User talk:Brambleclawx

en:User:Meaghan/Sunshine

Hello there, and welcome to my talkpage. Feel free to contact me here by starting a new section at the bottom of the page. Thank you, and remember, be polite! I will try to address any concerns, but in order to do that effectively, we must all be calm.

Also, please note that I will probably not need {{talkback}} templates: either I have watchlisted you (if I work with you often, or you are in WikiProject Warriors) or I will be periodically checking for replies.

Thank you! Brambleclawx

Beware! This user's talk page is patrolled by talk page stalkers.

Failed GA

I have failed at Talk:Moonrise (Warriors)/GA1. I feel pretty terrible about it since it looks like you guys are making a push to improve it. Unfortunately, I do not believe it was possible to get up to GA with that sourcing issue looming over it. I hope that the sourcing stuff all works out since you have a great base for GA.Cptnono (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Aircraft

		Wikiwings
		As thanks for your contribution of new aircraft articles MilborneOne (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Brambleclawx can I ask if you create any aircraft articles to please list them at Wikipedia:New articles (Aircraft), this helps members of the WP:AIRCRAFT project to see new articles and help as required, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure. I wasn't aware of the page. I will do so, as I plan on writing quite a few more. I'm not too good with categories, so I suppose that other users will be able to do this for me. Brambleclawx 02:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 February newsletter

So begins round two of the WikiCup! We now have eight pools, each with eight random contestants. This round will continue until the end of April, when the top two of each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers of those remaining, will make it to round three. Congratulations to The Bushranger (submissions) (first, with 487 points) and Hurricanehink (submissions) (second, with 459), who stormed the first round. Casliber (submissions) finished third with 223. Twelve others finished with over 100 points- well done to all of you! The final standings in round one can be seen here. A mere 8 points were required to reach round two; competition will no doubt be much more fierce this round, so be ready for a challenge! A special thanks goes, again, to Jarry1250 (submissions) for dealing with all bot work. This year's bot, as well as running smoothly, is doing some very helpful things that last year's did not. Also, thanks to Stone (submissions) for some helpful behind-the-scenes updating and number crunching.

Some news for those who are interested- March will see a GAN backlog elimination drive, which you are still free to join. Organised by WikiProject Good articles, the drive aims to minimise the GAN backlog and offers prizes to those who help out. Of course, you may well be able to claim WikiCup points for the articles you review as part of the drive. Also ongoing is the Great Backlog Drive, looking to work on clearing all of the backlogs on Wikipedia; again, incentives are offered, and the spirit of friendly competition is alive, while helping the encyclopedia is the ultimate aim. Though unrelated to the WikiCup, these may well be of interest to some of you.

Just a reminder of the rules; if you have done significant work on content this year and it is promoted in this round, you may claim for it. Also, anything that was promoted after the end of round one but before the beginning of round two may be claimed for in round two. Details of the rules can be found on this page. For those interested in statistics, a running total of claims can be seen here, and a very interesting table of that information (along with the highest scorers in each category) can be seen here. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 23:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

RefToolbar

Please see my reply at Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar 2.0#Troubleshooting. Thanks. Kaldari (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the issue with IE7 (which nearly caused me to pull my hair out since IE7 doesn't have a Javascript console or debugger). Note that IE7 really hates letting go of cached Javscript, so you may still see the problem for a little while even after clearing your cache. Kaldari (talk) 02:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

hey brambleclawx its Iclynn. thanks for helpin me out. I LUV WARRIORS :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iclynn (talk • contribs) 23:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Burnelli

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TSRL (talk) 20:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...

for [1]. Apparently, I still don't know how to spell bureaucrat. :) Also, I replied to your query. Regards, Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 17:34, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

FYI

I noticed that The Quest Begins has received a GA review here. Since you know a lot more about Warriors than I do, I was just bringing it to your attention so you could fix the small problem. I know Derild has been very busy. Glimmer721 ^talk 23:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Glimmer! Brambleclawx 14:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Welcome. I see it has passed! Glimmer721 ^talk 23:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yep! I do hope Derild's not getting too busy... Brambleclawx 14:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Cookies

By the way thanks for the cookies Brambleclawx. They look good--i wish i could eat them! --Iclynn (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to edit Wikipedia articles. If you need help, just ask me. Brambleclawx 22:25, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Risen tunes

Hi. I've changed your tag on this one. You used db-blank, but I think db-blanked is more appropriate, as the user had blanked the page. Confusing pair of tags, those. I've never seen db-blank before - I always use db-content (and get confused with -context). Peridon (talk) 23:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Brambleclawx 14:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I need help with this page:

WP:TALKNEW

Is it possible to transfer a page from Wiktionary to Wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_(size)

ClockToolBar (talk) 22:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I guess its possible, but we don't do that. Not only would it eb copyright violation by copying directly from Wiktionary, but also, Wiktionary and Wikipedia are seperate for a reason: Wikipedia is not a dictionary. So if you don't mind, it's best to just request deletion of Minute (size) by placing {{db-user}} on it. If people want they defintion of minute, they go to Wiktionary. Brambleclawx 22:33, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011 March newsletter

We are half way through round two of the WikiCup, which will end on 28 April. Of the 64 current contestants, 32 will make it through to the next round; the two highest in each pool, and the 16 next highest scorers. At the time of writing, our current overall leader is Hurricanehink (submissions) with 231 points, who leads Pool H. Piotrus (submissions) (Pool G) also has over 200 points, while 9 others (three of whom are in Pool D) have over 100 points. Remember that certain content (specifically, articles/portals included in at least 20 Wikipedias as of 31 December 2010 or articles which are considered "vital") is worth double points if promoted to good or featured status, or if it appears on the main page in the Did You Know column. There were some articles last round which were eligible for double points, but which were not claimed for. For more details, see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring.

A running total of claims can be seen here. However, numerous competitors are yet to score at all- please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. The number of points that will be needed to reach round three is not clear- everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn and The ed17 00:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Moonrise (Warriors)

Bramble, I was just about to review this article for GAR, but stopped myself. I understand that it was delisted and failed its first GAN for the same reason: sources. This is my feelings about sources and GAs: GAs have less stringent requirements than FAs, so its sources shouldn't be subject to the same requirements as FAs. However, unless you find better sources, I can tell you that it will not pass as an FA--ever. I know that an issue for this article, and all Warrior books, is sources, and I understand what that's like. It may simply be the case that the sources are unavailable to this article to be comprehensive. As a reviewer, I take that into account, so the sources wouldn't be an issue for me.

There is something else that is an issue for me, and is what stopped my review. There is really just one thing that will prevent this article from returning to GA-status, at least for me. The prose is very problematic. I think that for it to pass, you need a comprehensive copyedit. To illustrate my point, let's talk about the first sentence after the lead: :Although the book was written by Cherith Baldry, the pseudonym Erin Hunter was used, as several authors write the Warriors series. Technically, using the word "as" here is correct, but why say "as" when you really mean "because"? It's simpler language. It's also simpler language to never start a sentence with a conjunction ("although"), although again, it's technically correct. This is how I would change it: The book was written by Cherith Baldry, but the pseudonym Erin Hunter was used because several authors write the Warriors series. The article is full of this kind of thing. It makes for awkward and unclear prose.

So here's what I suggest. I would be willing to copyedit the article, but it probably means the article would look very different by the time I'm done. And I'm sure other editors would find issues with my use of prose as well. I also suggest that you remove its GAN until this happens. Let me know what you think. Blowing me off is fine too, but you should know that I doubt that it'd pass in its current state. And it certainly wouldn't pass an FAC, sourcing issues or no. Christine (talk) 04:00, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for offering to do this. Yes, sometimes I do find the way I write, although perfectly clear to people like myself, can be seen as complicated as others. Unfortunately, I didn't see this until right now, and as you can tell, the GAN's already being reviewed. The reviewer in question doesn't seem to have an issue with the prose, and is mostly going after the sourcing (as I expected). But after the GAN (regardless of whether it passes or fails, I'd be glad to have you take a look at the prose of the article. It's just that I don't think it's a very good idea to have a major prosaic style change in the middle of a GAN. Thanks again, Brambleclawx 01:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Perhaps I should have put the review on hold if I wanted to review it badly enough, but that didn't even occur to me. It's funny how different editors see things differently. I suspect, though, as I've said above, that if you were to bring this article any further, the prose and the sourcing would be an issue, although I'd support it based upon the reasons you give for using them. Please let me know if you decide to do anything more with this article. Christine (talk) 12:00, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Moonrise (Warriors)

The article Moonrise (Warriors) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Moonrise (Warriors) for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Cats

Hello BrambleclawX,

I have been thinking about making some changes to WikiProject Cats, and I was wondering if you might be able to help me or offer some suggestions. In the past months I have not been as active on Wikipedia as I once was and my watchlist has become so long that I often miss changes that are being made to the WikiProject Cats project page. Normally I like to greet any new participants and check the talk page to see if there are any concerns.

I am thinking about changing things and making my contact info more visible so that if people have any important questions, they can contact me directly. I hesitate to do this as I do not want to claim tsardom over WikiProject Cats; moreover, I know that there will be times when I will be away from Wikipedia for weeks at a time, so I feel I would need some assistance. Essentially, I would like to set up some sort of WikiProject Cats small work group – a committee or council – and, knowing of the kind of work you do here on Wikipedia, I thought you might have the right combination of skill and interested to be involved.

My first aim is just to make WikiProject Cats more accessible to new participants so that we can retain interested members. A more distant aim I have in mind (if I ever find enough time and energy (I have a tendency to be a bit of a WikiSloth)) is to start periodic newsletters to encourage involvement. If you have any interest in being more involved in WikiProject Cats, know of someone who is, or would just like to send me your opinions, give me a ring!

--Tea with toast _(talk) 02:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I see what you're getting at. I think it's a great idea. The way I work, I tend to pour all my focus at once into a single article, which is why I rarely get involved on the Project page/Project talk. I'd be willing to be an assistant of course! (I already feel like I have tsardom over WP:Warriors...) I can't guarantee that I have a lot of policy skill, but editing, I think I'm fairly good at that by now. (note that I may start getting busier within the next couple of years though). Brambleclawx 22:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, I don't think this will take much of your time. What I am looking for right now is a few assistant/officers that members can go to if I'm not around. For example, there have been times when I've posted things on the talk pages of other WikiProjects and never got a reply, and in those situations, I had hoped to find someone else to contact, but in the end nothing came of it. I don't want WikiProject Cats to be like that.

So, with your consent, I'll put you up as a secondary person to contact in case I am not available (i.e. when I have a "Wikibreak" tag on my talk page). Thanks for your willingness to help out! --Tea with toast _(talk) 03:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you have my consent. I will be glad to help out. Brambleclawx 22:33, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

You must be a Cat

B, you've either got magical powers like those Cats you like so much, or you've been reading my sandbox. I was writing some feedback as I've been copyediting Moonrise (Warriors) there, and then when I finished, I was going to cut-and-paste it into the talk page. Should I just put it there now? At any rate, I'm very impressed! ;) Christine (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I've been reading your sandbox. I fixed what I could... I can't really do anything about the author chats: they contain information that can't be found elsewhere. And yes, the Erins liked Brian Jacques before (i think that's implied the way I wrote the sentence). Erm... the way they picked people to be Erin Hunters would probably more appropriately be detailed at Erin Hunter, so I didn't put too much there. If you can think of more things to fix, sure, I'll try. Brambleclawx 15:21, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I've gone ahead and moved my notes to talk space, so go ahead and respond to them there. I expanded on the sourcing issue; I feel bad about it, because I know that it will disappoint you. See ya over there! Christine (talk) 12:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome.

And thank you for the cookiesIrishStephen (talk) 18:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Brambleclawx 18:48, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

me too! they were very tasty! Dionysodorus (talk) 21:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad you liked the welcome. If you need any help, you can ask me. Happy editing, Brambleclawx 21:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I also like the Warriors! I got my name from the website, anyway, just wanted to say hi! --Rainears (talk) 02:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Friendly wave hello

• waves*

MikeBeckett (talk) 15:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello! Brambleclawx 21:06, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Ta! User:MikeBeckett Please do say 'Hi!' 16:21, 13 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeBeckett (talk • contribs)

Your GA nomination of Moonrise (Warriors)

The article Moonrise (Warriors) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Moonrise (Warriors) for things which need to be addressed. -- Cirt (talk) 16:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Copyediting?

Hello, Brambleclawx. You have new messages at Mlpearc's talk page.
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Autopatroller

Hi Brambleclawx, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Sadads (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, if you get a chance, we are really short on New Page patrollers and could use some help on checking new articles at Special:NewPages. Thanks! Sadads (talk) 11:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I will join NPP as soon as time allows. Brambleclawx 00:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Warning

Rollback is a privilege, not a right, and this edit by you shows either ignorance of what my actual edit was, or you don't care that rollback is only to be used in clear, irrefutable instances of vandalism or else it can get taken away. If you are unfamiliar with rollbacking privileges I recommend you read up on them. Jrcla2 (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it was the first: I didn't understand what the edit was, and thought it was vandalism. I wouldn't mind if you explained what it is though (maybe through the edit summary). Brambleclawx 23:26, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

For your info

[2]

FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 21:49, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Update: I have provided basic background by email to the admins involved - Boing and Zero - (to a point they can understand the background but not to the point of breaching privacy policy), as a first step, to see whether they believe the matter can be dealt with on-wiki. If there is consensus it can be addressed on-wiki then this information will be posted at WP:ANI for the community to discuss and to also consider how to avoid it in future. If consensus is that it cannot easily or safely be resolved on-wiki, I will suggest the matter is treated per Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Confidential evidence and referred to Arbcom to decide upon. There's a good chance it can be handled safely on-wiki but I'd like to consult briefly before making such a call, in case I'm wrong or others aren't convinced.

I hope all involved will hold off any posts or escalation until we at least have clarity of consultation whether it can be handled on-wiki. Hopefully as all concerned are active right now, we'll have this within a short while (24 hrs latest). Thanks. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 00:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Noted. I have no particular interest in pursuing this further, as my only reason for action previously was mass questionable reversions, but as this issue appears now to be being taken care of, I will leave it, unless my further assistance is requested. Brambleclawx 01:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Right on

[3] Drmies (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Brambleclawx 22:47, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for your work on the Warriors (novel series) page, especially the section about Clan terminology that I added. For that, I give you this:

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For your tireless contributions cleaning up text on the Warriors (novel series) page, especially your edits with newer sections. Pumagirl7 Leave a message 21:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I hope that you receive many more. Pumagirl7 ^{Leave a message} 21:43, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Why, thank you!!! Warriors is what I'm best at. I was going to create a section similar to the one you wrote, but got lazy and never got around to actually writing it. So, I should also be thanking you! Brambleclawx 21:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Twinkle

Have you thought about using Twinkle? It makes new page db- tagging a lot easier, as well as other things. "Pepper" 15:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Shared computer. Plus, I'm using IE 7. But yes, I've thought about it before. Maybe when I get my own computer, I will. =) I've always thought of Twinklers as cheaters though, beating me to the reverts all the time. Brambleclawx 15:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk

Um, excuse me, how do I get to your talk page? 216.183.185.33 (talk) 19:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I notice you around greatly improving the warriors book pages,so I thought I should thank you.

Nyswimmer (talk) 02:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Aw... Thank you! I love this new WikiLove thing. =) So convenient, eh? Brambleclawx 21:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Warriors barnstar

Seeing as I don't have much experience in the issue, would you be up (and okay) with changing the "image" in the Warriors barnstar to the cat/bear logo instead of a "w"? "Pepper" 23:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to give it a shot. Brambleclawx 19:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Replaced the image, but for some reason, it still looks the same on the barnstar... maybe it takes sometime or something... I will check again tomorrow. Brambleclawx 19:26, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Shadeleaf's Ninth Life

	Shadeleaf's Ninth Life
	Shadeleaf has deemed fit to bestow a life upon Brambleclaw! Eyreya Sashi of the Elves (talk) 18:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Er... thank you! You might need to move ShadowClan Territory back to User:Eyreya Sashi: "ShadowClan Territory" is in the mainspace, which is for articles, not userpages. Brambleclawx 19:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Love you

	(In a friendly kinda way)
	So they put out all of these improvements while I'm away huh? Seems like the action always happens when I'm not there, and nothing happens when I'm actually around. Hope this puts a little nuance in your summer! :) Airplaneman ✈ 23:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

You had me worried for a while... I'm surprised you actually managed to stay away for so long. I finally got my hands on Lightning Thief! Brambleclawx 22:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome

And for the cookies! I'll be sure to come and ask you when I need help :) Hart Wud (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem Brambleclawx 16:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The Sign of Diolyx (The Tomorrow People)

You tagged an article I'm working on, The Sign of Diolyx (The Tomorrow People), as needing more references. This is an audio adventure and is largely self-referential. In comparing it to similar Doctor Who audios from the same company (i.e. Sirens of Time), I don't see where it differs other than the fact that it needs to be fleshed out more (which is what I'm working on). Please let me know what type of references you think it's lacking so I can improve it. The first two audios in the series were not tagged, but another editor tagged the one before it, The Ghosts of Mendez (The Tomorrow People), with similar notes to yours. Thank you.

Hiram (talk) 02:54, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

None of those articles appear to be of exceptional quality, even the Doctor Who one. What shoudl be noted is that the article currently consists almost entirely of a plot summary, which is something you want to avoid (see Wikipedia:PLOT). You will want to add reliable third-party reviews and other information to the article, and doing so would involve referencing those third party materials. Brambleclawx 01:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your Welcome

hey man! thanks for you're welcome; however, i'm not totally new here. i used to have an account a long time ago but i lost it. anyway, i'm currently working on the BCD article. look i have a question about adding pics. i find lots of pictures online that i use to post on forums and such. am i allowed to post them here even though i don't know their owners. if yes, what is the procedure that i have to use to ensure that they dont get removed. Thanks in Advance. A.K.Khalifeh (talk) 18:47, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

It might not be a good idea to use them if you do't know the owner, because they could be copyrighted. Generally, if you have permission to use a picture, the picture is your own, or it's in the public domain, then it can be uploaded to Wikipedia or it's sister project, Wikimedia Commons. Sometimes, copyrighted images can be uploaded, but you would need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's fair use criteria first. Brambleclawx 01:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! ---StevenBjerke 13:56, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Brambleclawx 15:35, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey!

Hey deputy Brambleclaw, how are things with you? I got you message and I've joined the project :) I pretty much know how to write tropical cyclone articles, but not book articles. (I'm trying to get reviews for Crookedstar's Promise now.) Any advice? Thanks! Hurricanefan25 ^{tropical cyclone} 19:47, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at Into the Wild (Warriors). Someone did a very nice job with it, and it's a great example of what a Warriors article should look like ideally. Also, avoid making the plot summary too long/detailed. Happy editing, Brambleclawx 22:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Normaprocter

hi, I am struggling with this wiki thing and my page has been deleted though the text was checked by Alberto Portugheis. I guess I just can't get my head around all the technical stuff being a 70 year old gran trying wiki editing for the first time and being inept. When a page has been deleted, can I have another go? I have re done the text and will have a go at validating the photos, which were provided by Alberto Portugheis himself and he he assures me that he can use them freely. I'm scared of it all now! So much for a world wide encyclopaedia to which we can add entries! I want to learn more but am unnerved by the messages I am getting and the deletion. Normaprocter (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

It's fine. A lot of newcomers have difficulty in the beginning, which is why we try to help. Anyway, it seems the reason your article was deleted was because it was copied directly from another website, which is against copyright laws (basically, it's somebody else's work, so Wikipedia is not allowed to pass it off as our own work). You seem to have fixed most of that now, so I'm not worried about that. In case I'm confusing you, yes, you're allowed to have another go. Somebody's moved it to your "userspace", so a normal search won't find the article, and you have a place to work on it until it's ready.

In terms of the pictures, we need Mr. Portugheis' permission. You said he allows it, so that's good, but we need some way to verify it, I think. I don't deal with pictures very often, so it might be better to ask someone with more experience (like user: Jeff G.); in terms of what I know, you're free to use any pictures you've taken yourself (in that case, upload them, and label them as "own work"); on the other hand, if you want to use Mr. Portugheis' pictures, either he should upload them (and tag them as "onw work", or if he's already put those pictures on the internet before, he should indicate that he allows their use elsewhere (either by putting it on the site he placed those pictures, or through email (see WP:DCM#Granting us permission to copy material already online).

Don't be too unnerved by the warnings... I'll try to help you as much as I can. If you meed more help, just ask. Brambleclawx 18:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. So good to have a humane human outthere to calm my nerves! I'll try to find the page right now. I didn't actually copy that sentence ( and it was only one sentence). Ironically, it was the sentence Alberto himself added. He tells me that everytime someone asks him how to describe himself, he always uses that first phrase. Hence, I suppose, journalists and publicity people have used it over and over. I just didn't question it as it was such a neat sentence! right. Thanks again. I am now going to brave the page again. Normaprocter (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2011 (UTC) REPLY TO LATEST ADVICE

I hope this is the correct place to answer you. First, many thanks for your helpful emails. Second, I followed the links to about you. Very interesting. Glad you love classical music so much. I will ask Alberto Portgheis to be in touch when he next comes to Canada. I see you are listed as 16 and gifted. you are clearly that. I have a grandson of the same age, gifted in mathematics. As for my piece on Alberto, I would be happy for you to do what you think is correct in terms of editing. Your help is so straightforward... but I still get nervous. Alberto is following the link the provided to sort out photo copyrights in giving me permission, but another helper advises photographs can be a mine field, so it might be better not to use the ones from his past. If I am replying in the wrong slot, tell me where to do it, please.Normaprocter (talk) 08:24, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I will go and take a look at the article. It's pretty good, but just needs a few tweaks here and there. I'm glad that you find my advice helpful. Brambleclawx 16:57, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Brambleclaw you are sooooooooooo helpful. Thanks again.Normaprocter (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Brambleclawx 16:04, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

SMPL Reference

Thank you for the kind welcome. I am on the verge of moving the article about the Santa Monica's library onto the real Wikipedia. I plan to add a link to the page from the general article about the city of Santa Monica. I welcome your feedback and guidance. As a token of appreciation, here is a picture of one of my cats. Cheers. Raymond —Preceding undated comment added 19:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC).

Thanks for the cat (I like cats, yes)! Anyway, I'm going to go take a quick look over your article right now and do a little tweaking. Brambleclawx 21:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Redistribution of wealth

Thanks for your concern. I will not break the rules. Please render an opinion on the dispute or find someone with appropriate knowledge who will. -Trift (talk) 21:53, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Hounding?

Trift has now started following my edits around onto several topics, and are undoing edits I have done on several articles, in a case that smells like WP:HOUNDING ([4], [5],[6]). I would appreciate advice on how to handle disruptive editors like him, I find it very difficult. --OpenFuture (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

In those cases, the reversions are for cause, with support from other editors. I do not wish to inhibit his editing, only to encourage him to pay more attention to the informed opinions of the rest of us. -Trift (talk) 22:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I am completely uninvolved and previously unaware of this dispute, so I'm going to offer a comment, as BCx may already be on wikibreak. OpenFuture, that is not significant evidence of hounding. Two of those reversions are on an article that you are both editing, which makes it edit-warring, not hounding. While it is possible that Trift has been watching your other edits, I see no evidence of true hounding. To the both of you, stop edit-warring. Until consensus is decided, the item should be left out of the article. OpenFuture, you may want to consider compromising on the notability, given an extended statement that says more than just, "There was a debate. It is on YouTube." It sounds to me that perhaps the debate was a notable event in relation to the book. However, Trift, I would suggest searching for any reliable sources that may help verify the notability of said debate, as that would clear up a lot of the conflict. Also, I suggest you carefully consider your use of the word "informed". It comes across as extremely arrogant (at least to me, and I'm not an affected party). I hope this comment has been some help to both of you, feel free to reply with any questions/comments. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 03:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

"To the both of you, stop edit-warring" - I am not edit warring. *I* try to engage in constructive debate, this is being completely ignored by Trift. My question is how to deal with disruptive editors that refuse to engage in constructive consensus building and simply ignore everything people say. Sometimes the pop a fuse, break 3RR and insult admins, and then they get blocked. Most of the time they just continue their low-level disruption forever. There seems to be no good Wikipedia policies to handle this.

"Until consensus is decided, the item should be left out of the article." - Unsurprisingly, I completely agree.

"given an extended statement" - That would of course be different. But I can't find anything of note to say about that debate and evidently neither can anybody else. --OpenFuture (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

You have all (somedifferentstuff included) been edit-warring over various parts of the article. Best I can tell, in the most recent edit-war, none of you have been talking, simply reverting and directing to the talk page. I see no consensus on the note, just an argument that died after something else came up. In response to disruptive editors, as you claim Trift is, you can only interact as calmly as possible and assume good faith. Do not attack other editors or their viewpoint. And for heaven's sake, don't argue about who has more experience or better understanding of policy. And compromise, compromise, compromise. That's what most consensus involves. Both sides compromising. In the issue of the author's note, some mention of their response to criticism may be useful. I don't think the whole quote needs to be reproduced; a simple statement that the authors have claimed that their book should only be reviewed in peer-review journals would suffice. One sentence is not undue weight. In the issue of the debate, a reason for the notability of the debate (influence, prominence, etc.) should be established using reliable sources, at which point it would then be reasonable to include in the article. Keep your cool, and talk these things out before edit-warring over them. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 13:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Compromise is good, when possible. In the debate case for example, I added it to External Links as a compromise, as I hoped that this was the reason Somedifferentstuff wanted the link there. But no, that made no difference, he continued edit warring. So I took in a third opinion in hope he would calm down. The third opinion agreed with me. That made no difference, he continued. Both Somedifferentstuff and Trift not only edit the same articles, and revert the same texts, they also both really are disruptive editors. The only thing I can do now is either to revert their vandalism, or let it stand. They are not open to debate or compromise. Somedifferentstuff even admitted that he sees this as a power struggle. [7] He doesn't care about content or policy, he just wants to "win". And I am at a complete loss at how to handle these kinds of editors. I've asked loads of editors, and I do exactly as all the recommendations, but it just doesn't help. They just keep on reverting... --OpenFuture (talk) 13:56, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for answering, Princess. I appreciate the help, and you've put it a lot better than I could've. Anyway, OpenFuture, like the warning I originally posted on your talk page says, do not edit war, even if you think you are right. Unless it is a blatant attack of some sort, just leave it there, and start a talk page discussion. That would be the best way to resolve things. By the way, you've got a 3rd opinion for redistribution of wealth now. If someone disagrees with the 3rd opinion, I guess you could look for a couple more neutral opinions. That way, a consensus can be established. (and then, once there is a consensus, only then might it be appropriate to label someone as disruptive: right now, without any real, visible consensus, it makes no sense labelling anyone as disruptive, because you're both being equally disruptive by edit warring. If things get really sticky, you may need to ask for Mediation. Brambleclawx 15:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer, but yet again you miss the point. You recommend me to start a talk page discussion. This, I obviously already did. I repeat: Trift and others DO NOT ENGAGE IN CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE. This is the kind of editor that I need help handling. Editors that actually engage in constructive debate is not a problem. I do everything exactly by the book, and according to policy and dispute resolution papers. But those processes do not work when one party simply ignores them and refuses to participate in a constructive manner. The question is what to do THEN. --OpenFuture (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Here I am going to be brutally honest, and please take this as kindly as possible. As an uninvolved party, it appears to me that none of you are really discussing this in the most constructive manner. Yes, Trift and others may not be correct, but you should consider that your actions might not be without fault. At the point you feel nothing is being accomplished, the next step would taking this to the Dispute resolution noticeboard. PrincessofLlyr ^{royal court} 14:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

That's because it takes two to tango. I start a discussion, and it gets ignored, then I can't really discuss it constructively either. That's my point, this part of the dispute resolution process requires everyone to buy into the process, and they don't. Thanks for pointing out the Dispute resolution noticeboard, I didn't know it had been created (it's only two months old). Hopefully that can help untie the Gordian knot of these types of disruptive editors. I'll definitely use it the next time this happens. --OpenFuture (talk) 15:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons Licensing

I have just uploaded a photo to the Wikimedia commons under the CC Share-Alike 3.0 license. I understand that I have to email permissions-commonswikimedia DOT org. Do you know if I can forward this email from the photographer, or if it has to be directly from him? I only ask because it would be easier to forward it (then I would get any replies, rather than the photographer, who would probably have to ask me what to do with them anyway...), but perhaps then there is no way of verifying the original email address of the photographer. Nullinfinity667 (talk) 08:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you've already gotten a reply at Commons. Nice to meet you, and those pictures really do add to the article nicely. Brambleclawx 15:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I did get an answer and I'll be dispatching the permission email as soon as possible. Nice to meet you too, and thanks :) Nullinfinity667 (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)