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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:27, 16 May 2012 [1].

List of Major League Baseball player–managers

Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My last nomination appears to be set to pass. I only have one question about the presentation of this table: is it best to have each player-manager get one row, or should there be one row per tenure, even if that means some players are listed in multiple rows? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:51, 30 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "to serve as a player-managers" en-dash, not hyphen, per the article title.
    • Fixed
  • Check that throughout the lead.
    • Fixed
  • "The dual role as player-manager " I would read that as "role of player..." not "role as" but I think it's personal taste.
    • Fixed.
  • "among the winningest managers " I cannot begin to say how much I loathe the word "winningest", can we not use regular English with "with the most wins" or more generally "most successful"?
    • Reworded
  • "Today, the player-manager has become rare in baseball. Pete Rose is the most recent player-manager, serving in the dual role from " a touch repetitive, no need to repeat p-m and we already know it's a dual role...
    • Fixed.
  • "Whereas some player-managers, such as Lou Boudreau, were full-time players as player-managers, by the time Rose became player-manager, he was a part-time player" count the repeats... I know what you're saying but can you rephrase.
  • "hit record" I would find a suitable link for "hit" here for the non-baseball audience.
  • "One tough decision " doesn't read particularly encycelopedically.
    • Rephrased
  • Last lead para, p-m repeated too much for my taste.
  • "Cap Anson was a player–manager for thirteen seasons" I count 22?
    • I derp'ed in my maths. It's 23 (1875-1897).
  • "Lou Boudreau won the Most Valuable Player Award while a player–manager in 1948." ref?
    • Ref'd.
  • "Player–Manager" in col heading is "Player–manager".
    • Fixed.
  • "El Tappe served in the College of Coaches while still an active player." ref?
    • Ref'd
  • Can you just check all other factoids in the captions are referenced?

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "In early baseball history, it was not uncommon for players to serve as a player–managers". Remove "a".
  • Recommend linking to bullpen in the third paragraph, as that is a bit of baseball jargon that could use the wikilink.
  • Decapitalize "General Manager" in the fourth paragraph.
  • "the White Sox considered hiring incumbent first baseman Paul Konerko to seve as manager in addition." "seve" → "serve".
  • To expand on TRM's last point, the John Montgomery Ward caption needs a cite.
  • Minor, but ref 6 could use a space between the pp. and numbers, for consistency with the other cites to the Stein book. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Prose comments, from Crisco 1492
  • "shot down" - A little informal. "Rejected"?
  • "offseason" - worth a wikilink?
  • "the White Sox considered hiring incumbent first baseman Paul Konerko to serve as manager in addition" - In addition to...?
  • "The then-Cleveland Bluebirds were renamed the "Naps" in honor of Nap Lajoie" - Should we indicate that he was a player-manager?


The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:27, 16 May 2012 [2].

List of Somerset CCC Twenty20 players

Nominator(s): Harrias talk 16:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another cricket list! This one is based upon the international player lists. It details the players who have played Twenty20 cricket for Somerset County Cricket Club. As usual, all comments and advice is welcome. (Note: I am competing in the WikiCup). Harrias talk 16:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 12:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Somerset have reached the domestic Twenty20 competition final on four occasions: the club won the 2005 Twenty20 Cup, and were runners-up in three consecutive seasons: 2009, 2010 and 2011." - sentence probably needs a ref
  • "Arul Suppiah has the best bowling figures in an innings, having claimed six wickets against Glamorgan in a 2011 match, while only conceding five runs" - not keen on the use of having, perhaps change to he?
  • "Jos Buttler has affected the highest number of stumpings: 9" - the use of affected sounds a little odd to me, is that common terminology in cricket? I have watched a bit (mainly the ashes), can't remember hearing about a wicket-keeper affecting a stumping

NapHit (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 21:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Minor, but the semi-colon before "100 since his debut in 2004" feels like it should be something else: either a comma or colon.
  • Just my preference, perhaps, but I think the "amongst"s are better stylistically as "among"s. There's a couple here.
  • Lead image could use alt text.
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Lead says Tresco scored 1,954 runs but the table says 1,899.
  • "was the highest score" surely "is" the highest?
  • Is there a "Statistics accurate as of..." anywhere?
  • Ref ->Ref(s)

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments, pretty sure all points have been addressed now. Harrias talk 20:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:42, 9 May 2012 [3].

List of Atlanta Thrashers draft picks

Nominator(s): Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 20:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that this meets the criteria and is on par with other NHL FL draft lists. Cheers. Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 20:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Two dab links (Southeast Division, Southern Conference).
Fixed.
  • Loads of blank cells, what's that all about? Should either be zeros or en-dashes where it doesn't apply. If not known then this list is not ready.
Added the dashes. The FL list I looked at before nominating had blanks so I followed suit, which is why there were so many blanks.
  • In the key, not need for so much bold linked text.
Removed the bold from the definition links.
  • "Player stats" -> "Player statistics" after all, this is an encyclopaedia.
Fixed.
I removed the slash in the key table, which is what I think this is referring to. If I have over looked something please let me know.
It was "dash" not "slash", I've made the edit here. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:21, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How absentminded of me, I clearly did not look at the ref titles, thank you for fixing that.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 8 links the NHL, the previous ref that used NHL didn't. And most of the others don't link their publishers. Be consistent.
Removed the link for consistency,

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed the above concerns if I missed something or something is still not correct please let me know. Thanks for the review.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 01:32, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Changes are good. I always appreciate a helping hand. Thanks, again.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 21:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments (edit conflict)
  • "The franchise was founded in 1999 and existed for 12 years before relocating to Winnipeg, Manitoba to become the reincarnation of the Jets in 2011." as someone who lives in Britain, I had no idea that winnipeg used to have a nhl, as this article is about the thrashers, I think you should just mention they were relocated and became the winnipeg jets, adding reincarnation, is about confusing, especially as relocation happens very rarely in British sports.
Makes sense, I have changed.
  • "with the 2010 draft being their twelfth and final daft." typo
Sorry, I'm not sure where the typo is.
The sentence has been changed os there isn't one now. NapHit (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tables need to comply with MOS:DTT, that includes the tables used in the key
gave the key table titles a more specific description.
  • Would also removed the bold links in the tables in the key, bold the abbreviation is fine, but no need to bold the full term
Removed the bold links.
  • No need for the table to be less than full size
Changed to 100%.
  • Table has a lot of empty cells, would use — instead of just leaving them blank
Added the {{sort dash}}
  • Would also indicate that the dash means they didn't play in the league, I assume that's why they are blank
Added a sentence that states a dash indicates they did not play in the NHL
  • The position column should sort by position not alphabetically
Not sure how to have it sort other than alphabetically. none of the position abbreviation overlap in terms of letters though.
Use the sort parameter and have goalkeeper sorting as one and then 2 for next position and so on. The same method has been used in this list. NapHit (talk) 18:19, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would also just use colour in the player column, no need for it to goes across the whole table
Changed to just use color in the player column.
  • don't think ref 7 needs the whole title, bit before the colon will suffice
Shorted up the ref and another long running title.

NapHit (talk) 17:05, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed the above concerns, except where noted, if I have misconstrued the meaning or the changes are not up to snuff please let me know and I will work on the changes ASAP. Thanks for the review.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 15:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looking better, just one thing you need to do, you need to add rowscopes as well colscopes to the table, i've done an example for you, make sure you have the info on separate lines as I've done, otherwise the whole table will be highlighted instead of just the rowscope.
I finished adding the rowscopes and changed the sorting on the positions. Thanks for providing the example it made making the changes much easier Cheers--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 20:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • In the Key, Shootout doesn't need to be capitalized.
Fixed
  • Same goes for the second words of Left Wing and Right Wing.
Fixed
  • Pick #198 in 2002 (Nathan Oystrick) has a blank round column. Either the round should be here, or an en dash if there was no round for whatever reason.
Added
  • Photo caption: "The thrashers selected Evander Kane...". Team name needs capitalization
Fixed
  • Another caption: "Alexander Burmistrov was the Thrashers final first round pick selected 8th overall in 2010." Apostrophe would be helpful at the end of the team name, and a comma would be nice before "selected". Giants2008 (Talk) 22:23, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Added comma and apostrophe. I corrected all of the errors listed above, please let me know if any other issues arise. Thank you for the review. Cheers. --Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 13:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:42, 9 May 2012 [4].

List of New York Yankees owners and executives

Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This list has been structured similarly to List of Philadelphia Phillies owners and executives, which recently passed FL. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "The GM controls player transactions, hiring and firing of the coaching staff, and negotiates with players and agents regarding contracts" - use the same verb form throughout this sentence (Parallelism (grammar)).
  • "George Steinbrenner headed a 12-man group which bought the team." - when did this happen?
  • Use the same date format for retrieval dates throughout the sources.
  • Why is "The Baseball Cube" a reliable source?
  • Alt text for Brian Cashman does not match the picture.
  • Alt text for the Jacob Ruppert plaque picture is just a rewording of the caption
  • Add alt text for the images of Gabe Paul and Lou Piniella.

Jujutacular (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Grammar fixed, Steinbrenner sourced, same date format used. Will fix alt text. "The Baseball Cube" is a reliable baseball statistics site. However, I used those sources when this table used to have statistics, so I'm beginning the process of finding better news sources to replace them. Also, some sources used go to BR Bullpen, which is a wiki and a no-no. I'm in the process of changing those to appropriate sources. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sources have been fixed. I assume we can agree Baseball Reference is a reliable source of data relating to playing and managerial careers. Limited partnership has been wikilinked, alt text fixed. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jujutacular (talk) 17:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not sure why General Manager is a proper noun.
  • "following his behavior " needs explanation.
  • " limited partners," what's a "limited partner"?
  • " as control person of " is that a general manager or something else? I have never heard the phrase "control person"...!
  • Ref -> Ref(s).
  • "commonly referred to as "The Boss"." reference please.
  • "served as field manager and General Manager in 1988." again, any reason why field manager (what is that, by the way?) and General Manager should be capitalised differently?
  • "Gabe Paul was General Manager of the " same thing...
  • Check for WP:DASH violations, like ref 19.
  • Don't SHOUT as you do in the title of ref 10.
  • New York Times or The New York Times... the latter I think, but be consistent.
  • Time Magazine is a work so should be in italics.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:14, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – Always a sad day when I oppose a Yankees-related page, but I don't think the sourcing is up to par, among other issues. Overall this feels a little underdeveloped.
  • "Jacob Ruppert purchased the team in 1915. Larry MacPhail was forced out of the Yankees ownership group following his behavior after the 1947 World Series." First, this is extremely awkward to read as one sentence has nothing to do with the other. Second, Ruppert was only a co-owner, as the list itself indicates; Huston was the other co-owner. Third, for what behavior was MacPhail removed?
  • From ref 6, the quote does not show up as a quote in the New York Times story, and it does not what is presented there, which is "nothing more limited than being a limited partner of Steinbrenner's." That's closer to how I remember the quote being said, from when I've heard it.
  • The lead could say something about the general managers, other than what they do. There have been more of them than owners, yet they get almost no representation in the lead. This is what I'm talking about when I say that I believe this is underdeveloped.
  • In ref 1, the publisher (Baseball America) should be italicized, in addition to the one TRM mentioned.
  • The all caps in ref 10 should be removed, and the hyphens in the title should be converted into a dash.
  • Time for the major concern: source reliability. I also question Baseball Cube, and the Baseball America database accepts user submissions, so I'm not sold on that either. Given that almost half of the total references are to these two sources, it leads me to have serious doubts about the list as a whole. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, hopefully I can prevent you from opposing a Yankee-related page. I just need a little time, but I feel that I can address those concerns, including improving the sources from statistics pages (and pages that accept user submissions, I was unaware that BA works that way). Tuesday is probably the day I'll have time to really go in depth on these comments. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I fixed the McMullen quote with a source, fixed up all the BA and BR Bullpen sources, and altered the lead based on the above linked Phillies list, moving some prose to the owner and GM sections, so this should be good for a re-review. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see supports from four users. Shouldn't this list be promoted? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see two supports and two sets of resolved comments from two of the FL directors. Perhaps engage folks from the baseball project to come over and have a look? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:53, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I interpreted your resolved comments as supports. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Gimmetoo 11:25, 15 May 2012 [5].

2011 IIHF World Championship rosters

Nominator(s): Salavat (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Been awhile since my last nomination, hope anything hasn't drastically changed. Anyway this list follows the same format as the 2010 IIHF World Championship rosters and is basically the same as the 2009, 2008 and 2007 lists all of which are also featured. Salavat (talk) 07:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 11:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Run by the International Ice Hockey Federation..." could probably use a better word than run perhaps organised? or something similar?
  • "Finland won the championship for the second time after defeating Sweden men's national ice hockey team 6–1 in the final." after is redundant, and no need to use men's national hockey team, already established the context just pipe the link to Sweden.
  • We have championship and tournament used in close proximity be consistent use one term.
  • You have 16 and fifteen, I would be consistent in using one method, as you have 16 in digits in the first sentence I would continue this throughout the article.
    • Changed the fifteen and twenty to 15 and 20. Salavat (talk)
  • Could provide a link to positions on first usage in lead
  • Tables do not meet the requirements of MOS:DTT, you need to add col and rowscopes to the tables.
You need to add rowscopes, the primary reason for using is for people using screen readers. Without them they are unable to read the table correctly. I would add them to the players rows. NapHit (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
rowscopes added. Salavat (talk) 12:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:35, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

Question – Is there a reason the save percentage is in the XX.XX format as opposed to the .XXX format?

Okay, wasn't sure if there was something I was missing. Thanks.--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 17:17, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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