User talk:Zoney

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Talk:Banknotes of the Republic of Ireland

Hi Zoney, a very recent discussion started on the above article you will be interested in it as I believe you wrote the paragraph that is under discussion. I believe I have correctly interpreted what you wrote but honestly I dont know enough on the matter of Euro notes. Djegan 17:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles)

You might be interested in the above manual of style that was been worked on sometime ago. Might have relevance in the Dingle controversy! Djegan 21:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks like a one-man-job to me, and American too (see spelling of "favor") -- Picapica 12:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Biased Edits

I'm going to have to take you up on that. Editors have accused me of pushing POV before, and often proceeded to remove factual entries. If you believe any of my edits breach NPOV, by all means bring it to my attention on my or the relevant talk page.

Lapsed Pacifist 09:26, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

What's the point? You ignore everyone anyway. Nearside 22:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Derry

Their is a proposal to move Derry to Londonderry/Derry!, see Talk:Derry for voting. Djegan 20:58, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Unionists and Nationalists

Re your edit on Northern Ireland: Northern Ireland is an exceptionally complex place, as you and I both know. It is however wrong to equate votes for Nationalist and Unionist parties as evidence of actual support for the two categories. (For example, Ian Paisley, incredibly, gets a lot of Nationalist votes! John Hume got a lot of Unionist votes.) While Sinn Féin likes to project the idea that there are pretty much the same number of Nationalists and Unionists, with Nationalists overtaking Unionists eventually, that is not the case. Detailed survey data on the baseline definition of Nats and Uns &mdash the issue of the Union versus Unity, shows that the Union has the support of around 60% of NI, including the vast majority of Protestants and 30%+ of Catholics. So equating support for parties (which involves person appeal, policy, geography, etc and not just the 'big' issue) with support for Unionism and Nationalism is simplistic and misleading. Slán FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 00:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Irish Flags

Hello Zoney,

I note that you were the original editor of the following image: File:Flag of provinces (Ireland).png. I have commented on the image page, and the Provinces of Ireland talk page that the Ulster flag was wrong. It would be great if you could fix it using this image: File:Provincial Ulster Flag.gif. Thanks.

On another point I note your edit on the Northern Ireland flag. The "Ulster Banner" is the official name of the flag, as sourced at the bottom of the page.

Regards, Jonto 00:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

• I went ahead and corrected the red hand on the flag, so it's now right. --JW1805 16:32, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Ulster Banner

As said, "Ulster banner" is the flag's official name, as sourced from the Flags of the World site on that page. From experience the term is not used that often - the most common term being "Ulster Flag", so I don't see how removing it is going to make any difference. From the article's title of "Flag of Northern Ireland, so I don't think you can get any clearer than that. I think it is also explained pretty well.

I also think it is a matter of debate as to whether "Ulster" in an article on NI is a "POV" term as you put it (this is actually your POV!!). This is a very complex issue because the word is used in many contexts - cultural, political, geographical, historical, sporting, as an identity, and often mainly because "Ulster" is 2 syllables and "Northern Ireland" is 4 syllables! Depending on your POV and context Ulster has 9 counties, 6 counties, or perhaps most significantly and accurately is a cultural region with no exact boundary. There is a distinct Ulster/Ulster-Scot identity in NI (and also in some areas in the Republic, mainly Donegal where many people have an almost identical accent and a close relationship to those in NI), of which the existence of Northern Ireland plays a crucial role in upholding this identity. Therefore, to supress such information is actually causing offence to many Ulstermen and Ulsterwomen. I think this issue of Ulster identity and the cultural region does not seem to be mentioned on wikipedia, and the Ulster article actually needs some work to bring it up to scratch.

Regards, Jonto 00:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Zoney. I wish to use the provinces image for non commercial use. Do i need to credit you as the author and if so how should i do this? what form of credit words? DA

Irish Railways

Hi Zoney,

Reading your extensive articles on rail in Ireland is getting me interested. Can you recommend a book or two? I'm interested in reading about the history of the building of the network and the politics of its destruction. Seabhcán 11:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. "Johnson's atlas and Gazetteer of the Railways of Ireland" sounds like the one to get - but its very expensive on Amazon! I'll have to keep an eye open in second hand book shops. Cheers. Seabhcán 15:55, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

IRA

You may want to take a glance at Irish Republican Army. A user wants to blur the line between the Old IRA and later IRAs and is annoyed that, as a professional historian, I am trying to point out the fact that post 1922 IRAs did not have the same legitimacy in the public's eyes as the IRA of the Anglo-Irish War. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 21:36, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

thanks re Irish Wikipedians' notice board

Zoney, Thanks for the words of praise on the Cloughjordan article and also for informing me of the "Irish Wikipedians' notice board".

Kenguest 03:53, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Legitimacy of the Republic

That's a bit harsh. Adams said at the '05 Ard Fheis:

"Sinn Féin is accused of recognising the Army Council of the IRA as the legitimate government of this island. That is not the case...I do not believe that the Army Council is the government of Ireland. Such a government will only exist when all the people of this island elect it. Does Sinn Féin accept the institutions of this state as the legitimate institutions of this state? Of course we do. But we are critical of these institutions. We are entitled to be."

Lapsed Pacifist 01:04, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Railways map

Hi there, just a gentle reminder of my query on the above, now archived --Ryano 17:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, might have a stab at it when time allows --Ryano 20:59, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Republic of the Irish mistake

Thanks for pointing that out. I was hoping some linguists would pick that up. Unusual for these times, I learnt my Irish orally in the Rosses so my written Irish grammar is awful. Afn 12:07, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikimedia UK/Wikimania 2006

Hi, this is a circular to Wikipedians in Ireland to draw your attention to Wikimedia UK, where the establishment of a local Wikimedia chapter for the United Kingdom (and possibly for the Republic of Ireland) is being discussed. See the talk page, as well as the mailing list; a meetup will take place to discuss matters in London in September, for anyone who can get there. On another topic, plans are being drawn up for a UK bid for Wikimania 2006, which would be conveniently close to Ireland. On the other hand, Dublin's bid was one of the final three last year - might we bid again? --Kwekubo 19:37, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics

You might be interestd to have a look. Regards --Pgreenfinch 12:45, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Vote to move Lost (2004 television series) to Lost (TV series)

Hi. Just a quick note that we're voting (again) on renaming/moving the LOST article, this time to the shorter Lost (TV series). As you were a participant in the previous vote, please register your support or opposition here: Talk:Lost (2004 television series) Thanks! LeFlyman 05:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi their - some images for deletion

Hi Zoney, I am just mailing you as a matter of formality as their is a number of images that I put up for deletion that are now obsolete. These are images we jointly worked on. Hope alls well, regards. Djegan 20:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:CoWaterfordCity.png, Image:CoLimerickCity.png, Image:CoCorkCity.png, Image:CoGalwayCity.png, Image:CoDublinCity.png

Road signs

The uploader was asked for a source and hadn't provided one. They didn't tag them to say they'd made them themselves. (they didn't provide any information at all). Some websites do have UK road signs - ones connected with passing the driving test - and have licensed them from the UK government. Secretlondon 23:03, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

UL Crest

Regarding the crest controversy I have replyed in detail on my talk page - your should know me better than that, i dont pick things up that fall off the backs of lorrys. Congrads by the way, Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Limerick may interest you. Djegan 23:35, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Carrauntoohill

You left a comment in January that Carrantuohill should be renamed Carrauntoohill since the OSI spell it that way. Well, I've decided to open that can of worms, and put it to the vote. I thought you might want to take part. --Stemonitis 09:10, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

General Humbert

This entire article was lifted from the Irish politics wiki. Do you think that this is permissible?--File Éireann 15:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

List of country names in various languages under attack !!!

Dear Zoney,

Fáilte! The List of country names in various languages, List of European regions with alternative names, List of European cities with alternative names, List of European rivers with alternative names, and others, have come under attack by a certain Mikka, who, having just stumbled into all these lists, having found them of little use to himself, and having repeatedly ridiculed them and their users, has then promptly filed a petition to delete the lists in question.

Please cast your vote to keep these valuable, informative, and indeed fascinating lists at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of country names in various languages.

Thanks! Pasquale 16:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

A user is trying to have the Template:Irish Republic infobox deleted. Your comments would be welcome. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 22:18, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Because...

This project can demonstrate what collaboration through the internet can trully accomplish; and we need your help! - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 00:28, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You've made wonderful contributions to Wikipedia, and its an increasingly useful resource.--File Éireann 17:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Babel

Could you consider adding this template to your userpage? It is very helpful in case translators are needed and such.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:24, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Londis

Only in Britain :)

Londis in Ireland is ADM, Londis in GB is Musgrave. --Kiand 22:44, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Your comments would be welcome at Prime Minister. One user, without even bothering to go through the proper procedures, wants to rename the article Prime minister and keeps moving it to push that version!!! While there is an article for all uppercasing or all lowercasing, half-casing (which is all WP allows, as all lowercasing is not possible in article titles) would produce a semi-literate mess that would make WP a laughing stock. A student who writes the title that way in an essay earns an instant fail because it is seen as such a monumental clanger. With all the attacks WP is under right now, the last thing WP needs is to make it look as though it does not know how to write the title of the office of premier correctly. What next? Lord mayor? United states?

FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Naming conventions for television shows (again)

I saw that you were active in the first vote for naming conventions of television program(mes). Well it has raised it's ugly head again and I would appreciate any comments you have to make about my new proposal for naming television shows. Please leave comments here. Thanks! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 21:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Image:EU_map_names_isles.png

Hiya. I was wondering if in maps Image:EU_map_names_isles.png and Image:EU_blank_no_rivers_territories256.png you could perhaps update/fix them, so that the Republic of Macedonia is colored (and its name written) like an official candidate state. Thank you very much!

If you are not so involved with Wikipedia anymore, or otherwise don't have the time for this, then may I please ask that you email me the original Photoshop/Paintshop/whatever-program-you-used files so that I can perhaps more easily do the change myself? Thanks again and in advance! Aris Katsaris 08:24, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd also like to know which map you based Image:EU_blank_no_rivers_territories256.png on; I'd like to use it as a basis for a map for List of European Union member states, but the aliased borders make it impossible for me to colour states differently, so I'd like to have the original file if possible. Thanks for your help! —Nightstallion (?) 10:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Move discussion at Lost

Hey, Zoney. I know that you're not that active any more, but I noticed that you'd edited just a few days ago so I thought I'd let you know that there's yet another Lost-related move discussion underway at Talk:Lost. This one is about whether Lost should be a disambiguation page (as it is currently) or a redirect to Lost (TV series), with the disambiguation content moved to Lost (disambiguation). Since you'd voted in earlier Lost-related move discussions, I thought you might be interested in this one. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

An WP:RFAR is being opened against Lapsed Pacifist over his POV editwarring. Please add your experiences with him to it. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 18:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Bank Of Ireland

Hi, I noticed that you placed Bank of Ireland in the UK banks template, but last time I checked that bank was based in the Republic of Ireland. ABN Amro for example, is a bank that is active in the USA. Does that make it an American Bank? Billtheking 19:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Save the Game!

Help us track down verifiable sources to bring The Game back! Go to SaveTheGame.org! Bkkbrad 20:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Shock and Awe

Hello Zoney, I don't want to cause any trouble because I'm new here (at least as an editor), so I'd like to talk off the record to a few good contributors about a problem I see on an article that you've edited. Your contributions seem solid, so maybe you can help me. I've been using the Wikipedia definition of "Shock and Awe" for several months because I like how it described the type of warfare that "Shock and Awe" is and also how it gave a link to a definition of "rapid dominance" (of which it claims to be a subset).

In the last couple of days, however, a user called JW1805 edited the article and I think he made the definition much worse.[1] It now says that "Shock and Awe is a military doctrine," whereas is used to say exactly what type of military doctrine it falls into: "Shock and Awe is a method of unconventional warfare." Isn't the old definition more informative? According to the definition of Conventional warfare, I don't think anyone could call it that. So, I think it's safe and informative to say that "Shock and Awe" fits into the definition of unconventional warfare, don't you?

Also JW1805 removed the link to "Rapid dominance," deleted the "Rapid dominance" article and redirected it to "Shock and Awe." Yet the "Shock and Awe" article still says, "Its authors label [shock and awe] a subset of Rapid Dominance." Does that make any sense to you? According to RUSI Journal 141:8-12 Oct '96, "Rapid dominance" is an "intellectual construct" whereas "Shock and awe" is one "method" of implementing that construct. Obviously they are not the same thing. So, why would JW1805 redirect "Rapid dominance" to "Shock and Awe?" Why would he delete the "Rapid dominance" article and the link to it?

I went to JW1805's talk page to speak directly to him, but I read what others have said to him, and it seems to be the same story: if you are only one person complaining, JW1805 considers you a troublemaker and has his friends ban you, but if more than one person gets together and says the same thing, he listens. If you feel the same way as I about his edits to "Shock and Awe" and "Rapid dominance," I'm sure we can work together to get the best definition back in place. Are you up for something like that? --Larnue the dormouse 22:43, 8 April 2006 (UTC)