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

That dashboard tool is good. I am all over the board recently like a rash, there are a few editors that are considered to be experianced in BLP issues,

if you want me to, I will give you a couple of names later, I am off out now, best...my advice...its only a website..don't let it get to you, I do totally understand how you feel though. Off2riorob (talk) 12:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration case

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asgardian/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Asgardian/Workshop.

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Gareth Thomas

Hello there. Apologies for not leaving a note when editing. It seems the story does have some merit in that it is certainly more than a random potential event to one that is quite likely, and as such is being reported on by both union and league journalists. It is that concrete link that makes it worthy of inclusion.This deal is getting worse all the time. (talk) 07:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

• I have taken it out again, please don't put it back as it is tiresome having to remove it, even if god reports it until is is a reality we do not report transfer speculation, if you think I am wrong ask for a WP:RFC . Off2riorob (talk) 09:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I was very respectful in my dealings with yourself. If you believe the BBC amongst other fine institutions to be gossip-mongers that is your prerogative, however there is a definite link and as such has a place within the article. Removal of the cited material from this point on be considered vandalism. Consider this a polite advisory warning.This deal is getting worse all the time. (talk) 19:32, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

• I have opened a RFC here , thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Gareth Thomas (rugby player), without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you. This deal is getting worse all the time. (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• You have no support at all on the talkpage RFC please consider stepping back from repeatedly inserting you desired addition. Off2riorob (talk) 12:41 pm, Today (UTC+0)

Did you know?

When Sir Floyd was little he was driven around in a Ford Zephyr Mark II.

Sir Floyd (talk) 23:55, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

• Nice motor. Off2riorob (talk) 12:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Placement of Templates

Hi, you appear to be the sock of an indefinitely blocked user, this account is User:MBernal615 , and have removed templates from pictures uploaded by that user, could you explain this situation? Do you deny having any connection to that user? Off2riorob (talk) 00:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• With respect to your above message: you have placed templates on photographs that already showed Permissions sent to OTRS.

You placed these templates on top of the Notices of Permission. That is why they were removed.

KHamsun (talk) 01:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• With respect, the uploader of these photos has also uploaded about twenty other pictures that have been deleted, as yet there is no confirmation that these pics have permission either, please consider the sock allegations as indefinitely blocked users should not simply start posting from another account, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Fairfield College

Fairfield College (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi there.To be defamatory a statement must be untrue-the statements deleted by you came from 2 Nz newspapers-one has been online for some 5-6 months and that info comes from the NZ MOE who carried out a special investigation while Small was principal at Rodney which resulted in the BOT being replaced ,a notorious DP leaving(who Small hired for FFC and has now been effectively fired by the commissioner) and then Small her self leaving shortly thereafter.The other comes from p1 ie THE FRONT page of a recent Waikato Times -a very conservative provincial paper that is not in the habit of printing untruths.Your other comments show ignorance. Compared to most schools -in the words of a local MP "FFC had a good brand"-This school used to be a very tranquil place with a very low level of violence.Now it is riddled with MM prospects to the point of needing 3 private secuity guards and a campus cop.There is no respect for Small because of her disfunctional attitudes and behaviour. Last year a boy was being beaten up by 2 girls-one of the girls ran to get extra help with the beating-20-30 boys came running with their taiahas(wooden spears) and a general brawl followed.I dont know where in the world you are, but this is totally not normal in any school in Nz!It is very much in the public interest for all the facts to be out in the open about Small.This is the second school in a row where she was principal, where the BOT were sacked.FFC is right at the very top of the MOE blacklist of schools in NZ and nothing has changed in 2 plus years.In the last 2-3 years there has been about a 75-85% turnover of staff and this has not stopped.The roll has dropped from around 1250 last year to around 930 this year due to public concern .The staff have taken multiple PG cases against the principal and 2 DPs ( now gone)which all succeeded.The total number of PG's is unknown but it is substancial.I have list of what I would call education malpractise that runs to over 60 cases from this school in the last 3 years.These are all cases that can be substanciated by multiple individuals or reputable organizations. Mr Plod. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.237.37.94 (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps you should get yourself a blog and publish your POV there, thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 12:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Seeking adoption-continued

Further to my response to your message the other day I have now had a response from P Carn who had previously offered to adopt me, and I have sent a reply. So there is no need at this stage to get back to me. if I have any further issues i'll knock on your door. Thank You. Antlion1932 (talk) 03:55, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Ani Notice.

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Galloway article

Thanks for your polite mediation. I think it's a somewhat hotter article than I normally contribute to and I'm being a tad sloppy with my wiki etiquette.

I do think their some editors very actively maintaining a certain slant with the article though, which is where my edits have come from, just a nudge at what I perceive as the more obvious excesses of PoV.

Don't really want to get dragged into a war, just get some of these things looked at more consensually, so I thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.131.130 (talk) 01:34, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No worries, Galloway is a hot topic, don't give up though, all articles can be improved. Off2riorob (talk) 01:37, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Request

Hi. I'm trying to verify a statement you made - that "I really think that all of this controversy surrounding the reports of wikipedia bias in Global warming articles is notable enough for its own article, such controversy has been reported at multiple locations, hasn't it?" - Are you aware of any sources that have reported on this in a way negative to our coverage aside from Lawrence Solomon and James Delingpole? Hipocrite (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

I have not searched for this issue but, I have seen the couple of recent reports and I had the thought that there were likely more but I have not searched and that was my question.. hasn't it? It was as much of a question as a statement. Off2riorob (talk) 21:21, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Your question was taken as a statement by Lar per User_talk:Lar#Deconstructing_the_stack. Thanks for your time. Hipocrite (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

What were the recent reports you'd seen? ++Lar: t/c 21:49, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

My head is spinning with this right now, but I had at least read the two reports Hipocrite is citing, as I said my comment was..."such controversy has been reported at multiple locations, hasn't it? " note the question mark.. and two is multiple. Off2riorob (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Typical blowhard American. You people are so pathetic. News of the World is a British newspaper for whom Bamber gave an interview. It is not poorly cited. If Bamber didn't want to be quoted, he wouldn't have given the interview! Battlestar Galactica was CANCELED after four seasons. Look at Variety. You are hopeless but as you are American, it isn't surprising that you are stupid. Thank God Bamber is British (in case you don't know it, London is in Britain).