Talk:The Cisco Kid

Publication

The story, The Cabellero's Way, with two Remington-like illustrations by W. Herbert Dunton, was also published in Everybody's Magazine, July 1907, pages 86-93. 03:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Two terms might baffle those relying on their memories of high school Spanish: Tonia is caring for a "little crippled chivo" -- that's a baby goat -- and the Cisco Kid is called "El Chivato" by the Mexicans -- that means "the sneaky one" and not in a good way. Sussmanbern (talk) 13:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

The O.Henry story has the Cisco Kid singing a song, the only one he knows, but all we get are two lines. It's a genuine song, "My Lulu", and the lyrics are to be found in Carl Sandburg's American Songbag. The stanza from which O.Henry's two lines are taken goes: "If you go monkey with my Lulu gal / I'll tell you what I'll do. / I'll carve your heart out with my razor. / I'll shoot you with my pistol, too." Sussmanbern (talk) 14:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Phrase

Somewhere in the article should be the catch phrase that the TV series was so noted for -- occuring at the end of each episode Pancho: "Oh Cisco!" Cisco;"Oh Pancho!"

• Please check that this ic correct. In my memory, they said, "'Eh, Pancho!" "'Eh, Cisco!"211.225.34.185 (talk) 02:25, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

from the name Francisco

Since the original story was published in 1907 (and presumably written earlier) -- and the movies and TV dramatizations were clearly based in the 19th century -- it is fairly certain that neither Cisco nor Pancho could be named for Pancho Villa, who did not attain any prominence until about 1910. The O. Henry story hints that the Kid got his name from his limited geographical wanderings -- roughly due south of San Antonio; there is a small city of Cisco, Texas, about 40 miles east of Abilene, far north of the territory described in the O.Henry story. 03:50, 12 March 2010 (UTC) 13:55, 12 March 2010 (UTC) Sussmanbern (talk) 14:22, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

the intro to the TV series

The TV series with Duncan Renaldo would begin each episode with the announcer saying "Here's danger. Here's romance. Here's O. Henry's famous Robin Hood of the Old West - the Cisco Kid!" However his only appearance in an O. Henry story was not as a Robin Hood at all, but as a psychopathic back-shooter and bank robber. Moreover, O.Henry makes relatively clear that the Cisco Kid is an Anglo - his name might be "Goodall", he sings a cowboy song in English, is feared by the Mexicans, and wears a hat - not a sombrero. But the movies and TV series (and the 1990 TV movie with Jimmie Smits) portrayed him as a cheerful and friendly Mexican wearing a sombrero and speaking with a thick Mexican accent (and suitably respectful of US Anglos). He is also presented as young; 25 years of age, looking younger. But the movies, TV series and TV movie portrayed him as considerably older - at the very least, in his 30s; in the TV series, Duncan Renaldo's portrayal (at age 52) suggested that "the Kid" was on the cusp of drawing Social Security. Sussmanbern (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Clean-up tags

Without removing any information, I re-organized the page and tried to wikify some of the lists. Could any of the tags be removed now? Thanks! Aristophanes68 (talk) 03:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)