Talk:2011

Occupy the world

Shouldn't there be a heading for it on October 15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.255.226 (talk) 05:36, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Why? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Becouse occupy movement seems to be a important phenomenon in current social life? Either October 15, July 30 (Occupy Dataran, first but obscure occupation) or September 17 (OWS) should be marked. Not all of those dates, but at least one. It seems highly unlikely that beginning of Occupy Movement will not be seen as one of most important events during Fall of 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.207.117.121 (talk) 17:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Cite? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

"Important phenomenon"? Not really. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You don't think such police presence don't suggest something important is happening? http://occupylosangeles.org/?q=node/2442 Add persistence despite numerous abuses. Protests in multitude of places for several weeks are not worth mentioning? 23:22, 30 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.207.117.121 (talk)

Alfred Hilbe

Is he worthy for a mention in this page even though he was a head of state?, his English entry consists of only one line!

Silvio Berlusconi resignation

I have seen this edit reverted by DerbyCountyinNZ (talk · contribs):

November 13 – The former EU commissioner Mario Monti is asked to form Italy's next government following the resignation of Silvio Berlusconi amid the country's escalating debt crisis.

It was reverted with this edit summary:

Undid revision 460507057 by Wjfox2005 (talk)Rvt. Local politics.

I understand that WHO forms Italy's next government is local politics, but the EVENT of Berlusconi's resignation BECAUSE of the European sovereign debt crisis is NOT local politics.
WHY?

1. The European sovereign debt crisis is, as Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany, said, the biggest crisis in Europe since The Second World War.[1]
2. He resigned amid that crisis, after budget reforms were passed.[2]
3. Italy is the EU country with the most debt.[3]
4. Even AMERICANS are bothered.[4]

I would like to see this added onto 2011. – Plarem ^{(User talk contribs)} 16:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

crystal ball until Italy economy defaults on obligations which i am quite confident will happen but by then everyone will have forgotten as usual to have noted the day berlisconi resigned - typical for the endless totalitarian behavior associated with keeping this article nearly devoid of any but the most prominant events to the point of neutering the article to death - and i will say again that there have been 5 major medical discoveries this year and not a single one is mentioned in this article--70.162.171.210 (talk) 00:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Is there anything unusual about the prime minster of Italy resigning? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

That's not really the question. The question is whether there is international significance to this particular resignation. Tough call. Obviously the European debt crisis is an international event with far reaching consequences. So was/is the Arab Spring, but this article is not for the daily blow-by-blow of either event. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

UK News

There is a lack of a British News that has happened throughout the year, the most prominent being the England Riots and there are also key events such as the death of two Red Arrows Pilots this year, the last time a Red Arrow died was 1988. Please add any other suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumncars1996 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

all of the items you are want to add have already been veted and by consensus, declined thru insufficent notability--70.162.171.210 (talk) 05:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I think 2011 in the United Kingdom is the page you are looking for. — Yerpo ^Eh? 16:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes it is, thank you. - Drumncars1996 —Preceding undated comment added 22:22, 25 November 2011 (UTC).

Jani Lane's Death?

Jani Lane was the frontman of 80's hair band Warrant and died Aug. 11 2011. He was born in 1964. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.67.183 (talk) 13:51, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

It's taken 3 months for him to reach the WP:RY minimum. At the time of his death he had only 2 foreign language article, both clones of the English one, one had no references at all and the other had only his webpage and myspace page as references. Hardly an indication that he was sufficiently notable for inclusion here. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

November events

Usually by now there would be some notable events for november, since the month is just about complete. Just wondering when the information will be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryn Morgan (talk • contribs) 00:16, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not a case of "filling in" a section just for the sake of it. Something notable has to happen. So far it appears that nothing that can be considered to be of international and historical notability (as required for inclusion in this article) has happened. C'est la vie. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Derby you are being way to overzealous. The original goal of the policy for exclusion was to stop articles from becoming obscenely large, there might not have been any political such events that happened in November, but there are some science ones that might be appropriate for this article. --134.153.102.154 (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Do specify them, if there are. The most notable, I think, was the Mars Science Laboratory launch, but it isn't exactly a cornerstone in Mars exploration. Still, could be added, I suppose. — Yerpo ^Eh? 08:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I was actually thinking the Metallic microlattice, lightest material ever known invention was the biggest science story of November. Including big Chemistry finds are often underrepresented in recent years articles. --Kuzwa (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Now let's see if there can be some notable events for december. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.146.140 (talk) 07:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Death of Dev Anand on Dec 4th, 2011

The young man of Indian Bollywood died in London on 4th December. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dev_Anand — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puneet1011 (talk • contribs) 02:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

His non-English articles do not indicate that he is sufficiently internationally notable for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Death of Jagjit Singh on Oct 10th, 2011

The "Ghazal King" of Indian music died on October 10th, 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagjit_Singh — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puneet1011 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

His non-English articles do not indicate that he is sufficently internationally notable for inclusion. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Eradication of Rinderpest

Surely this should be added under August 8? It's only the second disease ever eradicated....GuzzyG (talk) 15:35, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind.. I've just seen how much overzealous some people are on this list, so don't bother, no wonder this page is so skinny.GuzzyG (talk) 06:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

overzealous here i am the first to argue and have many times but even this has already been vetted here and is again --- EXCLUDE--68.231.15.56 (talk) 08:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

if something is this far back dont you think that it would be good to look back in the archives and find the old discusssion first--68.231.15.56 (talk) 08:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for offending anyone, i'm new here and didn't read the archives. Sorry, i now understandGuzzyG (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ryan Dunn Is Not on the list of 2011 Deaths?!

Or is he not notable enough? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.3.80.98 (talk) 04:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

discussed endlessly already --- EXCLUDE--68.231.15.56 (talk) 04:58, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Very well known actor/person. If this isn't notable i don't know what is.GuzzyG (talk) 06:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

"Very well known"? In the US maybe, not the rest of the world. Which is why he belongs in 2011 in the United States, not here. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 06:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Jackass is VERY well known, i'm in Australia and everyone here knew him, not just the US. Their movies were popular worldwide, plus he has 16 language articles of him, not in English. He's even more known then some of the people here already. But what can ya do, if you don't know him no-one does, right?GuzzyG (talk) 06:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm in Australia. Never heard of him. Never seen Jackass. The previews put me off. Slapstick died 70 years ago. (Or should have.) HiLo48 (talk) 06:40, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

All because you don't know him doesn't mean the majority doesn't, that's the point. I don't know anyone who knows of a Hungarian footballer or a Indian painter, does that mean they shouldn't be on the list? No. (they already are though) This guy is noticeable, i don't really care though as i've found out these year articles plus a few others are just the opinions of overzealous editors.GuzzyG (talk) 06:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Rather than attacking, and posting silly things like "i'm in Australia and everyone here knew him" (which just screamed out to be refuted), you could perhaps go hunting for some evidence. My interest was really just in countering your absolutism. HiLo48 (talk) 07:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

As for evidence, at the time of his death, he was so "well known" that hardly anyone outside of English Wikipedia bothered to write anything about him. This is the criterion we use for evaluating. All because some anonymous under the nickanme GuzzyG knows him doesn't mean that majority does. The show was somewhat noticeable as a whole, Dunn, as an individual, wasn't. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy to accept the decision of not adding him, however you best hop to it and remove the 2006 entry for Steve Irwin's death then... I'm pretty sure "hardly anyone outside of English Wikipedia bothered to write anything about him." yet he was added to the Deaths on the 2006 page. Perhaps some consistency in your criterion is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.185.2 (talk) 10:00, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for offending anyone, i'm new here and didn't read the archives. Sorry, i now understand.GuzzyG (talk) 08:16, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

second photo after taylor

what should be the second photo after taylor for month of march deaths? - i say Geraldine Ferraro, she has 213 cited references --68.231.15.56 (talk) 06:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer Alberto Granado for the sake of balance - with G. Ferraro, it's 4 Americans in a row. The difference in the number of cited references reflects the western bias rather than importance, I think. — Yerpo ^Eh? 07:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd prefer a non-American, as mentioned by Yerpo, 4 Americans is too biased. Nikolai Andrianov won 15 Olympic medals (3rd all-time), of which 12 were in individual events (2nd all-time and leading male) which makes him my preference, but I'd go with Granado if that would help achieve consensus. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I suggested Granado because he has the best and most conveniently-sized portrait available. Andrianov's would stretch down somewhere to July (or would look very poor if cropped) and for most of the others, we don't have free portraits. — Yerpo ^Eh? 14:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

If we were going only by how nice their picture looks I would definitely say Ferraro, But if it is one or the other of the other suggestions, yeah, the photo of Adrianov is terrible, I can't imagine how we could incorporate that. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

UK Riots

The UK Riots started on the 4th August 2011, involved London, Manchester, Birmingham, etc. Was wondering why it was not on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NiallPVFC (talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Because 2011 is for internationally notable events. The UK riots belong in 2011 in the United Kingdom. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 19:33, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Something doesn't addup...

Bin Laden is said to be dead on May 2nd and the cite says Obama announced him dead a day early. Fix please? 71.180.171.44 (talk) 17:01, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

2 May is correct as per his article. The cite has 1 May as that was the local time for the country of origin. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:11, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Jobs Death

Should Steve's death be listed under Events? It was a pretty giant event this year... SwimFellow (talk) 17:23, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

No, consensus here is that his entry in the Deaths section is sufficient. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Small Note on Occupy

Isn't Occupy an internationally significant event? 1000s of protesters worldwide. I understand it's been discussed before, but I'd like to bring it up again. SwimFellow (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Still not really important. If they ever achieve anything it might be worth mentioning, at the moment it's just another protest, the only reason it's widespread is it gives serial protesters something else to protest about. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. They achieved quite a bit, including widespread public recognition of their message. Achievement isn't measured merely by government change. Wrad (talk) 18:28, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Whether individual users here believe there is merit to what they have done is obviously not the point. It is an international movement and I agree that it should be mentioned briefly in the article, not sure where and what to say exactly though. It is worth noting that there are currently articles on Occupy Wall Street on nearly 40 other Wikipedias. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:23, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Why is CE before AD?

Why is the term "Common Era" placed before the term "Anno Domini?" "AD" is tremendously more common in use than CE and "AD" comes before "CE" alphabetically. There doesn't seem to be any prohibition to changing this in Wikipedia:Recent years. And it appears that the whole first section is locked without explanation. Is this just another instance of Christian bashing by the predominantly pagan Wikipedia editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romans9:11 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

When making an accusation of bias, it is usually a good idea not to make your own prejudicial remarks at the same time. I happen to agree that A.D. is quite obviously more common than C.E. in the English speaking world, but muddying the waters with accusations is unlikely to help bring this discussion to a satisfactory resolution. It is not just the first section but the enrtire article that is semi protected. This is only because we were getting uniformed/vandalistic additions to this article several times a day for several months, it is not related to this issue. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Why does it even matter? It's just like asking: "When I type 'C' in the searchbox in Wikipedia, why does Canada come first and China is further down the list? Is Wikipedia being racist?" These frivilous points should not even be brought up. Whenaxis (talk) 02:23, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

images again

So, now that Kim Jong Il has passed, a photo of him has been added to the deaths section. I think that is as it should be, but on my browser the formatting is pushing that image down into the "Nobel Prize winners" section. Of course anyone who read the caption (or had the slightest idea who he was) would realize it was a spillover, but still... Maybe we should just have one image like most other months, and at this point I would have to say Kim certainly had the most international notability out of all the notable persons who have died this month. As such I have gone ahead and removed the other image. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:32, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. One image is sufficient. A second should only be included if it does not break the display. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 17:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Miss USA

Is Alyssa Campanella's winning of Miss USA crown significant enough to turn up on this page? If Miss USA could be mentioned here, shouldn't we mention the winners of similar titles from other countries as well? Netha Hussain (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

As per WP:RY, annual awards do not merit inclusion. This article is in any case for international events which therefore excludes national beauty contests. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Not saying that Miss USA is important enough to garner reputation on this page. But if what User:DerbyCountyinNZ says is true about WP:RY, why is that the annual Noble Prize(s) appear on this page? Whenaxis (talk) 02:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Because the Nobel Prizes are one of the things explicitly stated in WP:RY to include on year pages. Canuck_{My page}^{89 (talk)}, 10:57, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Before someone uses some of the phrases above to include Miss World and Miss Universe competition results, awards which are either annual or not international are (usually) not included. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:40, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Aw, c'mon, everyone knows the Nobel Prizes go to whoever looks best in the swimsuit competition. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:56, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the mental image. Ugh. — Yerpo ^Eh? 19:39, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't see the Noble Prize section. Apologies. Whenaxis (talk)

Henry Cooper again.

I'm not sure, but I though it was bad form to add to archived stuff. I've readded him as even though he was never world Champion he was Commonwealth and European Champion as well as the only Boxer to recieve a British or Papal Knight Hood (On which page he is listed as a notable member of the order), the Only British Boxer to win three Lonsdale Belts, The first man to win BBC sports personality of the year twice and the only one of the three people who's done this who isn't an F1 driver but most of all I think he should be here as he knocked down Cassius Clay who Cheated against him. (Morcus (talk) 03:26, 23 December 2011 (UTC))