Talk:League of Legends

• There have been headers removed from this page over time. These are sources and lack of a neutral point of view. These were not discussed on the talkpage at any time, and after some time they were removed. If you have beef with the article, please bring it up here before slapping a derogative header on it.
• There was a lot of discussion on the genre, with a number of options being proposed. Riot proposed the term 'MOBA', and other players in the genre suggested DotA-based game (DBG). It came down to what genres are being listed by game review sites, such as GameSpot. They list it as an Action-RPG, so that is the current title. If there is any more genre debate please refer to the edit noted: "Cleaning out old discussions. Refer to this edit to see old material. Is this normal?", and if your question is still not answered, post here before edit warring the genre on the article.
• Referral links are not cool, period. Generally people haven't been too persistent with it, but if they do it repeatedly we can temp block them from editing the page (it's vandalism).
• We still need screenshots.
• I just changed the class to B from Stub, where it's been since the article was created. Please discuss here if you disagree.

Jozrael (talk) 23:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Self Publishing in Europe

The article needs to be updated to reflect the recent move by Riot to directly publish and host the European version of the game.
FAQ
Notice of server transfers
Frohike14 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page make some reference to HoN? They are both pretty much the same, basic gameplay wise. 124.187.103.43 (talk) 08:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

They are competitors, not really related. Just as StarCraft II isn't referencing other competitors, neither should LoL really. Both LoL and HoN (rightly) reference DotA, as that was their inspiration. They are entirely separate projects, so I see no need for either to reference the other as they have ostensibly no impact on each other aside from market share.71.250.13.112 (talk) 03:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Importance

This game should be mid or high importance IMO in terms of VG wiki importance. It's an extremely popular game now. An example is the xfire most played list. On June 06 at 2:30am PST, the list was:
World of Warcraft 56,206
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare Multiplayer 15,702
League of Legends 11,933
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 7,835
Call of Duty 2 Multiplayer 7,123
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Multiplayer 5,973
Counter-Strike: Source 4,579
Allods Online 4,223
Silkroad Online 4,105
Heroes of Newerth 3,856
(note that most of those are mid or high importance articles)

Another example is that it's gamespot rating, where it is the #4 most played PC game by their metrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.3.187 (talk) 09:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Lastly, it was one of the earliest western games that was a hardcore game AND free to play, AND did it in a way that wasn't really 'pay2pwn' (not to mention this gamble was successful) so it's very important from a business history perspective. I think the powers that be in the BG project should consider this for mid standing at least.

From their metrics, I certainly don't think it is high importance. "Series and games that have been shown to have a lasting impact on a genre, culture or the industry itself; typically need a few years to assess this impact. e.g. Pokémon, Final Fantasy (series), Bard's Tale". Take Pokemon for example: this game is nowhere near its cultural penetration.

As for medium, I figured it was too soon to tell. It only came out in October (although beta far before of course), and while it is PHENOMENALLY successful, and certainly groundbreaking in terms of pricing structure...I wasn't sure it was clear cut mid. So I left it at low, but I'd certainly like to see it rated mid. Anyone else have thoughts on this?71.250.13.112 (talk) 03:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks like someone moved it to mid. I think between the popularity and it's importance from a business perspective (well executed game that is free to play in the west), Mid is reasonable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.3.187 (talk) 15:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I think at this point a High Importance rating for League of Legends is completely justified. It has had a lot of cultural influence because it is F2P and extremely popular internationally. If you look at the other titles on the Mid Importance page, they really don't stack up to League of Legends' importance. For example, currently "Blaze the Cat" a character from Sonic games is considered mid importance. I think League of Legends is more important than a random Sonic character and at least as important as Call of Duty 4 (which is high importance). League of Legends is paving the way for its own genre and is played more than most other games. It is of high importance, it seems obvious to me... Heeerrresjonny (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Referral Spam

Looking at the edit history of this page, it seems like the majority of edits are people trying to get "referral" bonuses by having people click signup links that indicate being invited by a specific person. Perhaps this page should be given low-level protection? ~rezecib ^(talk) 22:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I definitely agree. I will make the request -- Rick Van Tassel ^{user|talk|contribs} 22:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm putting in another request -- Ruzihm ^{user|talk|contribs} 13:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Attributes section

The first July 3 edit removed the attributes section (full of helpful definitions for new players) and incorporated it into a more natural discussion in the Champion section. While I think he did it generally well, a lot of definitions were lost (such as disabler, etc.). I just wanted to discuss doing that here. We can reapply the changes if you feel that it's worth the loss of breadth.Jozrael (talk) 00:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

some parts reads like a gameguide

everything from section 2 (Gameplay) to section 3.1.2 (Runes) reads like a gameguide to me 80.167.200.244 (talk) 21:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

So it does. Be bold. :) -- Ruzihm ^{user|talk|contribs} 12:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

There still needs to be improvements in ridding the game cruft from this article. Some of the sources appear dodgy also. This article needs some work so that it could be read by those who have never played League of Legends before, allowing them to understand the topic more rather than content considered only relevant to the actual gamers. IAmSasori (talk) 22:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Clash of Fates

Should this even be listed here? It was only billed as this before beta, and switched long before release. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jozrael (talk • contribs) 00:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

If the new history section was added, this should be included thereinJozrael (talk) 06:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Attributes

I think this long list is quite unnecessary, and not very descriptive of the actual gameplay. I think it would be accurate to point out some of the more basic champion types like 'Tank', 'DPS', 'Nuke' and soforth. Or maybe just remove it alltogether. --Swend (talk) 14:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

History section

It occurs to me that a lot of the current article is unimportant (in the main section) to the casual reader. These include lists of dates of release of various mechanics of the game, as well as reviews of the game at launch which is vastly different from the current game. I propose eliminating all sections of the article that are not relevant to the current state of the game (and mentions to dates thereof), and putting them in a new history section near the bottom. Thoughts?Jozrael (talk) 06:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Use of IP/RP for ingame boosts.

Just a minor problem I had when reading the article, it mentions that runes in game can be bought with only IP in the "store" section, so as to not sell power. However, the previous line states that boosts to IP can be purchased with RP. Therefore it logically follows that RP can be used to buy power in game via runes, and the line referencing runes for IP should have the last couple words deleted. Selodin (talk) 12:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, no. You still need to play the game to get power. So it's not just a matter of paying to get power. You just get an increase in your average power-per-game rate (assuming you only buy runes with the IP). I'll make it clearer in the article, but we should keep the distinction that purchases do not directly translate into runes. -- Ruzihm ^{user|talk|contribs} 12:31, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

DBG Edit War

Can someone ban Atchucan from editing this page? Over the past 2 years, he keeps showing up and changing the genre to DBG, which no one else uses. All press uses MOBA or Action-RTS or Action-RPG (most predominant is Action-RTS). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.248.195.22 (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion concerning genre

There is a discussion taking place on Talk:Dota (genre)#Merger proposal that I hope can provide more decisive resolutions to:

• Whether we should have an article for the genre, as it now has a significant number of games in it
• What the article about the genre should be named, and by extension, what name for the genre should be used on the relevant games' pages

Currently it's mostly been a 2-sided discussion, and I know it's been discussed here in the past, so any input from the contributors given the new climate would be welcome. ~rezecib ^(talk) 04:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from TalixZero, 4 November 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} In the awards section, decapitalize the "G" in game.

TalixZero (talk) 20:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done Set Sail For The Seven Seas 333° 17' 15" NET 22:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Tutorial and Practice

In the Gameplay section, in Game modes and matchmaking, it says that Tutorial is a "private offline game session". Although it is private because nobody can join it, I think it's not offline (you're still connected to Riot servers and lag can render the tutorial unplayable if servers are slow). Also, after Tutorial, we talk about "Practice" mode. I haven't played much lately but I think they changed the name to something like "Custom game". Can anyone confirm both things so we can update it? Shorkan (talk) 10:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm that tutorial requires the Riot server connection from personal experience, but it could be a pain to dig up a source. Anyone give me a hand on this? Magma armor0 (talk) 02:17, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Punctuation issues

There're at least a couple of punctuation issues.

In the "Fields of Justice" section, the text "(Abilities such as: slowing the enemy and gaining more attack damage, increased damage and increased health regeneration, or an increased mana regeneration and spell cooldown reduction." is lacking the closing parenthesis. Although I think this whole sentence can be removed or simplified.

In the "Champions" section, the text "Some items can be combined into more powerful items by following predefined recipes" is lacking the full stop. Note also that the word "items" in that paragraph is overused. Shorkan (talk) 15:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing those out. I've fixed them. If you notice anything else, I'd be happy to correct it. I might comb through the article myself at some point. ~rezecib ^(talk) 18:38, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Microtransactions

"The game will be supported by microtransactions (the sale of in-game items such as weapons and armor) rather than ads or boxed copy sales.[35]"

ingame items (and also runes) can't be bought with microtransactions. You only can purchase cosmetic stuff (alternate skins and models for the characters you play) and bonuses which affect the meta game (you can earn more points/experience to level up your account which differs from the experience characters gain in-game) for "real life money". Also the reference doesn't work anymore. 93.211.72.245 (talk) 04:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I cleaned it up -- Signed by Wolvereness^{t c} 22:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

skins and characters can both be purchased. Magma armor0 (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Community-based modes

I don't know if it should be added at all, but lately a few community-based modes have appeared in custom games in League of Legends. I'm talking about ARAM (All Random All Mid) and the new and not yet so famous Earth Wind and Fire mode, which basically use a slightly different set of rules than the original game. I can't find the forum posts for the game modes, as the search function requires an US account (to search the US boards) and I'm on EU, but they exist. God HunD (talk) 12:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Nimerian, 1 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} The recent updates of the game brought very much negative feedback from the game's community. This feedback is being ignored by the developers in almost all cases. One example would be the latest Patch Preview video in you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2r_HE2wBro) that has 1800 likes and around 5600 dislikes and thousands of disapprovingly comments. I think this is something that should be mentioned on the development part of the article so people will be informed about this issue. Also searching thorough the forums of league of legends (specially under the general discussion sub section) you can find many posts related to these kind of issues. I also want to note that I am an active player of the game and active member of the community. Thank you in advance for your time.

Nimerian (talk) 02:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion that is a bit too specific and time-sensitive. However, I did some looking around, and [1] is a reliable source (according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources#General) that covers it, if someone else thinks it really should be added. ~rezecib ^(talk) 03:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Since this is being discussed, I'm untranscluding the request. Once consensus is reached, feel free to add or make a new request. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 219.90.203.43 (talk) 10:06, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

{{edit semi-protected}} inhibitors are NOT new in League of Legends, they have been in DOTA Allstars before they were ever in lol, HOWEVER it is unique that they respawn after a fixed amount of time. the following line needs to be changed:

A new element in League of Legends is the inhibitors. Each lane has an inhibitor on both ends. If a team destroys the enemy inhibitor, more powerful "super minions" will spawn for that side. Unlike turrets, inhibitors respawn after a fixed amount of time.

Edit request from 152.13.154.74, 5 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Hello. League of Legends player. Just wanted to ask for a change of the Fields of Justice surrender times. For Summoner's Rift, 25 minutes has already changed to 20, but Twisted Treeline should be changed to 15 minutes from 17. The identified error is under the "Fields of Justice" category. Hope this helped!

152.13.154.74 (talk) 23:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Do you have a source for the numbers you want replaced?—C45207 | Talk 00:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Co-op vs. AI mode

Hi, hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty to add "Co-op vs. AI" under modes. It might be good to add something about what the point of this mode is, which is explained here: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=572465 Vert3x (talk) 13:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Version Releases

I just noticed that the version number is out of date. Riot releases a new version every 2 weeks, so someone will have to update that number regularly. 24.10.220.205 (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

List of League of Legends Characters + Wiki cleanup

This is sort of a two-part discussion about the article. First, does anyone think there should be a separate "List of League of Legends Characters (or champions)" page, or would that be too bulky and unnecessary? I'm leaning toward the latter, but I figure it would be something to ask.

Also, I'm considering a full rewrite of this article, and I can provide more screenshots as well. I'll probably start working on this next monday or so. I believe parts of the current article are worth keeping, so I will probably save what can be saved, rearrange some things, and remove any unnecessary information. Please leave feedback if you agree or disagree, and why. - Bkid ^{My talk}/_Contribs 05:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

I think individual character pages would not be a good idea, as they would likely be stubs and may not have enough notability to hold their own pages. Better to leave it to the LOL wiki. As for the re-write, this page really could use a bit of a clean-up... Frohike14 (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I didn't mean a separate page for each champion, just a "List of League of Legends Champions" page with all of them on there. - Bkid ^Talk/_Contribs 05:55, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, a "list of League of Legends characters" would be a good idea.

Edit request from Praneet87, 3 July 2011

Want to add reference to some of the points in the article.

Praneet87 (talk) 09:45, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jnorton7558 (talk) 12:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

"Magma Chamber" in deve...

Any source on this? Otherwise i think it should be removed. Backeby (talk) 22:52, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Magma Chamber has been "shelved" because the Riot staff thought the new gamemode, Dominion, was "more interesting and fun." they are considering working on it again depending on the response to Dominion. Magma armor0 (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Inncorrect Genre.

The game is not a RTS it's a MOBA. If someone can edit it to correctly class the game's genre it would be nice.

MOBA = Multiplayer Online Battle Arena Source: Riot Forums Emissary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.70.110 (talk) 15:34, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

action RTS = MOBA. --86.148.199.27 (talk) 01:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• There is a genre known as Dota. It should be changed to that.Tommkin (talk) 06:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree with changing it from RTS to MOBA EDIT: I stand by changing it to MOBA: RTS is (in my opinion) a slightly outdated description. Dota is the title of the genre page, but I believe that should also be changed to MOBA, since Dota is too easily confused with the game from which the name derives, DoTA. but this isn't really the talk page for that ;) Anyone else have an opinion? Magma armor0 (talk) 02:27, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the correct genre is MOBA, not DotA. MindWraith (talk) 09:19, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

No URL in infobar?

There doesn't seem to be a link to the appropriate website in the infobar like there is for some other software. Is there a reason for this omission? Thanks. --Irrevenant [ talk ] 08:29, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Player community

There doesn't seem to be anything mentioning how everyone who plays this game is a huge fag and rages 110% of the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.218.172 (talk) 04:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Competitive play and downplaying

In my opinion, this page downplays the competitive market for League of Legends. "Moderate success"?! Its price pools dwarf most competitive games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.170.156 (talk) 12:48, 9 September 2011 (UTC)