Talk:Spain

Population

Population is more than 46 milions, is 46.951.532

POV edit by User:James Bond 000

I reverted[1] a recent edit by the above user as they did not adhere to a neutral point of view and also introduced grammatical errors. Jezhotwells (talk)

Protestant Christians as a percentage

Is there a reason why they aren't shown in the bar graph at the side in the religion section ? the section says they number over a million (which would be 2.5-3%) but they aren't shown. Also, who is represented by non religious ?Grmike (talk) 05:09, 27 January 2011 (UTC)grmike

Edit Request Ethnicity information

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Renaming section Ethnicity in information box to Nationality or removal of this section. The sourced percentages provided are for citizenship and not ethnicity. Spain doesn't keep track of ethnicity nor does it define what it means to be an ethnic Spaniard. The information provided is false and misleading. See this talk page for more details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Grondolf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#Ethnicity.2C_percentages_and_numbers_across_Wikipedia_articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Spanish_people#Number_of_Spanish_people_in_Spain --Grondolf (talk) 23:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Done by user. -Atmoz (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Spain climate map is totally wrong according to Köppen climate classification because its more tropical

Spain has 5 climates, with Mediterranean contrasting 2 versions. Climates of Spain from the most common to the least common:

• Mediterranean climate (most of Spain):
  • Hot summer Mediterranean Csa
  • Warm summer Mediterranean Csb (IMO Cuenca and Teruel surroundings are more like Csb, see climographs)
• Oceanic climate Cfb (Most of Coastal Galicia, except a part in Northern Galicia -see Köppen map-, Northern Spain, and valleys of the Pyrenees)
• Semi-arid climate:
  • Hot/Mild Semi-arid climate BSk (Southern Alicante, Murcia -excepting Segura basin???-, Albacete, Almería, Zaragoza, West Canary Islands)
• Alpine climate ET/H (there are some mountain ranges missing, you could add altitudes above 2,000~2,500m in Spain=alpine climate. The 400m (southern plateau)~800m (northern plateau) of the Spanish Meseta slightly modifies the inland Mediterranean climate, but this is not alpine/mountain/continental but full Mediterranean climate (Csa or Csb) with some highlands influence (extremer thermic variations day/night and slightly cooler in winter than coastal mediterranean, whereas coastal areas exhibit milder contrasts/variations)
• Arid climate:
  • Mild desert climate BWn (East Canary Islands, some concrete areas in Almería, as Tabernas Desert)

Can anyone see there are many mistakes on the map shown: Of course, Spain has 3 main climates -Mediterranean:Csa/Csb, oceanic:Cfb and semi-arid:BSk, in less proportion there are also alpine/highland and mild desert (like in Lima, Peru). Most of Galicia has oceanic climate (Cfb), precipitations are more constant than in León (Csb), so it is a mistake to classify it as Mediterranean when it is not, also Asturias, Cantabria, it doesn't make sense the Basque Country is oceanic and Asturias and Galicia are not. I suggest to remove the current climate map of Spain according to Köppen classification displayed on this article until you provide with a verified and veridic climate map of Spain.

One more thing, do you have any sources for this stamente:

"For some authors, Galicia presents an oceanic climate too, because of lower temperatures in summer than in the typical Mediterranean climate. Nevertheless, North-west Spain is often concerned by forest fires due to the summer drought, and has more shunshine duration than the typical oceanic regions."

Where are the references? If there are not references that prove this, this should be considered for deletion. 178.103.25.7 (talk) 01:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

The source is here (german-austrian searchers) : http://www.schweizerbart.de/resources/downloads/paper_free/55034.pdf (see p.3). You can also find it directly here :

http://www.geographyalltheway.com/ib_geography/ib-extreme-environments/imagesetc/kottek_et_al_2006.gif

In fact, there have been several updates of the köppen-geiger classifications. The world Köppen's map that you are talking about is one update among others, but this last one has denatured the Köppen's work at least in the D domain (continental) by taking the average isotherm 0°C in the coldest month instead of -3°C, so its accuracy is questionable.

The difference between the plateau and the coastal areas is a nuance which exist in the Spanish litterature, but does not appear in the climates classifications (it remains Csa in the southern and eastern part of the plateau, Csb in the Northwestern part).

"Most of Galicia has oceanic climate"

Not according to sources, excepted maybe for some localized mountainous areas, due to the summer drough.

it doesn't make sense the Basque Country is oceanic and Asturias and Galicia are not."

Galicia has a dry season (in summer), hence Cs classification, while it is not the case for Basque Country (Cantambria is included in Cfb).

About the forest fires, you can find this (Spanish ZAR and other informations) :

http://www.iberianature.com/material/fire.html

This map is not perfect (mountains areas seem to be overrated), but it is probably the most academic and accurate that we can find. --Milkrawler (talk) 18:54, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

And what about Asturias? Why is it Csb? IMO there are not huge differences among the climates of Asturias, Cantabria and Basque Country (and also most of coastal Galicia). Compare climographs of A Coruña, Oviedo, Santander and Bilbao (West-to-East), what are the differences? (all have a drier season in summer). 178.111.189.136 (talk) 16:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Technically, you are right about Asturias. But don't forget that those maps are simplified maps, and Asturias remains a small region compared to the other communities. You can send a message to the author of the map to prolonge the Cfb area to Asturias, but his map is according to official sources, so I don't know if it would be a good thing. You will never find a map with perfect areas, there will always be micro-climates.

About Galicia, once again, the dummer drought (especially in A Coruna) makes the fundamental difference with the rest of the northern coast.

"all have a drier season in summer"

"dry" and "drier" are too different notions. "Dry" is a technical and scientifical term which is defined by scientifical features (rate between temperature and precipitations, cumulation of Precipitations...), while "drier" indicates only a trend : in a lot of non mediterranean-climates,you can find drier trends. This is the case for the Cfb areas in summer, but also many continental regions in winter.

Edit request

{{edit semi-protected}} The history section incorrectly states that the "first known peoples of present-day Spain were the Celts and the Iberians." The first known peoples were the Basques. They are thought to have evolved from the Cro-Magnons who inhabited the area some 40,000 years ago. In contrast, the Iberians and Celts are thought to have inhabited Spain no earlier than about 800BC.

The Basque territory straddled the border of Spain and France, but some of their territory was (and still is) in Spain and the article should reflect that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.247.158 (talk)

 Not done - there's no mention of the Basque people during early Spain anywhere in the History of Spain article either, the earliest mention there being that the language was spoken during the 13th century. However, both articles are poorly-sourced in this regard - if you have a reliable online source to verify your claim, please post it here and re-add the {{edit semi-protected}} template, and I (or another editor) will change that entry. (Also, please add your signature on talk pages using "~~~~" in future - thanks a lot.) -- gtdp ^(T)/_(C) 17:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)