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Hello, were you able to contact Boris Bulog? LittleJerry (talk) 19:13, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Not today, I'll go to him tomorrow in person to explain (he isn't very active online, so it takes a little longer). — Yerpo Eh? 20:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi Yerpo! I saw your username at the WP:LOCEMB as a representative from the Slovene Wikipedia. I had created an article on Chittagong in Slovene language with a translation tool but it got deleted because of poor translation here. Can you please create it again? Thanks. --Zayeem (talk) 11:05, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Unfortunately, automatic translation tools are still far from being good enough for copy-pasting to an encyclopedia, and I'm not sure what do you mean with "create it again". Just restoring the deleted content would make no sense. If this is a request for creating the article anew, you might want to leave it at sl:Wikipedija:Želeni članki. It's a big and important city, so somebody will probably write an article about it, eventually. I mostly focus on articles about national capitals these days, because they are more important and a lot of them are still missing in :slwiki. — Yerpo Eh? 12:08, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I was actually asking for a new article. I've posted there under the heading Manjkajoči priljubljeni članki. I hope it's properly listed. Thanks for your help. :) --Zayeem (talk) 17:07, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Article[edit]

The article Article you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Article for things which need to be addressed. Zad68 17:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Slovenia - municipality naming[edit]

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Valvasor's description of Lake Cerknica[edit]

Hi, could you please have a look at Lake Cerknica#Research history? I'm not sure what does 'Cartesian mechanics' refer to, because there is no article about this topic, and it would be great if you could replace the primary source with a non-primary one. Thank you. --Eleassar my talk 12:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I'd love to, but it is not easy to access Slovene sources from where I'm now. Maybe you can find the monograph Jezero, ki izginja (COBISS 126271232) or some other in a library to check the story. I'm not familiar with the phrase 'Cartesian mechanics' either, but it might be a reference to Descartes' Cartesian philosophy. — Yerpo Eh? 16:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Slovenian help needed[edit]

Hello Yerpo, I'm contacting you because we need some Slovenian translators to help with the deployment of the new VisualEditor on sl.wikipedia. There are help pages, user guides, and description pages that need translating, as well as the interface itself. The translating work is going on over on MediaWiki: Translation Central. I also need help with a personal message for the Slovenian Wikipedians. If you are able to help in any way, either reply here, or head over to TranslationCentral. Thanks for your time, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:15, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, unfortunately, I'm quite busy these days so my time and energy for wiki activities are limited, but I'll see what I can do. I already started translating the interface at Translatewiki (which was later finished by Dbc334). So direct me to the personal message you need help with and I'll take it from there. Cheers, — Yerpo Eh? 05:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Yerpo, good to hear from you. Thanks for getting some of the interface translating done - that's really important. Here's the message I'd like to post to
"Hello Slovenian Wikipedia editors from the Wikimedia Foundation. As some of you already know, the new VisualEditor (VE) is coming soon to all Wikipedias. The current date for Slovenian Wikipedia to have this feature enabled is mid-August. The new editor will be offered alongside the old editing interface.
If you would like to try out the new editor before then, go to "Preferences", "Edit Page" and "Enable VisualEditor" at the bottom. Save your changes, and VE should be available. We are looking for problems and ideas for improvement. Please leave your feedback at my talk page [LINK] or at MediaWiki here. We also need volunteers for translating VE documents, to help with this, go to here. Thank you, (polite Slovenian goodbye?)"
Ignore the links. Really appreciate this, especially as you're busy. Are you active on too? PEarley (WMF) (talk) 15:16, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm mostly active on slwiki. Here's the translation:
"Pozdrav slovenskim wikipedistom iz Fundacije Wikimedia. Kot nekateri že veste, prihaja kmalu na vse Wikipedije novi grafični urejevalnik VisualEditor (VE). Trenutno je vpeljava te funkcije na slovenski Wikipediji v načrtu za sredino avgusta. Novi urejevalnik bo ponujen vzporedno s starim vmesnikom.
Če želite preskusiti novi urejevalnik že prej, pojdite pod svoje uporabniške nastavitve, zavihek "Urejanje" in obkljukajte "Omogoči VisualEditor" na dnu. Shranite spremembo in VE bi moral biti na voljo. Iščemo morebitne težave in ideje za izboljšave. Prosim, pustite komentarje na moji pogovorni strani [LINK] ali na MediaWiki tukaj. Potrebujemo tudi prostovoljce za prevajanje dokumentacije VE, če želite pomagati, pojdite sem. Hvala."
Yerpo Eh? 19:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for this Yerpo. Posted it, and got a reply already.[1] An editor is asking about kopipejst preglednic. These are table templates, no? PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Tables in general ("kopipejst" is a phoneticism of copy-paste), but the user also asked about infoboxes. — Yerpo Eh? 06:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
I should have made the connection: kopipejst -> copypaste. Could you translate this message for me: "Currently, copy/paste functions with VE aren't very good. We are improving them as fast as we can. This means working with tables isn't good, and, as Yerpo says, is better done in "edit source". Infoboxes are supported by using the "puzzle piece" icon. However, TemplateData must be added to the template's documentation for the parameters to be listed by VE. See MediaWiki TemplateData for more info." Regards, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 17:05, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Actually, most of the editors understand English, so you can just post the message in English and we will translate it if necessary. — Yerpo Eh? 17:47, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Good to know. (some communities aren't happy about English messages being posted). PEarley (WMF) (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Article Feedback Tool update[edit]

Hey Yerpo. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 21:44, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Marija Brenčič Jelen[edit]

Hi, your opinion about this article would be appreciated. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marija Brenčič Jelen. Thank you. --Eleassar my talk 20:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Slovenia to facilitate wider discussion.Yerpo Eh? 18:54, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

History of Slovenia[edit]


I written article about history of Slovenia in Finnish Wikipedia. I have one little problem: my source book said that Habsburg Monarchy was called Austrian Empire in official documents already in 1711, but all others sources said that change happens 1804 or 1806. Is my book totally wrong or is here something that I just can't dig up? The book is Janko Prunk's Kratka zgodovina Slovenije Finnish translation. Najboljši (talk) 21:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'd love to help you, but history is not my strongest subject. According to the relevant articles in :slwiki which I believe are accurate, the term "Habsburg Monarchy" refers to various and not easily distinguishable ruling positions of members of the Habsburg dynasty. They were more precisely codified by Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor, who in 1804 founded the Austrian Empire as hereditary property of the Habsburgs. This entity coexisted with the Holy Roman Empire (both under his rule) until the latter's dissolution in 1806. The information are referenced by two German-language sources and a Slovene one in the article sl:Habsburška monarhija, so I'd say they're accurate. Perhaps it would help if you checked what exactly does the date 1711 in your source refer to. You could also ask user IP 213 who is the go-to historian in the :slwiki community. Hope this helps. — Yerpo Eh? 08:14, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Manuscript available for preview[edit]

Hello Yerpo-

I wanted to let you know that I have had a book chapter accepted for publication that draws on information from our early 2013 interview. If you would like to see a preprint copy of the chapter, please let me know. Thank you again for your time and assistance in understanding the work of bot operators on Wikipedia and Wikimedia. I hope this finds you well. UOJComm (talk) 18:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the news. I'd love to see the preprint, if it's not too much trouble. You can contact me through the "email this user" function, and I will reply so you get my e-mail address. — Yerpo Eh? 08:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Canonization of Pope John XXIII and Pope John Paul II - (Rome (Vatican City) - St. Peter's Square) - April 27, 2014[edit]

I can understand that you have deleted the date of Easter, but cancel the date of the canonization of the two Popes, not. How can you say that the canonization is "not particularly significant." How it's not significant if the will follow over 2 billion people in the world, this is an event of global concern. On that day in Rome will be about 7 millions of pilgrims and as I said the event will be followed worldwide by 2 billion people. So you can't delete it because it's an event important. --User:Adriano.93 (msg) 16:10 CET, April 17, 2014

You're welcome to start a discussion at Talk:2014. — Yerpo Eh? 14:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

M'el Dowd[edit]

Hi. Can you explain why you reverted my edit. I honestly don't understand. Thanks. Quis separabit? 18:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the consensus is that a person must've had articles in 10 languages before death to be eligible for inclusion in recent year deaths lists. This is to ensure only the most famous people get listed and prevent the section from balooning out of proportion. For example, there are articles on over 6000 people that died in 2012 - including them all would make the list completely useless, so there is an objective criterion in place. M'el Dowd only has the English-language article which indicates that her fame was restricted to the USA, and that is not enough, unfortunately. — Yerpo Eh? 20:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I see. I understand. Thanks for the explanation. Quis separabit? 00:46, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

German exonyms[edit]

Hi Yerpo, my original objection to the removal of the historical names from the Kandrše articles was that the information had simply disappeared. That is, reliably sourced information was deleted rather than moved to a name/etymology/history section (which, of course, didn't exist for those articles yet). I would still object to reliable information simply disappearing. Unfortunately, the discussion here didn't generate broader discussion of the issue. I agree with you that obviously obsolete names should not be included in the article ledes (and I would never include medieval names, for example). The 20th-century German names are harder to judge; some, like Kandrše (Kandersche) are probably indeed fully obsolete. (And, if shown to be so, I can't offer any objection to relegating the name to a name/etymology/history section.) Other exonyms, like the German names of the Gottschee German villages, are still in daily use today among emigrant communities, including the younger generation. For the recently mentioned case of Jesenice (Aßling), the exonym is apparently still in use based on current published sources (road atlases, etc.). I'm not a native of Austria, so I can't personally say whether that particular pair is equally relevant as Trieste (Trst) or Graz (Gradec) in today's speech community. It would be difficult to have a single rule for all 20th-century exonyms because some are still very much alive and some are indeed very dead—and determining degrees of alive and dead would require a considerable amount of original research. My own opinion is that the plurality of place names like Trieste (Trst) or Graz (Gradec)—and even Kandrše (Kandersche)—is eloquent testimony to the historical and ethnic richness of this part of Europe, not information that should be deleted or censored in any way. I just want to say that I agree with you regarding obsolete names, but that it's difficult to quickly judge whether a 20th-century name has, in fact, become obsolete. Doremo (talk) 19:14, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

I do suggest that we keep this discussion in one place. As for the original research question, I believe that it needn't be nearly as complicated, as I proposed before. Simply use the official status and include exonyms in the lede where the area is officially bilingual. Elsewhere, relegate it to later parts (even if it's just a short sentence). It is not censoring, it is just to avoid giving the wrong impression to readers. — Yerpo Eh? 20:17, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I just wanted to send you a personal message on the matter. If more editors contribute to the public discussion, I'll be happy to repeat my thoughts there. (Official status is dissatisfying as a criterion because it relies on the current whims of governments/legislation rather than cultural or sociolinguistic criteria.) Doremo (talk) 03:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Of course I'm not saying it's a perfect criterion, but it's by far the most useful we have. And again, by simply relegating useful information to a part of the article with less of a symbolic charge, we lose nothing, while elegantly avoiding having to worry about any such criteria. — Yerpo Eh? 07:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

May 6 2010[edit]

Hello Yerpo,

I am fairly new to Wikipedia and I am trying to do my best to abide by guidelines, not engage in any vandalistic activity and indeed trying to prevent it myself and to do the right thing.

I apologize sincerely for my breaking of the formatting guidelines and my addition of what you to perceive to be a "LOCAL" event. My intention was not to vandalize the page but merely to add an event to it which I genuinely thought was not "LOCAL" but relevant, notable, interesting and critical in world affairs.

I perfectly understand why I was in breach of the formatting rules and why my references were not welcome but I beg to differ on your assertion that the main event does not meet the inclusion criteria. It clearly states under the section What is notable that "dates significant world leaders or movements ROSE TO or fell from POWER" is notable! Now if you want to take the sorry line of argument and say that the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is not a 'significant' leader and that the outcome of the last national election in the UK has not had a bearing on global affairs then let me inform you of this if you didn't already know. It was the UK Prime Minister's decision to not involve UK troops in Syria militarily which influenced the US President's decision to not involve his country's troops in Syria militarily. Had the outcome of our last national election not been the way it was, UK and US troops would not have withdrawed and be withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan respectively as quickly. The amount of aid per the UK's and US's respective GDP's granted to poor African countries is determined by a consensus made by the leaders of the UK and US. I could give many more reasons as to why the 2010 General Election in the UK and its outcome was significant globally but I do at this point rest my case and plead of you to see reason and add the United Kingdom general election, 2010 to the page 2010 without the incorrect formatting and "unnecessary references".


Nick B 1993 (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry if you got the wrong impression, but nowhere did I label your edit as vandalism or anything remotely like that. As to the rest of your argument, being a global power does not make every political event in a country globally important by extension. Tony Blair did not "fall from power", but was uncontroversially replaced in regular democratic process. The guideline about politics and legislation in Recent Year articles explains this. You're free to start a discussion if you disagree with it, but please do it on the article's talk page, not mine - that way the wider community can form consensus, hardly anyone will see the discussion here. — Yerpo Eh? 15:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

3rr warning[edit]

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Even following policy is not always sufficient to avoid the WP:3RR blocks. Although guidelines prohibit the addition, you've removed in 4 times today. Be careful. In this case, you could only be blocked for 3RR, not for edit warring. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:25, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, got a little too keen yesterday. A simple note would be enough, though, I'm (usually) aware of the 3RR rule, so no need to template me. — Yerpo Eh? 09:29, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Zlatarna Celje (March 29)[edit]

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DYK for Fran Jesenko[edit]

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Bojan Udovič[edit]

Hi. Per WP:BRD, you were bold in your removal, it's been reverted, now you need to discuss this. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

So, Lugnuts, discuss. As I said, categories sort by nationality, and "Yugoslav cyclist" is ambiguous, therefore inappropriate. One not being subcategory of the other is beside the point. In fact, it appears that you are the only one categorizing sportspersons like this. — Yerpo Eh? 19:41, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Not all male cyclists are Olympians, and vice-versa. It's wrong to say they're a subcategory of each other. And I've spotted your tag-team friend/sock account too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
No, they aren't, and I'm not saying they are a subcategory of each other, I'm saying that "Yugoslav cyclist" is an inappropriate category - I'd appreciate if you actually read my response. Those are Slovene, Croatian, Serbian, .... cyclists. Being a competitor for the Yugoslavian team is the only thing they had to do with Yugoslavia. And that's a pretty serious accusation you made there, not WP:AGF at all (plus, completely ridiculous if you bothered with checking the contributions of Eleassar and me). An apology would be in order. — Yerpo Eh? 07:52, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Recent years RFC[edit]

As an editor involved in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Recent years, I wanted to make sure you saw the RFC that I placed there regarding the guidelines. Your comments are of course appreciated. agtx 19:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. — Yerpo Eh? 04:39, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Yugoslav people of World War II[edit]

G'day Yerpo. I don't understand your opposition to the upmerge at CfD. The nation-state of Yugoslavia existed, and people who were citizens of that nation-state were Yugoslav people. Between 1920 or so and 1990, people's passports weren't issued by Slovenia etc, they were issued by Yugoslavia. If you look at how the parent category (Category:People of World War II by nationality is composed, you will see that despite one or two ahistorical subcategories like Category:Azerbaijani people of World War II and Category:Czech people of World War II, "nationality" is almost exclusively used in its nation-state sense, and there are no ethnic groups except Jews, or subsets of nation-states that existed during WWII. I'm keen to understand your opposition in terms of Wikipedia:Categorization of people#By nationality and occupation. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 08:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

I suggest we keep this discussion in one place... — Yerpo Eh? 11:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Sure. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 12:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Yerpo, I have nominated Sovereignty Day (Slovenia) for DYK. See here. I have one request to you. Can you add 4-5 more lines to article? Most of sources of related to that article are in Slovenian language which I don't know. You can surely add 4-5 more lines. Can you find sources how this day was celebrated the before yesterday? It was first celebration recently so there must be some news about it, you can add about how it was celebrated. If you find any English sources then provide those to me I will improve it. I am not finding much English sources. You can also comment on DYK nomination, if it gets approval then article may feature on Main page. It is nice article.--Human3015TALK  13:40, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for your initiative. — Yerpo Eh? 14:06, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

October 2015[edit]

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Klaus Roth[edit]

Do you think this counts? (Note: I found out because I was contacted personally, as a contributor to his Festschrift.) Garald (talk) 14:11, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Garald: sadly no, it has to be a reliable published source (such as a major newspaper or TV network). I also saw a mention on a blog and people are starting to tweet about it, so it looks like it's true - meaning that it's bound to be picked up very soon because he was so famous. I will re-add when that happens. — Yerpo Eh? 14:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Sovereignty Day (Slovenia)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, congrats, finally it is on main page. --Human3015TALK  05:10, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the push, I probably wouldn't have had the motivation alone. — Yerpo Eh? 07:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. The original publisher of the source in wordpress is Slovensko rodoslovno drustvo, confirmed here [2] . I don't think this is a self-published source, just unavailable in English, because of this unavailable in Nature, NIMH, etc. QLao (talk) 20:45, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

QLao I'm afraid that's not true. The page you found only contains a link (as a curiosity), the publisher would be noted on the document and/or store the text on their own webpage. I'm pretty sure this paper has not gone through any kind of real peer-review, even in Slovenia. See, the authors belong to a small and obscure group of people who dabble in genetics in their spare time trying to prove an ideological point of Slovenes being an ancient nation with a deep historical right to our lands (and some others). Darko Vrečko, for example, is a researcher in electrical engineering, while Marjeta Manfreda Vakar is a self-professed believer in "inner spirits" and astrology without a real profession. None have any formal education in genetics or history whatsoever, instead they bash the institutional ("official") science as blinding the people, trying to paint themselves as free-thinking spirits who are able to see the truth. As you can imagine, they are very popular with nationalistic groups, but have no academic rigour or relevance - that's why they haven't been able to publish their "truth" in any kind of real scientific journal for over two decades now. For me, that means we can't cite them if we wish to follow the letter and spirit of Wikipedia's guidelines. — Yerpo Eh? 05:11, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

"Thanks for the answer. Are you sure this is a self-publushed work? There is a published link of word text document uploaded on the website of Rodoslovno Drustvo(Slovenian Geneaological Society) linking to the study. When checking self-published two questions - 1) Who is the author or creator of the work? 2) Who is the publisher of the work? If the answers to these questions are the same, then the work is self-published. If they are different, then the work is not self-published. The author team may be not of experts, but that is often happens everywhere, I know the background of many authors and I even believe that in most cases the authors are not experts, and the same authors, probably not including Vrecko however, are also published in Nature, NIMH, etc. If you insist to ignore that work I may find other sources, they are often of the same authors either way. Do you think this is correctly published?[3]. The organization[4] that published it and the authors seem to be different.QLao (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I know what "self-published" measn and yes, the fist document is self-published. The other one is a tiny bit better, although the publisher in that case (a genealogical society) is not what I would call a reliable source either. The common idea this society is promulgating - Venetic theory - is an amateurish attempt to enshrine Slovenes as the only pure descendants of the peoples that founded the Western civilization and some others (if you read their Proceedings, someone claims that the Venets sailed to America far earlier than even Vikings, bringing advanced agriculture, gender equality, peacefulness and other such romantic notions). Again, zero relevance, and I believe you can safely ignore these authors regardless of where you find them.
Either way, a nation is not a primarily biological category, so any mention of genetics should be very carefully put in context, not to encourage too rash conclusions. There's enough problems with those as it is. — Yerpo Eh? 06:34, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
That theory is inadequate, I didn't know they are promoting that. The haplogroups themselves show clearly different results and predominantly Slavic impact. I didn't wanted to include any of these theories. The only think I wanted to mention from these authors is the frequencies throughout different regions of Slovenia. I will try to find other sources for such things. But if I don't can I just mention that in the western end of Slovenia Haplogroup I2a would prevail, while in the western - R1b and I1?QLao (talk) 06:59, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
If you ask me, it's better to leave this out if there's no good source to back it up. — Yerpo Eh? 19:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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