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Why is the academic search engine discontinued...???

Please bear in mind that Nothing Will be Perfect but Everything Can be Professional --124.78.229.155 (talk) 10:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism of Bing

As with many other Wiki's, a heading (section) within the main entry: "Criticism" seems appropriate. 1. How and when does Microsoft filter out or de-prioritize search result which are competitors. 2. Do they imply that this is not done? 3. There's more... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.131.179 (talk) 02:49, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

why does Terabyte Unlimited redirect here?

A company "Terabyte Unlimited" has a product called "BootIt NG". Perhaps some people abbreviate it to BING. Why is it being redirected here? and can someone who knows more about editing Wikipedia pages than me fix it so that it has its own page (which I'm sure is saved in some archive somewhere).

Thanks. Lehasa (talk) 13:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The TeraByte Unlimited article was deleted; right now the mention here in Bing is the only Wikipedia mention of the company. The deletion/redirection discussion is here. Best, --CliffC (talk) 21:45, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boot-it Next Generation should not be redirecting to Bing. It should have an article of its own. While it may not be notable to the general public, it is likely to be notable among computer technicians specializing in backup and recovery. I find the Wikipedia software lists to be a useful resource on Wikipedia. Consulting Wikipedia, since it is edited, is far more reliable than consulting search engines to find software. I am noticing an upsetting trend of articles about shareware and free software being deleted over notability. The topics are notable to people who choose to read them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Corwin78 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What???

"On July 29, 2009, Microsoft and Yahoo! announced a deal in which Bing would power the best p0rn search in the world: Yahoo! Search" —Preceding unsigned comment added by J.daly2 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Search for "Bing"

Should a search for "Bing" redirect to here by default? I bet this article gets the most hits of all the "Bing" articles by a lot

216.244.60.55 (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

of course it should; I can't understand why it isn't already. Just move it yourself and see what concerned users have to say.--intraining ^{Jack In} 08:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Bing (search engine) → Bing — and Bing to Bing (disambiguation)

In answer to some messages sent to me. See also discussions in Talk:Bing. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Bing Crosby and Bing cherry are just as likely to be searched for with the simple term "bing" as the search engine is. None of them is the primary topic. Haven't we been over this enough times already? — Gavia immer (talk) 18:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, if you take a look at the previous discussion over at Talk:Bing, the reason why the previous request for the move was not actioned was because it was thought to be "buzz generated". However, the administrator did mention that this topic should be revisited should Bing (search engine) remains elevated for several additional months. It is now more than one year after Bing (search engine)'s launch. --Damaster98 (talk) 10:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Approve I think the search term Bing should direct to this page with one of those for other uses see sentences on the top. I also think the bing crosby argument is stupid.--intraining ^{Jack In} 22:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dergre (talk • contribs) 05:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Prior to the Bing search engine, Bing used to receive up to 100 page views/day, now it receives 300-600 pages views per day. Following the move, we should tag the relevant pages with {{for}} and then see if the disambig page continues to receive 300-600 views, or only 100 pageviews...Smallman12q (talk) 14:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because based on the statistics provided on Talk:Bing a year ago, the operating system is not the clear primary topic. Several other articles have significant page views and together they are on par to the operating system, despite the traffic driving that is apparent in the redirects. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

This month's page view stats show the search engine leading, but not by a huge margin:

Bing (search engine) has been viewed 35566 times in 201009.
Bing Crosby has been viewed 23989 times in 201009.
Bing cherry has been viewed 925 times in 201009.

I didn't look at most of the other articles. I see Bing (search engine) has a lot of incoming links that I don't understand, at best. They likely are inflating the page view stats. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 04:46, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. I would have assumed the cherry got more page views, but you know what happens when you assume. Thanks for actually looking that up. — Gavia immer (talk) 04:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cherries are seasonal. In the northern hemisphere the cherry fruit crop peaks in June. Page views for Bing cherry in June 2010 show a surge[1] and page views for Bing show the same surge.[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.3.72.9 (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how much weight the page views have in this discussion unless it's possible to determine how many people are typing in "Bing" to view the search engine article compared to how many people are typing in "Bing" to view the Bing Crosby article. Every comment I have read here and on the Bing talk page indicate that more people are typing in "Bing" to view the search engine article. Also Gavia immer just picks random reasons why bing shouldn't direct to the search engine wether it's based on fact or not (he likes making shit up).--intraining ^{Jack In} 05:00, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The incoming links to Bing (search engine) include numerous redirects for different phrases with the word "bing" in them. I think they are intended to manipulate Google and other external search engines. There are also redirects where I would have expected articles. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 14:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It would help to repair the ~40 incoming links to Bing. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 14:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh wow. Smallman2q links to Bing page views for May 2009,[3] which shows a huge surge in page views beginning that month. But looking at the page history I see something else. Take a look at September 2009. Now imagine you are looking at a page of Google search results. All you would see of Bing is a snippet of text like this:

Bing
Bing (search engine) is a web search engine operated by Microsoft.

Wouldn't a lot of Google users who want information about the operating system be fooled into clicking through to the disambiguation page? 69.3.72.9 (talk) 15:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the top 7 Google Web search results for "bing site:wikipedia.org", and their Wikipedia page views in August 2010:

In August 2010 the operating system did not get even half the page views of all articles on this disambiguation page. The disambiguation page got a lot of page views (9490), though, and viewers are not coming in through Bing (disambiguation): it got only 41 page views that month. The likely cause then is the incoming links to Bing: here. At the moment I looked, there were 21 incoming links:

Would someone care to fix these links? Then in a couple of days we should see a big drop in the number of page views on Bing. 69.3.72.9 (talk) 20:57, 12 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 Oh wow.  Smallman2q links to [[Bing]] page views for May 2009,[http://stats.grok.se/en/200905/Bing] which shows a huge surge in page views beginning that month.  But looking at the page history I see something else.  Take a look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bing&oldid=312659447 September 2009].  Now imagine you are looking at a page of Google search results.  All you would see of [[Bing]] is a snippet of text like this:
  Bing
- Bing (search engine) is ...
+ Bing (search engine) is a web search engine operated by Microsoft.
 Wouldn't a lot of Google users who want information about the operating system be fooled into clicking through to the disambiguation page? [[Special:Contributions/69.3.72.9|69.3.72.9]] ([[User talk:69.3.72.9|talk]]) 15:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)