User talk:Tirgil34

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Talk:Scythian languages - copyvio and verification issues

I've posted to the talk page asking you to explain the source of this material. And in it's present state, there isn't enough information about the sources used within it to verify them, see WP:VERIFY. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 07:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Sourced material are given in the column Source/Comment as literally based works. Thanks.--Tirgil34 (talk) 11:42, 26 January 2012 (CET)

No, that's Harvard notation which is a sort of shorthand that must always be backed by full citations. And the article doesn't use Parenthetical referencing, citation style must be consistent. And it is apparently copyvio so please don't replace it until these issues are settled. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 10:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I agree with you, you are completely right. Sorry for the incorrect form of citation. I've improved the references with the correct way of citation. Please check it and portend me of potential other mistakes I've done. Cheers.--Tirgil34 (talk) 19:11, 26 January 2012 (CET)

Much better, but isn't this copied from somewhere else? I still think there are copyright issues. Dougweller (talk) 18:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No, I really did not copy anything, but how do you come to this supposition? I mean, I really want to be fair and honestly regarding copyright issues. I supplied nearly every passage with a citation. Can you show me much more detailed where or in which passages you have doubts?

P.S.: I need help in creating my own "talk"-page. Can you help me? Would be nice :)--Tirgil34 (talk) 21:40, 26 January 2012 (CET)

Ah, I should have looked at the history of the German article. I think you should still have put something in the edit summary saying it had been copied across. That would have saved me a bit of work and fulfilled our copyright requirements - anything copied from another Wikipedia article or another Wikipedia should make it clear where it comes from.

Do you mean userpage? If so, just look at a few others. What sort of userpage were you thinking of? Dougweller (talk) 21:45, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I will translate you the German texts. You can even use GoogleTranslator to control my translations. But till then it will take some days I think, I hope to finish it at leat at the weekend.

Ouh yes, I mean the userpage. Thank you, I will try it.--Tirgil34 (talk) 11:34, 27 January 2012 (CET)

I think give it up, there is to much disagreement, next time I have to prepare it better.--Tirgil34 (talk) 01:07, 29 January 2012 (CET)

You did the same thing again, at Tengrism. How can it be so hard to identify your sources properly? How many times do you need to be told that it will not be acceptable for you to just paste naked urls into articles and call them "references"?

It is not a problem, as such, that you are interested in covering the recent (1990s) wave of Pan-Turkic ethnic nationalism. Only, you will need to be honest about what you are covering, and be meticulous about the sources you are using, and their relative academic quality. Read WP:RS and WP:DUE. I am myself interested in these topics, and I am not trying to "censor" their presentation, but you need to accept that this is an encyclopedia, not a forum for the expression of ethnic nationalist sentiment, so even if you have the sentiment, you will still need to detach yourself from that as long as you are here and discuss the sentiment as it is reflected in scholarly literature. --dab (𒁳) 09:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

1. Its not the same.

2. These sources are correctly given and you are not in a position to discredit those references:

^ Georg Stadtmüller, Saeculum , Band 1, K. Alber Publishing, 1950, p.302

^ University of Bonn. Department of Linguistics and Cultural Studies of Central Asia, Issue 37, VGH Wissenschaftsverlag GmbH Publishing, 2008, p.107

^ Theodore Brieger, Bernhard Bess, Society for Church History, Journal of Ecclesiastical History, Volume 115, issues 1-3, W. Kohlhammer Publishing, 2004, p.101

^ Jens Wilkens, Wolfgang Voigt, Dieter George, Hartmut-Ortwin Feistel, German Oriental Society, List of Oriental Manuscripts in Germany, Volume 12, Franz Steiner Publishing, 2000, p.480

^ Volker Adam, Jens Peter Loud, Andrew White, Bibliography old Turkish Studies, Otto Harrassowitz Publishing, 2000, p.40

^ Ural-Altaic Yearbooks, Volumes 42-43, O. Harrassowitz Publishing, 1970, p.180

^ Materialia Turcica, Volumes 22-24, Brockmeyer Publishing Studies, 2001, p.127

^ Turfan research: Scripts and languages ​​in pre-Islamic Central Asia, Academy of Sciences of Berlin and Brandenburg, 2011

^ M. S. Asimov, The historical,social and economic setting, Motilal Banarsidass Publ., 1999, p.204

When you are going to discredit those absolutely reliable references, then you are a falsifier. FULL STOP.--Tirgil34 (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2012 (CET)

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Possibly unfree File:Kipchak Flag.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Kipchak Flag.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Stefan2 (talk) 00:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

May I can ask how I can improve the copyright by not deleting the file? --Tirgil34 (talk) 13:22, 10. March 2012 (CET)

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User:Maikolaser

Here you signed one of your edits as User:Maikolaser. Apparently Maikolaser saw nothing wrong with that. What exactly is going on there? This reeks of sockpuppetry, and since the two (or the one?) of you were active in the same content dispute, I cannot see how this might be a legitimate use of alternate accounts. Huon (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, of course its not a good situation, but actually its sockpuppetry in two reverting cases: 1.File:QizilDonors.jpg ; and 2.File:SogdiansNorthernQiStellae550CE.jpg.

Normally, I don't use maikolaser for such sockpuppetries, but regarding Orijentologs (aka 109.165.130.250/217.24.133.219) edits I had no choice.

These are the reasons why: User talk:217.24.133.219, User talk:109.165.234.31

Those IP's had been reported at [10:12, 15 March 2012]

Additionally I saw this amazing finding: Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Orijentolog:[1]

- Tirgil34 (talk) 10:35, 17 March 2012 (CET)

That's not an excuse for your own conduct which is still a violation of WP:SOCK; it was reported at WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34. Huon (talk) 09:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, I am not really interested in manipulating information (with bad aims). - Tirgil34 (talk) 11:07, 17 March 2012 (CET)