Talk:New York City Police Department

Sallary and retention issues

Wikipedia is not the place for political speech, I don't see why this is the third section of the article.96.227.90.163 (talk) 03:53, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

A request and a comment

In the table that lists the ranks, title and insignia, it would be helpful to have an additional column (or columns) that show how many people serve in that rank (ie: how many B. Chiefs vs Lt. vs Captains, etc) and what percentage of the force has that rank.

As a comment, there seems to be an undue amount of discussion on pay scales, pay relative to other departments, and so on. I'm sure these are very important issues locally but in the scope of an encyclopedia article it looks more like a union grievance list. Also, the contract currently refefenced here expired in 2010 (or so it says). Davepl (talk) 18:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Remove and/or replace photo by the sake of the own NYPD

The police SUV depicted in a photo of this article reveals a blatantly disrespect to the pedestrian in the New York City streets: the SUV is parked just above the pass-strip!

I suggest the replacement of this picture by a new one, where no transit law disrespect by its enforcers would be depicted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.216.236.75 (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

R U serious? get a life.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 02:26, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Why only the bad stuff?

Since there is a section on the notable scandals and allegations of coruption, why is there no section that lists notable arrests, or drug busts. I think that would be a little more impartial. If anyone objects, there were a few recently...Coney Island Drug Bust, robbery pattern ended, 59 arrested in Queensbridge71.246.103.112 (talk) 07:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Having a Notable Arrests and/or Busts section on the page would be very good. MOOOOOPS (talk) 23:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Citation needed in lead section

Just a note to say that it would be an idea to get a reference for the citation needed in the lead section. I would do it myself but as I am British, Iam interested in the British Police and know very, very little about American procedures and the best way to cite the sentence in need. [[::User:Police,Mad,Jack|Police,Mad,Jack]] ([[::User talk:Police,Mad,Jack|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Police,Mad,Jack|contribs]])☺ 21:59, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's pretty much WP:OR and that finding a source is going to be almost impossible... ninety:one 22:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Split

This article is now 112 KB, which is far too large (see WP:AS). I propose splitting the 'Organization' section into a new article called 'Organization of the New York City Police Department'. Unless anyone has any major objections I'll do it in the next few days. There will need to be more splits after this as well. ninety:one 22:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I also propose creating new Wikipedia articles for NYPD units(such as Aviation) that have alot of info on this article. This would allow us to remove much of the info from this article, and would shorten the article. Some examples of this is the Emergency Service Unit section, which now has its own article at New York City Police Department Emergency Service Unit, the Auxiliary Police section, which has its own article at New York City Police Department Auxiliary Police, and the School Safety Division section, which now has its own article at New York City Police Department School Safety Division. All those articles have alot of info on the respected unit, while this article just has brief info on them and a Main Article link referring users to each article. MOOOOOPS (talk) 23:08, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. I assumed that there was some other reason why this hadn't yet happened. I'll join you! ninety:one 23:12, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

After splitting to Organization of the New York City Police Department this article is still 81kb. Will split history as well. ninety:one 20:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Having split to History of the New York City Police Department, Organization of the New York City Police Department and Medals of the New York City Police Department, it's down to 60kb. The obvious (and the last) section to split is the misconduct one. However, the title is likely to be contentious. Anyone got any opinions? ninety:one 21:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Article post-split

While I agree that splitting sub-articles off was a good idea, the execution was flawed, as a short summary of the now sub-article should be left in the main article, not just a link, which should be included as well. I put one under the organization header, by taking some text from the introduction of the organization article. Those who helped with the split may be the best to put in any additional summaries, so consider this a request for help. oknazevad (talk) 18:18, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Long Island

A disproportional amount of cops live on Long Island in comparison to cops who live in the actually precinct/neighborhood they police.

Do you have a source saying this? If so, I don't object to the info being put in the article. MOOOOOPS (talk) 00:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Many cops dont live in the command area or town where they work. Many of them are Irish Americans as well. I agree it should be included and there are thousands of articles someone will find one and place it in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.83.120.99 (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I recently read 'The Savage City' and it has fairly detailed information of the outmigration of police from the areas they serve out into the hinterland, and the effects this has on local policing (ie: the officers themselves no longer being local). I'll defer to someone more knowledgable rather than adding it, but it may serve as a source for you.Davepl (talk) 18:16, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Psychological aspect

Control freaks? Power hungry? Megalomaniacs? Cops have a large array of psychological issues. Where it was because they becamse a cop or why they became a cop they have these issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.83.120.99 (talk) 18:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Line of duty deaths

What about suicide?

How is a police officers duty to kill themselves? Bertcocaine (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Harry Gross Scandal

should have its own page... however building that page based on a section here might help eliminate stubbage. here's some relevant links to info on the scandal.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/1997/01/29/1997-01-29_bookies_can_t_worm_out_of_re.html http://www.nytimes.com/1986/04/04/obituaries/harry-gross-is-suicide-bookmaker-in-51-case.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.13.47 (talk) 07:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity

I just reverted a generalization that someone had placed on the article about the Ethnicity of the NYPD. While officers are traditionally Irish, Italian, and other white ethnicities, There are also Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and Latinos too. So to say that the NYPD is only a white police force is a factual error. Please see WP:AD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cutno (talk • contribs) 01:04, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Demographics

The percentages for the city population sum to well over 100; the police percentages do not. Also, the source is secondary. This needs to be sorted out. MayerG (talk) 01:45, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

LOD Deaths

"Since December 25, 1806, the NYPD has lost 768 officers in the line of duty"

NYPD was only formed in 1845 and last I heared, can't turn back the clock Gsp8181 11:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Ethnicity data is obviously incorrect

The article's date for New York's ethnic breakdown cannot be correct, the numbers add up to 107%, which is impossible. The data for the NYPD itself appears correct, although one must wonder since it is from the same source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.200.250 (talk) 05:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Commissioner Ranks

The rank of Assistant Commissioner [1 Star] is not listed but there is at least one that I know of. Her name is Carol Ann Roeberson and this can be verified on the NYPD Website —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.42.106.154 (talk) 04:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

NYPD Flag

I presume that the 5 stripes on the flag represent the five boroughs of New York City, but what do the 24 stars represent? Axeman (talk) 23:49, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

The 24 municipalities (and the police forces that existed in most of them) that were absorbed into the modern city when consolidation occurred at the end of the 19th century, forming the modern Five Borough metropolis. It's a tribute to all of the NYPD's predecessor agencies. The summary on the flag image's page gives the details. oknazevad (talk) 06:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Pay comparisons

Is this article solely to complain about how underpaid the officers are? Many metro agencies are paid less than the suburbs for a variety of reasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.8.148.98 (talk) 02:27, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree (I added a comment above). To someone on the other side of the country it looks weird. Like I said, I'm sure its an important issue locally, but it belongs on the editorial page somewhere, not in the encyclopedia. I think the article would be well-served by changing this to a brief factual (and sourced) statement about pay relative to other departments and the fact that other departments actively recruit from NY (if sourceable). Beyond that the long diatribe on how poorly paid they are doesn't belong here, and looks like a union rep partied on the article. Davepl (talk) 18:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Memorial

I can't find a mention of the NYC Police memorial, as shown in this photo http://www.panoramio.com/photo/45929565. Where is it, who commissioned it, when was it erected etc. John a s (talk) 23:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

broken link?

Link to History.com website (ref # 3) doesn't really support the statement in the article it just points to results of a search, which are completely irrelevant. Also, the Reference #s start with 2 for some reason. Zima3000 (talk) 02:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

You're right about the link. It may be that the intended info is buried somewhere in the long list of facts at the link. If so, it's a lousy choice for a source.

As for the refs starting with 2, ref #1 is in the infobox on the right. As infobox coding comes before the body text of the article in the edit window, any refs in the infobox get the first numbers. As refs are rarely read in order, as readers will click on the ref link, it doesn't really matter. (But it's another reason why no one should assume that a prior reference will be noticed when reading an article). oknazevad (talk) 23:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

NYPD vs USAF

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0926/NYPD-can-shoot-down-an-airliner-Experts-troubled

Add this? And for Goddess sakes, don't buzz the mayor! Hcobb (talk) 23:23, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

R.N.C. Intelligence Squad

"...teams of undercover New York City police officers traveled to cities across the country, Canada and Europe to conduct covert observations of people who planned to protest...From Albuquerque to Montreal, San Francisco to Miami, undercover New York police officers attended meetings of political groups, posing as sympathizers or fellow activists, the records show...In hundreds of reports stamped “N.Y.P.D. Secret,” the Intelligence Division chronicled the views and plans of people who had no apparent intention of breaking the law, the records show. "City Police Spied Broadly Before G.O.P. Convention nytimes.com March 25, 2007.--Nemissimo (talk) 11:23, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Two NYPD officers called "Tubby" by Men's Fittness

Men's Fitness is making fat jokes about people including NYPD. http://www.mensfitness.com/sites/mensfitness.com/files/imgs/101411_mf_nycc14.jpg Here they called two NYPD officers "Tubby" : http://www.mensfitness.com/lifestyle/entertainment/ny-comic-con-flabby-versions-of-your-favorite-superheroes?page=2 --8.25.226.66 (talk) 06:13, 21 October 2011 (UTC)