Talk:LGBT rights by country or territory

LGBT rights by issue

There has been discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies about the need for an article that discusses LGBT rights by issue. This article breaks it down by country, and the LGBT social movements breaks it down by timeline, but I think it would be beneficial to break it down by issues. We made up a good list on the WikiProject page. Here it is:

• Legality of same-sex sexual activity: sodomy laws, age of consent
• Legality of trans/gender-variant behaviour: anti-cross-dressing laws, laws about SRS
• Relationship recognition: adoption & parenting, hospitalization, immigration
• Gender transition laws: ability to change name, ability to change legal gender, gov't recognition of new legal gender
• Discrimination by the government: military service
• Non-discrimination laws: housing, employment, public accomodations
• Hate crimes laws

Also, someone suggested "bodily autonomy". The thought was to list all of these things on an article called LGBT rights, which currently redirects to here. Thoughts? Joshuajohanson (talk) 19:01, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I support changing LGBT rights to be its own article, organised by issue, instead of a redirect to this page. As a note, we'd need to update a lot of the redirects to this article to point to the new article. --Alynna (talk) 01:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

About the breakdown - we should compare with the rights described in the Yogyakarta Principles. --Alynna (talk) 13:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I support this change as well. I would like to see MSM blood donation on that list as well, if possible. - Axel Löfving (talk) 23:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Homosexuality in the United States

For the United States, regarding the legality of homosexuality itself, it states "Legal since 1962, nationwide since 2003" ... indeed, homosexuality has been legal in the United States since 1962, but the part where it states "nationwide since 2003" is referring to Lawrence v. Texas, which was a Supreme Court case in which sodomy laws were struck down in the various states that still had them. The case was not regarding the legality of actual homosexuality and the legality of homosexuality (i.e. public displays of homosexual affection, simply being able to freely state "I'm homosexual" without facing charges, as is the case in places where homosexuality is illegal) has been legal in the United States since 1962. Lawrence v. Texas was only regarding states that still had sodomy laws in place which applied to all persons not just homosexuals, and it must be considered that not all homosexual males engage in acts of what is considered to be sodomy, and that homosexuality also applies to females, not just males. Therefore Lawrence v. Texas should not apply to the issue of actual legality of homosexuality itself in the United States and should be removed from that particular section. Agreed or perhaps I'm not properly understanding the case? Aurora30 (talk) 21:36, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

You are not properly understanding the case. The Texas sodomy law, in particular, was passed by the state legislature as the "Homosexual Conduct Act" and only applied to oral and anal intercourse with members of the same sex. Heterosexuals engaging in the same behavior would not have been prosecuted. As Justice O'Connor stated in her concurring opinion, the Texas law would have been thrown out on equal protection grounds regardless. But the Supreme Court majority, led by Justice Kennedy, went even further and nullified all sodomy laws in the United States. This is because the court majority found that the laws - whether applied to everyone or just homosexuals - were an unconstitutional invasion of privacy. Technically, it was a 6-3 decision to rule against Texas' "Homosexual Conduct Act" and 5-4 for getting rid of all sodomy laws in general. In either case, however, homosexuality was explicitly illegal in Texas before Lawrence. And thus, it was not "legal nationwide" until 2003 as the article states. 67.188.55.242 (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Additional maps

I believe that maps in a very good way makes information easily accessible. As of now, this article is illustrated only by a map detailing the status of same-sex unions and marriage as well as detailing the status of homosexuality as a crime.

This does not, in my opinion, give a good overview of the various subjects detailed on this page. This page would benefit greatly from maps detailing

• gender reassignment laws
• Protection from discrimination
• same-sex adoption

I'm not really sure how this should be organized. This map by ILGA details the same issues as the currently avalible as well as anti-discrimination, and does not seem cluttered, but every issue could not possibly be accounted for in one single map. I suggest we add anti-discrimination to the map in use, and create a new map regarding transgender issues. Adoption could have a map of its own, I suppose – I don't think we could detail that as well in the updated current one. Would three maps in quick sucession seem cluttered? Axel Löfving (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill

The 2009 Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill punishes by death repeat offenders (two or more times) of such crimes as uploading/downloading gay pornography and failing to report homosexual activity. The extreme nature of these provisions should be reflected in the information made available about the state of the law there. See ss.s(1)(f), s.3(2), and s.1 "serial offender", as well as s.16(b) and s.13(1)(a) of the Bill. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.1.156.123 (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Adoption in India

There is no particular law which says LGBT people cannot adopt kids. So to say same sex adoption is banned is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timofeyevich (talk • contribs) 10:16, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The field refers to adoption by same-sex couples, not by individuals. Some countries don't allow adoption for single people, I don't know if India is one of them, if single people may adopt, is important that the country have an explicit legislation bannig discrimination based on sexual orientation. Considering that in 2009 India legalises homosexuality I think the adoption field in India should be filled with NO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.27.175.28 (talk) 04:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Afghanistan

Is Afghanistan in South Asia or Central Asia?--71.111.229.19 (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Geographically speaking, it is both.

Politically, culturally and ethnically speaking, as a "whole" it can be reasonably considered Central Asian, South Asian, both or neither.

66.108.243.166 (talk) 12:17, 31 October 2010 (UTC)Moi

Notice of proposal to rename "LGBT rights activists" category

A proposal to rename the category "LGBT rights activists" has been created. Thoughts on the matter can be discussed at its entry, here:Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_May_29#LGBT_categoriesAdrigon (talk) 17:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

South Korea

"Yes Transsexuals allowed to change legal gender but sometimes"

Why does it cut off and what is suppose to be there? --142.162.69.96 (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd guess the edit was done by someone whose first language is not English, but it is unsourced and should go for now. I'll remove it. Rodhullandemu 17:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Lesbian and Gay Kingdom of the Coral Sea Island

If there is a gay rights by nation you should mention the micronation called the Gay and Lesbian Kingdom of the Coral Sea Islands.

Southern europe?

According to the wikipedia article on southern europe either from a geo-political , mathematical , as defined by the UN ..etc, many of the balkan countries should be included in the definition of southern europe. A personal definition of southern europe cannot be accepted in this article and should rely at lest in the UN definition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.82.184.35 (talk) 09:20, 2 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.82.184.35 (talk)

Mosaic Law Vs. Men Lying With Men

The article has this statement:

"The first recorded Abrahamic laws against sexual intercourse between men are dated by scholars to circa 550 BC, during the Babylonian captivity of the Jewish people; they are recorded in Leviticus (though conservative scholars date Leviticus to be much older), and prescribe the death penalty."

There is no documentation for this statement. The expression "dated by scholars" is an invalid statement in this context, since scholars differ on practically any and every statement one could make on the Bible. Educated persons cannot agree on who is a scholar. "Abrahamic" is a useless and unsubstantiated adjective. The objective phrase is "Law of Moses," i.e., the Torah or the Pentateuch. This statement should simply read (proposed change):

The ancient Law of Moses (the Torah) forbids men lying with men (intercourse) in Leviticus 18 and gives a story of attempted homosexual rape in Genesis in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, the cities being soon destroyed after that. The death penalty was prescribed.(EnochBethany (talk) 03:30, 4 July 2010 (UTC))

Edit request from PUNAISTA, 8 July 2010

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On the section concerning Finland I would take into notice that there is a new proposition on a law legalising same-sex marriages. The proposition is supported by the major political parties, including the National Coalition Party, the Social Democratic Party, the Left Alliance, the Green League and the Swedish People's Party and the liberal wing of the Centre Party.

The law would become into effect in 2012 at it's earliest.

PUNAISTA (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. And, furthermore, I'd wait until this bill is passed or gets shot down. Salvio ( ^{Let's talk 'bout it!}) 21:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

UAE Status in image

I was told on the image discussion page to post corrections on a page that links to the image, so I will.

The map of LGBT rights is wrong for the UAE. It should be dark red, not orange. (It uses the death penalty). This got changed during some dispute over Switzerland (I think), during which time the UAE became gray, then orange. Could someone please change this who knows how to do so?

99.60.56.161 (talk) 00:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

This question is unclear. See [1] Ron 1987 01:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

If that is the case (and most of the source you cited says that the death penalty is in place in the UAE), then why hasn't this article been updated to reflect that? That's my main problem. If there really is no death penalty in the UAE for homoseuxality, then both the article and the picture should reflect that. If the death penalty is applied, then that should be stated in both. 99.60.56.161 (talk) 07:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Ireland and California

Noticed in the image that the statuses of Ireland and Cali aren't quite up-to-date. Ireland has civil unions now (it's officially law, will be enacted in 2011) and California... well its status is ambiguous, but as of right now it is legal. Might want to change the image to reflect that. 66.31.36.245 (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Argentina

Erm why hasn't Argentina been updated on this page? Same-sex marriage and adoption are now legal and are being preformed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 16:36, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

South America

The Same-sex marriage section of: Ecuador, Paraguay and Chile should be changed to 'but proposed.' Also, Peru's Civil Union section should be changed to but proposed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.142.73 (talk) 22:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

USA - Matthew Shepard Act

Under the United States anti-discrimination laws section, it first says "No federal protections", then goes on to say that the Matthew Shepard act means it's "Included in the federal hate crimes law since 2009." I'm confused. If they mean no specific federal protections, can someone edit it to say this? --76.166.187.131 (talk) 23:25, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Discrimination in Serbia

I wonder why does this article say that "some discrimination is banned in Serbia" since The Law agaist Discrimination forbids all discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender (includes all LGBT population).

Discrimination in Serbia

I wonder why does this article say that "some discrimination is banned in Serbia" since The Law agaist Discrimination forbids all discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender (includes all LGBT population). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefflo88 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Map--Recognition of same sex marriage, but same sex marriages not performed category underrepresented.

In Wyoming, for example, same-sex marriages from other places are recognized. There is a law that restricts marriage to male/female partners, but it does not disallow the state from recognizing same sex unions certified in other places, which they currently do; In fact, proposed legislation in 2009 in the WY state legislature that would have disallowed recognition of gay marriages from other states failed. So as of now, while marriage lisences are only issued to male/female couples, same sex unions from other places are reconggnzed (so WY should be light blue like most of Mexico on the map). I don't have a reference handy, but the reason I'm mentioning this is that I bet there are more places where this is the case. Wwelch000 (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2010 (UTC)wwelch000

pov-pushing by article title

This is supposed to be a serious article about homosexuality laws worldwide. "LGBT rights", by contrast, is just an idiosyncratic propaganda term used by proponents of certain homosexuality legislation. It is a blatant violation of our neutrality principle to use this term as if it had any official currency. Show me one official government document where "LGBT rights" is used as a term for such legislation. My impression is that this is just an attempt to abuse Wikipedia for the promotion of a neologism. Homosexual acts are legal and have been legal as a matter of course in all of the western world for half a century. This means just that, the legal status of homosexual acts. It has nothing to do with the term "LGBT", a term coined decades after the legislation of homosexual acts in the western world. --dab (𒁳) 21:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely, dab. This article (and many others) pov-push simply from the title itself (not to mention the pov-pushing content). The title should definitely be changed. It is a direct violation of NPOV. ΙΧΘΥΣ (talk) 05:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Same-sex Unions in India

Someone put "YES", in general terms same-sex unions are not illegal (in many countries where homosexuality is not illegal) and many same-sex couples officiate (simbolic) unions, the deal in that field is the recognition,the state's recognition of such unions, and it would have been an important news if India as a country would recognize it. In many journal it would be appearede "FIRST ASIATIC COUNTRY that legallizes same-sex marriage" I think it is a NO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.69.101.111 (talk) 05:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)