Talk:Carol of the Bells

Carol of the Flyers

There is a variant that I loved. It was called Carol of the Flyers. Forget the bells. It used farm animals, mostly chickens. Each animal played a different part. The chickens in particular would cluck at different frequencies. Then all the sudden they all become very quiet as though they are listening to something. It's a baby (Jesus) crying. Will (Talk - contribs) 07:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Lyric vs Lyrics

Hey folks. I know that "lyrics" is a commonly-used term for the words to a song. Should we use the word "lyric" (since it's the correct singular term), or should we use "lyrics" (the common yet incorrect term)? Just looking for a little advice on that. :) Bdevoe 18:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

wikipedia is determined by the majority, so lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.35.147 (talk) 20:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

TSO/Metallica Version

On 15 Dec 06, user 64.228.132.25 added that there was a popular rendition of Carol of the Bells as a collaboration between Trans-Siberian Orchestra and Metallica. I have been totally unable to locate any kind of reference to this. This carols is one of my favorites and if one existed, I would like to have it. :) However, I believe that it's likely a misunderstanding on 64.228.132.25's part (commonly made) and is actually just the TSO/Christmas in Sarajevo version with members of Savatage. If anyone can find a true citation for the Metallica version, I would appreciate it. Bdevoe 01:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics Guidelines.

What are the rules on lyrics? It seems like the ultimate in enycopedic information about a song- the song itself. And it would do wonders for searching for a song that you only know the famous lyrics of but not the actual title, like Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme when you want Scarboroughfair/Canticle. It does seem perfect but almost every song on here doesn't have the lyrics. Most articles have links to the lyrics but not the lyrics themselves. Are they banned by any specific rule like page size, notability or even copyrite issues? I'm not suggesting we remove it, I', just curious as to why most pages don't have it. Is there a rule you could point me at?Simondrake 04:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Because most lyrics are copyrighted, there are not allowed on Wikipedia. I do not know if they would be allowed for this article, even though it is a Ukranian folk melody, but the english translation could still be under copyright. But it all depends on if the lyrics are copyrighted or not. – Heaven's Wrath   ^Talk  19:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

The English Text is indeed copyrighted by Peter Wilhousky, but I do not know when the copryright runs out. I think it was cfirsts opyrighted in 1938. 70 years would end the copyright next year. Bandurist (talk) 19:58, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Home Alone

Who actually did the Home Alone versions?

If you mean who composed them, it was John Williams, which can be easily looked up on the Home Alone article. For more and better responses, use WP:RD to ask questions. Reywas92^Talk 16:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ding Fries are Done

You guys do realize that this link simply links back to the original page, right? I mean, if someone is willing to make an article on this parody, then they can put in the link, but what use is a link that goes nowhere?Leprechaun Gamer (talk) 05:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge with Shchedryk

This piece has enough of a foothold in western culture to merit its own page. The history and relation to Shchedryk is relevant to the western translation and the page should stay separate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.64.91 (talk) 19:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. A link to the history of the original is all that is required. Keep in mind that people looking for information will not look up "Shchedryk" but look up "Carol of the Bells".

Also keep in mind that "Shchedryk" existed with two text variants made by Leontovych. The standard "Shchedryk" has a pre-Christian pagan text, the other has a christian religious text - "Tam na richtsi na Yordani" which during the period of Soviet occupation was not used in performance or publication. Bandurist (talk) 19:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Passaic, New Jersey

There is a Lemko church ic Passaic that also claims to have something to do with this song. I'll see if I can find a link. Pustelnik (talk) 14:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Is this what Carol of the Old Ones is based on?

Carol of the Old Ones at YouTube

Is a terrific song about Cthulhu returning. I think it's based on Carol of the Bells and perhaps should be mentioned as well as other variants. 70.6.206.196 (talk) 22:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC) 70.6.206.196 (talk) 22:23, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes. --Boguslav (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

In Pop Culture

Regarding the Family Guy references:

• The Burger King reference is in the episode Deep Throats
• Peters christmas album is called: "A Peter Griffin Christmas", according to the episode Perfect Castaway.

193.171.40.5 (talk) 22:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

A few comments about my recent edits

• The lyrics by Minna Louise Hohman are copyrighted, so they should not be added back to this article. It is probably acceptable to link to a website that has them.
• The rumor about the original Ukrainian song is inappropriate per Words to avoid and Avoid weasel words.
• There are plenty of Christmas carols in minor key, and plenty with a fast pace.
• There's no need to point out that Peter Wilhousky didn't compose the piece, because the article says who did.
• Mykola Leontovych's Murder has nothing to do with the song.
• This song's copyright has expired. It is in the public domain; therefore, anybody anywhere can use it in their advertising or any other purpose, and thousands of companies have done so. It has also appeared as background music in hundreds of TV shows and movies. Please don't add "So-and-so used it in their TV commercial" or "It was played in the background of Such-and-such" to the pop-culture section. It's almost as popular as Jingle Bells, but we don't need to add every TV, radio, and movie appearance of either song to Wikipedia.
• I've deleted all the "pop-culture" stuff that falls into the category of my last point and divided the rest into two sections - "Notable performances" and "Other versions".

 – jaksmata 15:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Threshold of notability

To prevent this article from becoming a list of every artist who has ever performed "Carol of the Bells", I propose including only recordings that have, independent of the artist, achieved notability. In other words, only songs that have or could have articles per these Wikipedia notability guidelines should be mentioned here. This would apply to any mention of performances or parodies of this song. – jaksmata 16:24, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

According to my estimate (using Wikipedia as a source) there are at least 103 artists who have recorded or parodied "Carol of the Bells". The only one that would pass my inclusion test would be Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24. – jaksmata 14:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Copyright of lyrics

Even ignoring whether the article is better or worse for the entire lyrics appearing on the page, according to U.S. Copyright law, that copyright exists for 70 years after the author's death. Peter Wilhousky died in 1978, meaning that his lyrics are copyright until 2048. Shouldn't they be removed? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 19:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see... I was mistaken. I'd take them back out, but someone else has already done so. – jaksmata 20:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Not one, but two Garmin ads: Notable?

Both are hilarious, and play every year for some time now.Lowellt (talk) 16:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I didn't return the edit, but I believe there are many people worldwide that look up the song and its background because of these current, sometime parodied, versions of the melody and their usage in popular culture. I don't see it as diminishing from the value of this work nor do I see anything wrong with mentioning the different variations, and surely not to exclude the ones that ran on television worldwide. Clearly, this was a source of much of the traffic to this entry. Are we serving the people's desire for knowledge or our own "elite" status by removing it? Keepitreal74 (talk) 05:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)