Talk:Gimbap

Assembly Directions?

I wish for someone to add to the article directions on how to make and assemble gimbap together. --터울 02:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrong Translation

Cited on the bottom, the sources 6, 7, and 8 are incomplete sentences. "일본음식에서 유래된 것으로" means "in the origin of Japanese is". Citation 6 is not "한국민족문화대백과[Encyclopedia of Korean National Culture]" but rather a section from Nate Encyclopedic Database. The full sentence is "김밥은 밥에 여러 가지 속을 넣고 김으로 말아 싼 음식으로 일본음식에서 유래된 것으로 보이며 우리나라에서는 근대 이후에 많이 먹기 시작한 것으로 추측된다.", which roughly translates to "Kimbap, a food consisting of rolled with rice and a variety of ingredients, generally viewed as Japanese in origin, is hypothesized to have gained popularity in our country (Korea) afterwards."

It does NOT say that Gimbap (or Kimbap) is derived from Makizushi or vice versa. "보이며" means to be seen or viewed, so it would mean that it is believed to be this way. Also, whatever happened to the Ssambap section? Ssambap is no longer an article. Please either put the information in the section of Gimbap or create a new "Ssambap" article. You cannot delete something in its entirety because you disagree with it; it exists therefore its documentation stays.

Please revise this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.217.206.254 (talk) 05:58, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Name of the food

Last month I ate "kimbab" in a korean restaurant in London and seeing there was no article about it in Finnish Wikipedia, I started one. There was an article in Swedish Wikipedia for kimbab, but it took some time to find the English version. I don't know korean or how it's translitterated, but the name of the food seems to be spelled gimbap, kimbap and kimbab. Which is the right form? Are the alternate versions common enough to be mentioned in the article or to be redirected here? --Sumiko 08:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And what's the relation between "kimbab" and "bimbab"? The same ingredients, but not rolled? --Sumiko 08:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you're thinking of bibimbap? Aside from the fact that they are both Korean dishes based on rice (hence bap), I don't think there's any connection. -- Visviva 14:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification and link to the article. I can translate it for the Finnish version of Wikipedia. --Sumiko 22:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... The original Korean is 김밥; kimbap is the McCune-Reischauer romanization, and gimbap is the Revised romanization. We normally follow the Revised system on Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean), which is why you'll find this article here. Kimbab and gimbab are incorrect, but common, romanizations, so they should probably redirect here. -- Visviva 14:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

And now they do. :-) Thanks! -- Visviva 14:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again for explaining the roanization. :) Have to exchange the name of the article in fiWikipedia. --Sumiko 22:51, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Maki-zushi

There is no historical evidence that Kimbap came from Maki-zushi. Even Maki-zushi formed current style (one-bite small size) AFTER World War II. During Chosun Dynasity, Koreans usually eat rice with kim(nori in Japanese) and banchan. This evolved into current Kimbap and even there are some theories that Japanese Makizushi was inspired by this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crmtm (talk • contribs) 18:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC).

Maki-zushi was completed in Edo period.　nori in Korea had only the paste. And, Japan introduced board Nori to Korea at the Meiji era. --Azukimonaka 21:31, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

In 1995, the Ministry of Culture and Sports (文化體育部/문화체육부) of South Korea published a book named "Japanese life wording purification collection" (日本語式生活用語純化集/일본어투 생활 용어 순화집), and proposed that the foreign word 노리마키 (NoRiMaKi) was changed to 김밥 (GimBap). And norimaki (in Japanese language) resembles maki-zushi.

Therefore, I think that there are some relations to these words.

See also:

• Template:Ja icon "The language purification movement in Korea (国語純化運動)", CLAIR (Council of Local Authorities for International Relations) (財団法人自治体国際化協会), Tokyo, May 2005.
• Template:Ko icon "일본어투 용어 순화 자료집".

--Nightshadow28 17:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Korean article is non-existent, Japanese article requires a login. Both hold no academic value whatsoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.217.206.254 (talk) 06:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Origins of food

Azukimonaka and nightshadow28, much of Japanese cuisine flowed from China and Korea. There is no apparent authority, treatise or otherwise suggesting that the renaming of "kimbap" is a result of Japanese influence. To suggest that "kimbap" and even the so-called "introduction of nori" is not entirely truthful, as dried seaweed has not been proven to be a purely Japanese invention. Can we delete the last paragraph of this stub? It is not accurate and offensive. Those links you proffer do not demonstrate your point in any case.

I will submit more documentation evidencing that "nori" was NOT introduced to Korea, nor was kimbap "introduced" or a product of re-invention from Japan. In fact, it is the other way around. Unless you submit more authority proving either of your points, I will delete the paragraph or ask the Administrator to do so. Azntokki 02:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Azntokki

The origin of Gimbap

(Some of my comments below were copied from this discussion at AN/I.--Endroit (talk))

This edit by 144.82.106.67, and this edit by Manacpowers (talk · contribs), attempted to replace "is derived from" with "a parent to". This appears to be misinformation, and I will correct this.

Due to the possible violation on WP:CITE, and WP:V, I deleted Jjok (talk · contribs)'s citation from 국립국어연구원. If he can answer my question: how he found the quote in the page of the book, he can put it back to the article anytime. My request for Jjok to clarify the source is so simple that WP:DR seems to not even needed.--Appletrees (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Due to violation on WP:CIV, I deleted Acuwer's (talk) accusations and statements. In fact, the whole conversation is not productive and it seems that Acuwer just want to provoke. It becomes clear when he start using inappropriate arguments and linking non topic youtube videos just to fuel some dispute. Fniss (talk) 12:28, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Regards removal of Cyi5697 (talk) added content. Oda Mari reverts my removal and asking me to refute added content when Cyi5697 is the one should provide sources and references. It seems that Oda Mari is bias? Since its heavily debated topic, it should reach consensus before adding on the article. Its already stated "There are two views about the origin of Gimbap... " There is no need for yet another section that someone randomly adding personal POV without providing source or reference. "The origin of kimbap is sushi" is not "...two views about the origin of Gimbap" witch is already accepted and stated in earlier section. Therefore Cyi5697 added section is not NPOV and should be removed. - Fniss (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Invalid sources

Since I noticed the quality of reference is quite bad and level of academic value is about zero. I think we should look over the sources. As far as I can see. there is no valid source proving that Gimbap is being derived from Norimaki.

• The article by Kuroda Hukumi (Fukumi Kuroda, actress) is POV. Holds no academic value
• Yahoo! Korea dictionary is obsolete and not valid.
• ref 7 och 8 is obsolete and not valid.
• nisshin-foods.co.jp and nishinippon.co.jp does not qualify as a reliable source let alone a scientific one.

Im not trying to push any buttons. Im updating the swedish wiki and I want to make sure the articles have some sort of credibility and value.. without second hand references. I tried to search for any proof for that statement myself but couldn't find any. Again, there is no source that proof that Gimbap is derived from Norimaki. Im removing the statement until someone can provide valid sources that hold some sort of academic value. – Oppa ^talk –  22:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, this article definitely needs better sources. Most of them are just one line, throw-away references which seem to be repeating popular myths rather than being the result of any research. They should probably be deleted until something better can be found. Also, I don't see why the translations of the references at keep saying "norimaki" since none of the source articles use that word. They all say either "Japanese sushi" or just "Japanese cuisine." JohnDavidWard (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)