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Criteria for inclusion

If you wish to add an entry to the list on this article please make sure they meet the following criteria which have been agreed by editors:

The names listed must be honorific and not just nicknames (e.g. "Queen of Soul" and not just "Pistol Pete") and must be a common alias of the artist (being widely regarded as the Father of a sub-genre is not the same as routinely being called, the Father of...)
Only examples should be used where the title is used in the lede of the artist article.
A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications. Self-published sources and the products of record companies are not considered reliable.

If you wish to discuss these criteria, please do so at the foot of this page.--Sabrebd (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article conventions

Because the presence of some individuals or groups has been disputed in the past, the convention in this article is that, rather than just a citation, a quotation should be given in the footnote, or a direct link to a webpage, so that entries can be seen to be valid by other editors. Because this is English Wikipedia sources need to be in English, or a translation provided in the citations. Please note that where web page links are given and they go dead, it is likely the entry will eventually be deleted.--SabreBD (talk) 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on pictured artists

There was a discussion on this a while back but I think it needs revisiting. There was consensus that there needs to be a worldview, meaning using popular artists from around the world and not disproportionately representing the US or the UK. Additionally, all genres should be given equal weight. So I was thinking of a list of making a list of criteria that everyone else can comment on.

Genre

A list of essential genres to represent

Pop music - a concern question here is do we include sub genres from other countries (k-pop, j-pop etc) or not.
Rhythm and blues
Rock music
Hip hop
Rap music
Country music
Jazz
Classical music

There is also a concern for article structure. Before we listed the nicknames by gender and group. As of now its listed by surname and group. We could also consider remaking the article divided by genre instead.

Historical acts

Historical acts should be featured over recent acts. The article introduction cover the long history of assigning honorifics to artists, so the earliest known nicknames should be addressed and emphasized over the numerous modern artist that have adopted the trend.

Number of artists

I thought at first that only one artist from each genre would be sufficient, but 2 could also be reasonable. A second thought is that if anyone would be willing to make a composite picture with multiple artists, it could show how one nickname can be assigned to a multitude of artists (ex: King of Rock and Roll, Queen of Pop). A composite picture could also resolve any arguments of "fairness" where nicknames with a long history of multiple recipients are called into question. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 23:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just to endorse pretty much all the above, and especially running over a few of these issues. I think for now one per genre is good enough and think that historic acts are to be preferred. There are probably irresolvable issues about more recent acts, like the fact that if any female has two consecutive singles they will be called the "new queen of pop", but it doesn't make them a Madonna or Janet J. and we would be right to favour long established acts. I should also point out that the pictures display differently on different displays and on narrow one the current list does fill the page, so there may be little opportunity for more additions.--SabreBD (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think of the composite photo idea? An example like this is what I was driving at. For instance one picture caption could read The nickname "King of Rock and Roll" as been associated with Chuck Berry, Fat Domino, Alan Freed, Bill Haley, Little Richard, and most prominently, Elvis Presley. Each has an exceptional source and the intro does a good job of indication why multiple acts are associated with one nickname. Similarly, we could do a composite with Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion and Mariah Carey who are long term established acts with exceptional sources who have been called the Queen of Pop. I'm bad at photo editing so we'd still have to find someone to do it. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the composite pictures are a very good idea. I am a bit busy for the next few days, but if no one else volunteers I will give it a go, perhaps at the weekend.--SabreBD (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two other considerations based on sources would be "King of Country" and "Queen of Country". The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 06:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move to list

Someone brought this up ages ago and I just now dawned on me again. This is more accurately a list article correct? Meaning it should be moved back to List of honorific nicknames in popular music? The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 21:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It probably is a good idea. What do we do with the introduction? Its probably a bit long for a list article. We could keep it here as an article and move the list to List of Honorific nicknames in popular music.--SabreBD (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think its long at all. I checked Wikipedia:Featured lists and a few like List of castles in Greater Manchester and List of National Treasures of Japan (archaeological materials) have very detialed introductions. I'm going to go forward with the move. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

...Or I would, I think this page has a protection level that won't allow me to do so. But there is not reason this article does't qualify as a list. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 01:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New entry for page

Dong Bang Shin Ki: Kings of Kpop

Babyshinki (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TVXQ ? Why not. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rihanna

Speaking of new entries, shouldn't Rihanna have her own for Barbadian Beauty and Princess of Pop? I've seen her called one of these two many times. 75.91.240.96 (talk) 20:02, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]