User talk:Moonriddengirl

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Refresh your page to see what time it is now. Simone Rota Someone started a PROD but not posted any notice in my talk page. And it was deleted. But in fact he is a notable player, and if lack of content, just simply notify me to rewrite it, instead of silently deleted. Would you like to restore the history and i will rewrite it. Matthew_hk tc 10:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC) Sorry that you weren't notified. Personally, I think that should be a requirement, especially when the contributor is still active. But WP:PROD is rather tepid about that: "The article's creator or other significant contributors should ideally be left a message...." (sigh) PRODded articles can be overturned on request. I can userfy it for you...or I can just bring it back in article space, where you can do whatever improvements you see fit. After it is restored, it cannot be PRODded again, per policy, although it may be nominated for AfD. Which would you prefer? You want me to userfy it or put it back in article space? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC) I prefer article space. Matthew_hk tc 06:52, 28 April 2011 (UTC) It's been restored. You may want to expand it quickly, as there is a chance it will be nominated for AfD. The {{ProdContested}} notice given to the PROD nominator mentions that option. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Creating a BLP almost three years ago with only an infobox and a one liner intro and only making a total of three other (minor) edits on the page then complaining about it over two months later after it was PRODed? Even if it was done "silently"? Hmmm... You would've expected a little more in the article by now as well, especially since Matthew all of a sudden says "he could rewrite it." But that's another thing, as you would be able to see in the revision history of the page, I've contributed to it and would've contributed more if there was actual coverage. But there's none except for stats sites which also contradict each other. Anyway, if it floats Matthew's boat to restore it, good for him right? I'll walk away. Banana Fingers (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Expand a little. Banana, you can discuss notability somewhere or request someone to expand the "article" which without content in WP:Footy, but not silently delete it. You did not notify WP:footy nor myself. Matthew_hk tc 10:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Copyright vio photos User:Jkirks uploaded three photos of basketball players from the 1940s and claimed that he took the pics (with a Canon digital camera no less), and that he was "releasing" them into the public domain. The photos in question were used for the Jimmy McNatt article. After a request had been placed on them for deletion per copyvio (at my request), they were eventually deleted per consensus. CommonsDelinker removed them today, and Jkirks tried to undo the edit, thinking the photos would reappear. I reverted that edit of his, explaining that the pics were deleted in the edit summary. Literally less than 20 minutes later, the exact same 4 photographs were re-added to the article after Jkirks had re-uploaded them, except this time under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 licensing. Will you please have these files speedily deleted, and explain to Jkirks that just because he takes a photograph of a photograph does not mean there is a transference of copyright ownership? Thank you in advance. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. I'm not an admin on Commons, but I can point it out at their admin noticeboard. :) I certainly will explain the issue in more detail at his talk page there. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:38, 2 May 2011 (UTC) I just tagged all 4 for speedy deletion. <shrug> VernoWhitney (talk) 19:42, 2 May 2011 (UTC) I went ahead and asked User:Dcoetzee to take a look. My real question here, I guess, is what happens when people willfully reupload deleted content. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Answer, they get blocked :-P This kind of active deception will not be tolerated. Images deleted as well. Dcoetzee 19:57, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the quick help. I feel like this situation is close to being resolved for good. Jrcla2 (talk) 20:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC) The Signpost: 2 May 2011 News and notes: Picture of the Year voting begins; Internet culture covered in Sweden and consulted in Russia; brief news In the news: Wikipedia users name "superinjunction celebrities"; brief news WikiProject report: The Physics of a WikiProject: WikiProject Physics Features and admins: The best of the week Arbitration report: Two new cases open – including Tree shaping case Technology report: Call for RTL developers, varied sign-up pages and news in brief Read this Signpost in full · Single-page · Unsubscribe · EdwardsBot (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC) Barnstar The Working Woman's Barnstar for edits like this and edits I didn't know existed. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 06:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Thank you! :) There's a lot of work to do on Wikipedia, and I try to help out where I can. In terms of that, I also like to let people know that their work is appreciated. I'm always grateful when people take their time to help fix problems. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Tronic Studio I'm very sorry about not responding but I don't think she got the email. Would it be possible for you to resend her the email at vivianrosenthal@tronicstudio.com? Thank you very much in advance!DBelozersky (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks! Thank you so much for all your help!DBelozersky (talk) 16:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Nair I have been trawling through the Nair article, for my sins. Indian articles are an absolute nightmare. Anyways, your advice on a possible copyvio would be appreciated. My suspicion is that upwards of 50% of this article is either that or plagiarism, this being a fairly typical figure for such articles in my experience. The bit I have an immediate concern over occurred way back in March 2007, around 9th/10th March. The content under the Socio-political section heading includes. among other issues, the words "The impact of the market economy, the disappearance of traditional military training, the absorption of new values through the new system of education, the self-consciousness being generated among the lower castes and their cry for equality and privileges - all these factors brought about a decline of Nair dominance." The phrasing absolutely screams of a violation. I phrase things like that here, but not many Indian contributors do, and of course the article is mainly edited by them. I can find the words on an Indian govt website which claims a copyright year of 2005. Can I trust that copyright year, or do you think it might be a standard page footer referring to the site design rather than the content? I am aware that the Indian government is not adverse to copyvios itself, and in this instance could just possibly be a mirror of WP. - Sitush (talk) 16:43, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. :) Sorry that this issue exists, and I agree with you that the language is a powerful red flag. We can't ever, I'm afraid, trust the dates of copyright on websites. Frequently, these are site-wide and may not reflect the date of authorship at all. Some web masters seem to copy pages from their own domains, including copyright information. The first thing I do in these cases is check Wayback. That archival system does not, unfortunately, help here. They don't have any record of that page. My next step is to look for signs of natural evolution. If changes to the content in our article make it more like that website, then there are greater odds that they took it from us than the other way around. I'll poke at it for a minute to see what I can find. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:56, 3 May 2011 (UTC) I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that I had already checked Wayback & found nothing there. The relevant bit of the WP article was a straight insert, and there were quite a few other bits inserted over that 24/48 hour time period also, which may mean more digging if this does look likely to be a vio. - Sitush (talk) 17:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC) No problem. :) I'm doing the edit by edit check at the moment looking for the first alteration of that chunk of text. Haven't found it yet. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Still searching. So tedious! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Found it - here - Sitush (talk) 17:42, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Oh, great! I'll compare that content to the current article and then to the source through our Duplication detector so I can see what, if anything, has changed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:45, 3 May 2011 (UTC) I've poked at this content from every direction I can think of, including checking for phrases in [1] that were not added by that IP to see if there was ever any other duplication, and I cannot positively determine whether the content is ours or not. :/ In accordance with WP:C, that means we really need to replace the content with material that we are sure is clean. Not that we go about doing this for everything, but there are red flags in that content, it is published elsewhere, and we are exhorted to "if in doubt, write the content" ourselves. Do you feel up to replacing that suspect stretch of content with clean? If not, I'll remove it with an explanation of why at the talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC) I don't really know enough about the subject to source it, plus I have a lot of "fights" going on at other Indian articles at the moment. Some Indian editors trust my judgement in evaluating sources sufficiently to have agreed that I should mediate ... but in the majority of cases I'm dealing with IP editors etc who are really just POV pushing and it is a nightmare. It gets worse on the Nair article, BTW. This edit includes exactly the same phrasing as this book. The book publication date is 2009 and the edit is 2008 ... but I'm pretty sure that I've either seen an earlier version of the book (it crops up in various articles I've already been involved with) or I've seen a paper on which the book was based. Why someone from England, who has no connection with India at all other than enjoying the occasional curry, feels the urge to get involved in these articles is beyond me. I need someone to certify me as insane. - Sitush (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC) BTW, I pretty much had to rewrite Paravar for these sort of reasons. - Sitush (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2011 (UTC) The only good news there is that we don't have to presume copyvio of the book because Gyan Publishing House is a known mirror (Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Ghi#Gyan Publishing House). Unless we find a copy of the book that predates our article, we can assume that they took it from us. I'll go ahead and remove the content from that IP with an explanation at the talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC) That is good news. I wasn't aware of a list of mirrors but just that one example is going to be very useful to me. - Sitush (talk) 18:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC) A follow-up if you do not mind, please? The Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks article lists rediff.com as a problem source in relation to one article. I've had some doubts about it in the past but cannot recall where. Put simply, even though the lists only itemises one specific example of concern should it be taken to mean that Rediff is not deemed reliable across all WP articles? I've looked at WP:RSN & note that it appears four or five times there, which is not what I would describe as a "repeat offender" situation. - Sitush (talk) 21:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC) The fact that there is a single instance of mirror doesn't necessarily mean that's all there is, but I'll note that I once found copying of Wikipedia's content into an ESPN article. They are generally regarded as reliable, but evidently they had at least one less than ethical journalist. :) My general instinct would be not to eliminate an entire site if the copying is likely the action of one person, but it might be worth asking at WP:RSN again, with a focus on the mirroring issue if you have wider concerns. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC) That sounds sensible - I was uncertain because of the attitude to Gyan. Anyways, thanks very much for your time spent regarding these issues. Much appreciated and I've learned something new! - Sitush (talk) 13:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC) PR Image issues Hi, Moonriffengirl. How is this issue going? I just noticed the talk was archived. Can we act upon these images? I ask because there are another group of Puerto Rico related images that I also believe are wrongly tagged as PD, but, given the temper of that project's users, I would prefer to resolve one issue per turn. --Damiens.rf 16:52, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. Alas, we didn't get any more free images that I know of than were documented there. :/ Some of them may be retainable under non-free content policy, I suppose. I'd like to convert what I can before taking any others to PuF. I'm just never very comfortable with FURs for people, even dead ones, having encountered some bafflingly contradictory interpretation of the application to them in the past. :) The lack of source information for many of these images makes me all the more uneasy about trying to convert them, but I guess I'll have to go give it a go anyway. You're fairly up on the way NFC images are currently handled, aren't you? For instance, File:Oscarcollazo.jpg looks like it could be a good for Oscar Collazo, but not Puerto Rican Nationalist Party, Puerto Rican Nationalist Party Revolts of the 1950s or Truman assassination attempt. Would you agree? I've been waiting for Tony to return to Wikipedia, and I noticed that he had edited his page today. I need to move forward with that. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2011 (UTC) I had forgotten about that conversation - I'm inclined to go through the images that teb728 retagged and list them at PUF again for broader community input given the ambiguity of their original release. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC) The ones to which he added {{PD-PRGov-PRSHP}}? That may be best. In terms of the NFC question re: the other images, what do you think? Should I try to convert what I can to FUR? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:13, 3 May 2011 (UTC) The Oscar Collazo examples you gave (and I believe this will be the same for many other images) is still problematic because of a lack of source. We know the image was used by the PR Institute of Culture and nothing more (or am I missing something?). Their policies state "algunos materiales han sido donados u obtenidos por individuos u organizaciones y su uso pudiera estar restringido. Este portal contiene información que es protegida por derechos de propiedad intelectual y derechos morales de autor." (google translation: some materials have been donated or obtained by individuals or organizations and their use would be restricted. This site contains information that is protected by intellectual property rights and moral rights.). We don't use non-free images like these. (Google mistranslation above - should be translated "and their use may be restricted"; "would possibly be restricted" would be correct if there was a conditional phrase following)Opbeith (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC) If you really want to wait for Tony's comeback, we can give it a try. But with all due respect, I don't see him being of much help here. He writes a lot about Puerto Ricans, but when it comes to image policies he's still an eternal newbie. I have been cleaning his mess for ages (and I say that with all due respect to him as a Wikipedian and person). VernoWhitney, why would we need broad community consensus in a question that has been already nailed by our attorney. You know how rare it is for an attorney to give concrete legal advice as in this case? What more are we going to ask the community about? --Damiens.rf 17:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC) We have the statement that the license isn't usable, but the images were originally tagged by me and then retagged by teb728 based on incomplete information and assumptions, so it's a question of whether or not they're usable under the still-valid {{PD-PRGov-PRSHP}} which they're currently tagged as. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Oh, that's a different OTRS ticket, right? The one that says the images "are public domain if they were photographs developed as part of an HPF Sub grant sponsored by their Office". I see. I'm totally for a check on the validity of this ticket just as well. The template was created by the same user as the original problematic one, and he could have been equally confused. --Damiens.rf 17:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Yes, that's a different OTRS ticket - one that I approved actually, although if someone else wants to double-check whether it actually is sufficient or not that's perfectly fine by me. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC) (edit conflict) Yeah, the ones that are still in Category:Public domain images from the ICP need to be converted to non-free and have FURs added (and removed from some articles as you mentioned with your example). {{PD-PRGov-IPC}} should be sent through TfD (or just flat-out deleted) also to avoid future problems. I can put that on my todo list after messing around with {{Dual}} if your not comfortable with the FURs. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Any help you can offer with that would be greatly appreciated. :) I venture tentatively into FUR territory, except where I'm very confident of NFC application. I suppose we can add what source information we have and then tag it for more as needed? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Okay, on my todo list then. Obviously we'd like to have the most accurate source information possible, but so long as we have something that's generally sufficient for non-free purposes, and any problems with individual images can always go through more discussion at FfD. VernoWhitney (talk) 18:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Thank you. :) I doubt I'll ever feel as comfortable with images as I do with text...although I've come a long way. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Okay, most of the images in that category have now been successfully converted to non-free. There are 4 remaining where I felt no reasonable argument under WP:NFC could be made. I also tagged 2 of the images as replaceable fair use, sent one to FfD on similar grounds, sent one to PuF where it's a pre-1923 picture but there's no indication of publication date, sent the template to TfD and sent 2 collages incorporating non-free images to FfD. Now I'm working my way through the images that were retagged from IPC to PRSHP and then most everything should be set in motion. It looks like a review of User:Quazgaa's uploads may also be in order down the line depending upon the outcome(s) at PuF since they seem to have been rather liberal with their application of the PRSHP template. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Need your assistance 18:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Hi, Hope you are doing well, i need your assistance, can we talk over the phone, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bberry91077 (talk • contribs) Thanks for your note. I've replied at your talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:01, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Copying an information table... This question came up at the IRC help channel. Regarding this educational/scientific table [2] (image 1 halfway down the page): 1) Can we take a screenshot of it and upload it as an image? I'm assuming no since © 1991-2007 Institute for Molecular Manufacturing. All rights reserved. 2) Can we copy it verbatim into a table and cite it inline? 3) Can we paraphrase it without it being a) close paraphrasing or b) original research? Thanks for any thoughts. Cheers Ocaasi c 05:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. :) The guiding principle here is always degree of creativity. When information in graphs and tables is uncreative in its nature and in its presentation, we can have it. It's when either of those is creative that we run into issues. (See User:Moonriddengirl/Copyright in lists, which is still under development.) As a general rule of thumb, if neither presentation or information is creative, we may be able to have it or reproduce it. If presentation is creative but information is not, we can take the information and put it into a new presentation. If both are creative, we are limited to WP:NFC, which means we either have to make a "fair use" claim for it or paraphrase/summarize it. It can be hard to assess creativity when you aren't familiar with the field, but I would be concerned about Table 1 there (nonetheless because I read "A comparison of biochemical to macroscopic components will show the possibilities of the former by analogy to the latter " and find myself having no idea what the author means). I do not know how the compiler of that table selected those elements or organized them; I don't know if the molecular examples compared to the technology are given tropes in the field or are innovative to the author. I don't know why "struts" are on top and "numerical control systems" are on bottom. I'm afraid that it may be creative on both levels. Most likely, the best that we can do with the information is offer a summary, something akin to "In a 1981 paper, K. Eric Drexler created a table demonstrating functional analogies of technological systems to biochemical ones as a means of exploring additional potentials of the technology." (I'm guessing that's what he's doing. I'm not taking the time to read the whole thing. :)) "Among other examples, he suggested that, as units intended to move things, solenoids and actuators were comparable to conformation-changing proteins and actin/myosin."(cite) We can't reproduce the entire table in this way, but we can mention a few notable examples, more if we are "transforming" that information with critical expansion of Drexler's work. (Sometimes the best way to determine if a list is creative is to go to the people who know the field. Generally, I ask the people at WikiProjects and get pretty good feedback. Not sure which project might be best here, if you wanted to explore whether the table really is uncreative.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:58, 4 May 2011 (UTC) JS Group Hi there MRG! There's a request at RPP for full protection of this page because of copyright concerns. I see that you've been involved in it. Could you give it a quick look over and see if protection is needed. I'll keep an eye on it in the mean time for 3RR etc. Thanks! GedUK  12:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Sure. :) I'm looking into it now. We have had copyright problems in the article, largely as part of the greater battle between pro- and anti- warriors who are attempting to use reliable sources to validate their views, but not necessarily doing so correctly. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:37, 4 May 2011 (UTC) I don't see any signs of copyright problems in the latest batches of text, even those which have been removed. (I ran it through Earwig, which matched only quotes, and then did a spotcheck of a couple of the sources.) Some of them are overly promotional, but I think the contributor has taken on board the copyright concerns. We may wind up having to fully protect the page or block contributors for the content disputes, but I'm not sure we've reached that point yet. One of the contributors is doing a much better job lately of discussing concerns, although there are still COI issues. I'm reluctant to come down too fast for that kind of thing when it stems from an initial, legitimate BLP issue. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC) (Chiming in) Agreed, I think we have made a lot of progress. Hopefully the article can expand and improve. If content disputes continue, I will seek another remedy.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC) You're doing a great job there, NortyNort. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:15, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks, I try. You don't do too bad yourself! Whew. I hope your migraines have been getting better.--NortyNort (Holla) 13:19, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks. :) They're nowhere near as severe as they used to be. Ocasionally, I get a doozy, but most of the time they're low grade annoyances even when they do appear. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks a lot, I knew you'd be on it :) GedUK  19:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Question Hello Moonriddengirl, this is Survir. I just want to ask that can you have two seperate pages in wikipedia of a television programme that just changed the original title of the series, or do you just have one. For example, the following television serial Shubh Kadam which aired back in 2008-09 was named Kaisi Laagi Lagan first, but after 6 months of its launch the title of the series was changed to Shubh Kadam. So can we divide them into two seperate seasons and list them under "followed by" in infobox template or you just have one page with the current title? The directors of the series were also replaced after its name change. Moreover, when launched as Kaisi Laagi Lagan, it focused on college track, but when the couple tied the knot, the series was named Shubh Kadam. So what do you say...? Survir (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Hello, Survir. :) I'd say this is really a question for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television, but my own opinion would be that the title of the earlier version would stand as a redirect to the new title, which would document the entire history of the show. At least, I think this would be a proper handling if the show has the same story continuity and is not a spin off or a sequel. For example, American television show All in the Family launched a number of spin-offs, using some of the characters from the original: Maude (TV series), The Jeffersons, etc. It also had a sequel: Archie Bunker's Place. Each of these have new articles. However, the television show that started off as These Friends of Mine is described at Ellen (TV series), as Ellen is the better-known title. Black Sheep Squadron is known by its earlier, more famous title at Baa Baa Black Sheep (TV series). For one example where two titles are retained when a series is retitled, Good Morning, Miss Bliss has its own article, because the story changed enough that Saved by the Bell is regarded as a substantially different show. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Deer Isle I just noticed that the majority of Deer Isle Bridge is taken directly from the HAER document linked at the bottom. As a work of the National Park Service, it's presumably public domain, but as a direct copy-paste, isn't it plagiarism? --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:09, 4 May 2011 (UTC) (Which raises questions about Ron Nelson (composer), which I likewise swiped from a USGov source...) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC) Well, the good news is that if it is plagiarism, it's every so easy to remedy on Wikipedia. All you need is the right attribution template. :) Off to look. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:08, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Okay, I've located and added the proper template to Deer Isle Bridge. You want to drop one on Ron Nelson (composer)? They're all to be found at Category:United States government attribution templates. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:17, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Got it, much obliged. :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC) New content for Hindu Janajagruti Samiti Hi Moonriddengirl, This is regarding "Hindu Janajagruti Samiti" article. Do you think below content looks ok to you ? I tried my best to take care of copyright concers which were raised with previous version of article. Apart from adding the references if there are any suggessions for improving this article upto wikipedia standards, Please let me know. Sanatany (talk) 03:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (Registration No. : 1540 / I-634) Establishment : Chhatrapati Shivaraya kept aside all the differences and united and formed an army of ‘mawlas’. He established ‘Hindvi Swaraj’ with the belief that it was the wish of God. Similarly, keeping aside the constraints of organizations, sects, castes etc. Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (HJS) was established, on the spur-of-the-moment, on the auspicious day of ‘Ghat-sthapana (Navaratri)’ [Ashwin Shu. Pratipada, 7th October 2002] for uniting Hindus and establishment of righteous Hindu Nation. Activities of HJS have now spread all over the country with the grace of God and support of devout Hindus. Aim: 1. To impart ‘Dharmashikshan’ to Hindus and motivate them to follow ‘Dharmacharan’. 2. To develop patriotism and love and respect towards Dharma among Hindus. 3. Protection of Nation and Dharma. 4. Unite Hindus for establishment of Hindu Nation Successful drive of Hindu unity : Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabhas are organized to create awareness among Hindus towards various attacks on Hindu Dharma; for uniting them and sow in them, the seed of establishment of Hindu Nation. In the last 3 years, more than 8,00,000 devout Hindus attended 750 such ‘sabhas’ held in 7 languages in 13 States. Outcome of the ‘sabhas’ : 1. Many pro-Hindu organizations came together for the sake of Dharma 2. Many youth members were freed from their addictions and joined activities related to protection of Dharma 3. In many villages, different factions forgot their differences and came together 4. Hindus, who were not part of any pro-Hindu groups, became active for establishment of Hindu Nation Activities related to ‘Dharmashikshan’ 1. ‘Dharmashikshan’ Classes : HJS conducts 600 weekly / fortnightly ‘Dharmashikshan’ classes wherein science behind various acts of ‘Dharmacharan’ like going to temple for ‘darshan’, apply ‘Tila’ on the forehead etc. is explained in detail. 2. ‘Dharma-satsangs’ telecast on TV channels : A series of ‘Dharma-satsangs’ titled ‘Science behind religious rituals/ acts’ has been prepared by HJS, in Hindi (in 200 parts of 25 minutes each) for reaching the knowledge of ‘Dharma’ to every house. Presently, these ‘Dharma-satsangs’ are being telecast on the national channel ‘Sudarshan’ and nearly 80,00,000 Hindus are getting benefit of these ‘Satsangs’ through local Cable Channels. ‘Prasar’ through ‘Dharmaphalaks (Display Boards)’ : Information on incidents related to attack on Hindu Dharma and oppression of Hindus besides current affairs and science behind celebrating various religious festivals is written on 1050 display boards regularly on behalf of HJS Social Activities HJS is also engaged in social activities like cleaning of temples, holding blood donation camps, aid to flood-affected citizens, planting of trees etc. It is the duty of every Hindu to sacrifice something for Dharma ! It is necessary that everyone participates in the activities related to protection of Nation and Dharma. It is an appeal to Hindus that in case they are unable to devote time for such activities, they can at least offer donations every month and perform their duty towards Dharma. HJS claims that their website www.HinduJagruti.org is one of the most-visited among all pro-Hindu websites in the world – 1,40,000 readers per month from 175 countries Science behind religious rituals / acts with demonstrations Solutions on attacks on Dharma Latest activities related to protection of Hindu Dharma Publishing of series of articles, VCDs etc. Active organization of awakened Hindus ! Will create Nation for Hindus ! Sanatany (talk) 03:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Hello. Thanks for your work towards revising this! In order to fully evaluate copyright concerns, I do need links to your sources, though. Can you provide those? Also, does the article end with the words "planting of trees etc."? The line makes it look as though what follows is separate, but I'm unsure if you mean that to be subsections of the same article. IF so, I'm afraid that content such as "It is the duty of every Hindu to sacrifice something for Dharma !" is probably inappropriate, even if true. What we try to do here is provide information that uninvolved sources have written about notable subjects. The article should focus primarily on what others have said about Hindu Janajagruti Samiti . --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:44, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Statues Hi, a quick question please. Are most photographs of modern statues against Wiki-rules? The page Miguel Bejarano Moreno has two of his statues, and both images have been marked as candidates for deletion on commons as copyvio based on the "presumption" that they were copyrighted. I have no idea if that approach is valid, given that there are plenty of statue images, and we do not know if the statue was coprighted. Are all statues to be banished from commons? It would seem like a loss. Your comments on the commons page for these two will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 16:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. I'm afraid that we do have to presume modern sculptures are copyrighted, but that doesn't mean that Commons has to eliminate all of them. There is a concept in copyright law called Freedom of Panorama. These rules vary country by country, but in those countries that have them (not the U.S.) pictures of copyrighted statues may be permitted depending on where and how they are displayed. (See also Commons:Commons:Freedom of panorama.) I can't really weigh in on those deletion debates without knowing in which countries those statues are found and where they are displayed. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks, and your links already provided useful information that answers the question. E.g. for the US there is a red flag for artwork and a green light for buildings. For Spain and Holland where those statues are, there is no red flag for artwork. You know a lot about these things, so I am glad I asked you first. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 17:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC) I'm glad if I could help. :) And I'm sorry if I misled you, I meant that pictures of copyrighted statues were not permitted if they were hosted in the U.S. I didn't mean to imply that nothing in the public in the U.S could be photographed, but I see that's how it came out. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC) (Oh, looking at these statues and knowing where they are: one factor to consider here is that they are not shown in their surroundings, but isolated. I'm afraid that this may still be a problem under Neverthelands FOP. :/ I do not know if the Netherlands regard churches as "public" in their definition, but the Commons guideline specifically mentions that "the picture must show the work as it appears in the public place. (A photograph showing a sculpture in its surroundings is OK. Cutting out the sculpture and using only the image of the sculpture is not covered by article 18.)" --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Tronic Studio Hey I'm sorry to bother you again but Tronic has not received the email yet, I just wanted to check the status...thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DBelozersky (talk • contribs) 19:05, 5 May 2011 (UTC) Osama bin Laden Hi, I took a little break from my "pet" project to contribute to the Osama bin Laden article, mainly the events surrounding his death. For the first time, I got a true taste of how incredible this system is of bringing together several interested contributors. I would write a few sentences, and within an hour it would morph in to this overall much better, more detailed content by virtue of everyone adding a bit, taking a way a bit, etc.. It really was fun to watch, and I was excited for the first time when working on content. On the evening of May 1st, I thought I would "rush" over to the article, having been at the Television when the announcement came through, but um, NO, there were already several others typing away! It really was something. Interestingly, I had no prior interest in this subject content, but a little research, and help from others, and well, it's developed into (or added to) at least 4 forked articles, along-side this one. I realize this is just an impromptu message, but your advice to check out other areas is what led me to it, so... ...thanks for the support and advice. Dijcks | InOut 00:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC) That's great! It can help to deal with the hard times if you know how the model works when it's at its best. :D Thanks for letting me know. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Netball reprise I have been pressed to disclose further examples of the close paraphrasing. I left this. Could you advise as to what corrective action should be taken? Anything I would do would be viewed as provocation, but the table in Netball and the Olympic Movement is not properly attributed back to Women's sport at the Olympics. Footnote 5 in both articles is broken in exactly the same way. Finally the table itself is extremely problematic. Please help and advise. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 01:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Hi. :) In this case, in terms of copying from one article to another, we're okay. The thing to do when you find duplicated content between articles is look to the point of origin. If its placed by a different user or contains content created by a different user, we would address it as recommended at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. When it's all by one, it's not an issue at all. So, it would be okay on that front anyway, but here there is an additional factor: it is effectively an extended quote. When a quotation is copied from one article to another, unless fresh creative content is brought with it, there's no attribution requirement at all to the person who placed the quote. Placing a quote in an article does not give one any copyright, so there are no attribution rights for it. However, I agree with you that the table itself is problematic. The article reproduces it in structure and language, and I suspect that both are amply creative enough for protection. (See User:Moonriddengirl/Copyright in lists.) The question is whether the use of that content, which is fully cited, is too extensive for WP:NFC. I need to mull that one over to see what I think myself. I don't think it's a bright line case, although it is a legitimate question, and I may tag it {{non-free}} and invite discussion at the talk page of one or both of the articles. My gut feeling is that it may be okay for Women's sport at the Olympics, but not for Netball and the Olympic Movement, since parts of it are utterly irrelevant to the latter sport. I think this would fail our usual approach to NFC in respect of minimal usage necessary for our purposes and that quoting an excerpt from the table may be more appropriate. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:16, 6 May 2011 (UTC) I generally agree with your analysis, which was based on the assumption that fn 5 correctly reflects the source. It does not. The footnote must point to the actual source not to an irrelevant random page. The table should be indicated as "reprinted from" or "quoted from". As presently stated, there is no indication that the table is a in effect a tabular block quote from the Olympics fact sheet. Who should fix this? If I take the initiative, it will provoke a topic ban. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 14:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC) You may be overlooking that text, but it is there. :) Look at the sentence right above the table: "The table created at this meeting is provided below" --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Your comment is helpful, and reflects LauraHale very recent change. I hope she has a source for the table being "created at" the meeting. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Request Hi there. Would you have time to please check the follwoing three additions to a BLP article (1, 2 & 3) for possible copyright violations? The edits consist of copied material from an external site, whereby the editor simply copied material from one site and pasted the content into the BLP article. In my view, this appears to be a WP:COPYVIO issue. Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 09:36, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Sure. :) I'm off to look now. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Well, two of the links are mostly block quotes. The first one is just three sentences; it is appropriately attributing a point of view (although it needed WP:INTEXT attribution). The second one is a bit more substantial, and I'm unsure if all of it is needed. I do not think it is a copyright problem, however, although the quote may be excessive. I'd encourage you to trim it as you see fit. The other edit [3], adding content from this link, is a problem. I've removed it and will speak to the contributor about it. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks very much for taking the time to look into the issue. Amsaim (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Tronic Studio Thank you very much can you please let me know as soon as you receive it?DBelozersky (talk) 18:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)